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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:navy">Dear Karl,</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy">I was greatly interested to see your response to what was clearly a
deeply felt need for a visual presentation of your ideas. I have felt the same
need for a graphical representation of the logical evolution of real processes
that I call the logic in reality. At this point, the differences in our results
can be attributed to the different <i><span style="font-style:italic">nature</span></i>
of the elements (or proto-elements) we are trying to represent, and not only
their <i><span style="font-style:italic">position. </span></i>In other words, I
am primarily concerned with the force<i><span style="font-style:italic"> </span></i>field
and its entities as they exist, exactly as you say, outside the epistemic
objects (epistemons in the term of Barham) and the numbers which represent <i><span style="font-style:italic">them. </span></i>The join of these two approaches, at
the real and conceptual interface of the quantum and macroscopic worlds in the
dualities of electromagnetism, seems almost obvious.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><font size="2" color="navy" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy;font-style:italic"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy">I hope you will consider this a reason to look at what I have
written on this subject, which I will be glad to send to you on request.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy">Best wishes,</span></font></p>
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color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy">Joseph<i><span style="font-style:italic"> </span></i></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
Fis [mailto:<personname w:st="on">fis</personname>-bounces@listas.unizar.es]]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Karl Javorszky<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> mercredi, 13 janvier 2021
08:26<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Marcus Abundis<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <personname w:st="on">fis</personname><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fis] Energy and
Entropy</span></font><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Hi Marcus, Stan, colleagues,</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Thanks for clarification on the literature.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Taking a deep breath and courage, let me suggest to this society of
incredulous believers an explanation which connects entropy conceptually to
space axes, natural numbers and electromagnetism. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">The model one can play with at <a href="http://www.tautomat.com" target="_blank">www.tautomat.com</a> shows 2 spaces which have (2*3) nice
rectangular axes and furthermore 2 planes (2*2 axes).</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">The left, A & right, B spaces are created / tensored by axes used
for being reordered to and from: A: (a+b,a), (b-2a,a), (a-2b,b-2a); B:
(a+b,b),(b-2a,a-2b), (a-2b,a), which yield axes a+b, b-2a, a-2b, in their
aggregated form, C. The two transcending planes are created by
rectangular axes: E: (ab),(b-a,b-2a) and M: (a,a-2b),(b-a,a).</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">The transcending planes E and M transcend both the two fundamental
rectangular spaces A and B, and the unified and aggregated space C. The
coordinates planes E, M assign to the elements are not in a system with
rectangular axes, and the places the planes E, M assign are not unique,
but rather along a level/surface/sheath.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">The influence the planes E, M exert on the assembly cause such
proto-elements which are not anchored in a spatial grid to leave the 3D space
created by the axes, and appear as a force field outside of the objects. The
non-magnetic, non-electric interference of the two transcending planes can well
be interpreted as causing a distribution of constituents of the assembly into
the form of an evenly distributed multitude. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">These words here are definitely not the ultimate and exact formulation
of the suspicion. The suspicion is that entropy shows the effect of an
influence, which influence is created by the assignment of places for elements,
just like in the case of gravitation. While the gravitation, and generally the
main rectangular axes, modify the spatial coordinates of objects, the
electromagnetic planes modify the spatial coordinates of such particles of
objects, which are not sufficiently solidly intertwined with the particles that
are subject to spatial referencing.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Hope that the concept gets across and please help by evolving better
formulations for the hypothesis.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Karl</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Marcus Abundis <<a href="mailto:55mrcs@gmail.com" target="_blank">55mrcs@gmail.com</a>>
schrieb am Mi., 13. Jn. 2021, 06:22:</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Karl it was no rhetorical embellishment . . . </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">If you go to Wikipedia and search 'energy' you will find 12 forms
listed there. At other times I have seen as many as 16 listed, this listing
changes from time to time. If you go to Scholarpedia and search energy, you
will find NO entries. Scholarpedia is more rigorous in reviewing and
admitting material. If you go to the US Energy Information Agency (<a href="https://protection.puc.rediris.es/fmlurlsvc/?fewReq=:B:JVE3PDg9Nyt7MD8jPStkaTA9PDc9PCt+ZGpjbHl4f2gwOj9vPTw7aDhvPm5sPmhrbm48P248b2xuOGs5OTVpbz86OTtraDpoPCt5MDw7PD04Pj87Oj4rfGRpMDw9SUxPNWd7PT80OT86IDw9SUxPNWd1PT80OT86K39ufXkwa2R+TWFkfnlsfiN4Y2R3bH8jaH4rbjA0PStlaWEwPQ==&url=http%3a%2f%2faie.gov" target="_blank">aie.gov</a>) you will see 9 forms listed.
Most sites make vague references to 'many forms of energy exist, some of
which are . . . ' Still, this means there is no firm scientific
framing for 'energy'. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Stan I am sorry if my notes still seem unclear to you. I
was attempting a more civil tone in my replies, something better than your
'Your statement concerning "typify" is nonsense.' Perhaps this
weakened my point. For example, if you go to Scholarpedia and search entropy
you will find seven types of entropy listed entropy is 'typified' in
(at least) seven different ways. Your note 'Entropy applies everywhere, and
always in the same way.', even as something 'formal only' is actually nonsense,
failing to recognize the current state of affairs.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Further, entropy is always 'driven' by something, making force-energy a
directly related concept. Thus, *just in physics* (ignoring other areas of
research) with the uncertain nature of force-energy entropy is equally
uncertain. Your assertion on physics equally failed to recognize the current
state of affairs in physics.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">That said, I still hope to see more notes from our featured New Year's
speaker . . . </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Marcus</span></font></p>
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