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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
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color:navy'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>This note, short as it is, contains three major errors of thought
which should not be passed over in silence. They are themselves in my opinion
the result of the oversimplification of the notion of complexity, as in the
work of Morin. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:53.25pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:
l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font size=3 color=navy
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face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>It ignores the local-global distinction. A process may be becoming
locally more complex and globally less so. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:53.25pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:
l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font size=3 color=navy
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face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>The expression constantly “steps up” is misleading. Emergent
simplicity or simplexity is a key alternative for some natural processes, even
in popular culture.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font size=3 color=navy
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face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>The expression “constantly” steps up is misleading. Complex
natural processes are not univocal or unidirectional; they may stop, reverse
direction, and start again in the same or another one. Are such processes to be
given less scientific, ontological value? New systems concepts may be useful
here.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>I “will not bother to comment” on expressions like the
entropy-obsession of science. Part of the problem is the absence of an accepted
valid basis for grounding emergent ordered diversity at the molecular level,
the Pauli Exclusion Principle. This Principle operates conceptually in the
direction opposite to the 2<sup>nd</sup> Law. My reference to it has appeared recently
in the list, but the only comment on it so far was by this year’s
moderator to the effect that he does not understand its relevance. Information
is embedded in all emergent processes and study of it might be facilitated by
seeing it – information – also as an emergent process, following
the complex dynamics I have referred to as the Principle of Dynamic Opposition.
For reference, this states no more (but also no less) than that complex processes
move sinusoidally from primarily potential to primarily actual states, and <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>vice versa</span></i> without going to the ideal,
Kolmogorovian limits of 0 and 1.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Looking ahead, I see a major role for information in new
descriptions of the operation of concepts like order, probability and causality.
Perhaps they can be discussed in the parallel venues, with their own dynamics
relative to this one, of the forthcoming IS4SI Conference and its related sub-Conferences.
<i><span style='font-style:italic'>e.g.</span></i> of Wu Kun on philosophy and
Mark Burgin on foundational principles. This itself is an emergent process. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Thank you and best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Joseph <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Fis [mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Howard Bloom<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> samedi, 9 janvier 2021 03:20<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</st1:PersonName>;
fis@listas.unizar.es<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fis] Fwd: Entropy,
the Second Law, and Life</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>good contribution,
pedro.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>freeing science from
its entropy-obsession would be a major contribution. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>this cosmos constantly
steps UP a stairway of complexity, not down. and calling this negentropy
is just another way to imprison minds in entropy's mistakes. and in
entropy's cult.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>with warmth and
oomph--howard</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>__________________________</span></font><font
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style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Howard Bloom</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Howardbloom.net</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>trailer for BRIC-TV's
66-minute film,The Grand Unified Theory of Howard Bloom,
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Best Picture, Science
Design Film Festival. Best Documentary Feature, Not Film Festival, Italy. Now
available on Apple TV, Amazon, Google Play, Microsoft, Vimeo, Vudu, and
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Author of: The Lucifer
Principle: A Scientific Expedition Into the Forces of History
("mesmerizing"-The Washington Post), </span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Global Brain: The
Evolution of Mass Mind From The Big Bang to the 21st Century ("reassuring
and sobering"-The New Yorker),</span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>The Genius of the
Beast: A Radical Re-Vision of Capitalism ("A tremendously enjoyable
book." James Fallows, National Correspondent, The Atlantic), </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>The God Problem: How A
Godless Cosmos Creates ("Bloom's argument will rock your world."
Barbara Ehrenreich),</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>How I Accidentally
Started the Sixties (“Wow! Whew! Wild! Wonderful!” Timothy Leary),</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>The Mohammed Code
(“A terrifying book…the best book I’ve read on Islam.”
David Swindle, PJ Media), and</span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Einstein, Michael
Jackson & Me: a Search for Soul in the Power Pits of Rock & Roll
("Amazing. The writing is revelatory." Freddy DeMann, manager of
Michael Jackson and Madonna), Best Book of 2020, New York Weekly Times.</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>A Quartz Magazine Pro</span></font><font
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color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Former Visiting Scholar,
Graduate Psychology Department, New York University, Former Core Faculty
Member, The Graduate Institute; Current Kepler Space Institute Senior Scholar.</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Founder: International
Paleopsychology Project. Founder, Space Development Steering Committee.
Member Of Board Of Governors, National Space Society. Founding Board Member:
Epic of Evolution Society. Founding Board Member, The Darwin Project.</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: Pedro C. Marijuan <<st1:PersonName w:st="on">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</st1:PersonName>><br>
To: fis@listas.unizar.es<br>
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2021 8:39 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fis] Fwd: Entropy, the Second Law, and Life<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Dear Arieh & FISers,<br>
<br>
My appreciation for your elegant and lively contribution. Reading about <br>
labeling the food on their "negentropy content" or advising on
low <br>
entropy food (icy water!) was a most humorous way to criticize all the <br>
nonsense and "mystical mystery tours" around entropy. Particularly, <br>
Atkins (& Dawkins) quasi-religious views have always been unswallowable <br>
for me. Anyhow, two further aspects I would like to hear from you.<br>
<br>
First, to put it most briefly, what basic, visual image would you convey <br>
for an intuitive understanding of entropy beyond the technicality of <br>
SMI? Uncertainty, chaos, disorder, diffusion, dispersal... some many <br>
terms around! I could see years ago some heated exchanges you had with <br>
Frank Lambert, the champion of entropy as energy dispersal. There is <br>
also a longish comment on how Steven Pinker approaches <br>
entropy-information-evolution-cognition as the four fundamental concepts <br>
in our scientific understanding of the world. He is wrong (IMO) in all <br>
of them! Although it he is an extraordinary social psychologist the <br>
basic sci. background he proposes is tainted. If we could give a more <br>
sound "tetrad" even with those same concepts, it would be a great <br>
outcome. Clarifying entropy in all aspects we could advance would a <br>
terrific step.<br>
<br>
And second (maybe to be discussed later on) do you accept
"dimensions" <br>
for entropy? The units of jules/degreeK aren't they derived from having <br>
entered the Boltzmann's constant? Why do we need at all separate units <br>
for temperature and energy?<br>
<br>
Thanks for all the exchanges so far!<br>
<br>
Best--Pedro<br>
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