<html><body><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Karl it was no rhetorical embellishment . . . <div>If you go to Wikipedia and search 'energy' you will find 12 forms listed there. At other times I have seen as many as 16 listed, this listing changes from time to time. If you go to Scholarpedia and search energy, you will find NO entries. Scholarpedia is more rigorous in reviewing and admitting material. If you go to the US Energy Information Agency (<a href="https://protection.puc.rediris.es/fmlurlsvc/?fewReq=:B:JVc9NjI3PSFxOjUpNyFuYzo3Nj03NiF0bmBpZnNydWI6PzA0ND4+YmJlMzMxMzYwNj5lM2Q0MzQzMDMwNDY2N2M/P2RmMT9lNSFzOjYxNjcyNjIzNTAhdm5jOjY3QzJKYGRdNzczMDIzKjY3QzJKYGRlNzczMDIzIXVkd3M6YW50R2tudHNmdClyaW59ZnUpYnQhZDo+NyFvY2s6Nw==&url=http%3a%2f%2faie.gov">aie.gov</a>) you will see 9 forms listed. Most sites make vague references to 'many forms of energy exist, some of which are . . . ' Still, this means there is no firm scientific framing for 'energy'. </div><div><br></div><div>Stan I am sorry if my notes still seem unclear to you. I was attempting a more civil tone in my replies, something better than your 'Your statement concerning "typify" is nonsense.' Perhaps this weakened my point. For example, if you go to Scholarpedia and search entropy you will find seven types of entropy listed entropy is 'typified' in (at least) seven different ways. Your note 'Entropy applies everywhere, and always in the same way.', even as something 'formal only' is actually nonsense, failing to recognize the current state of affairs.</div><div><br></div><div>Further, entropy is always 'driven' by something, making force-energy a directly related concept. Thus, *just in physics* (ignoring other areas of research) with the uncertain nature of force-energy entropy is equally uncertain. Your assertion on physics equally failed to recognize the current state of affairs in physics.</div><div><br></div><div>That said, I still hope to see more notes from our featured New Year's speaker . . . </div><div><br></div><div>Marcus</div></div></div></div></div></body></html>