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<DIV><FONT size=4>Dear Joseph, Loet, Lou, <SPAN lang=EN-US
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm">Xueshan, Terry, Bruno, Karl, and FIS
colleagues,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm">Thank you for your
comments!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-US style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm">I
have teaching probabilities for many years. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm">It is nice theory with good
practical impact.<BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm">But our goal is to create another
theory – about information.<BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm">Probabilities may be used in some
cases but not as main tool.<BR>For instance, please tell me:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm">- the probability of my name
or of the sentence ”My name is Krassimir.”<BR>- the probability of the Sun or
Black hole,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm">etc.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm">...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm">The “model” is the triple (S, x, y)
where “S” (subject or agent) postulate that “x” represents ”y”.<BR>Models may be
mental (in the consciousness – mathematical models, text descriptions, etc.) or
material (in reality as material objects - airplane model, map,
etc.).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm">Probabilities are kind of mental
models and may represent only a small part of real or mental phenomena
connected to the prognostic activities . </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm">Because if this, it is not possible
to use them for creating a theory about information.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm">We need more general concept(s) to
achieve such goal.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm">Friendly
greetings</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm">Krassimir</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN lang=EN-US
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm">PS: A little question to Karl:
“a+b=c” seems to me to be similar to idea of “emergent features” of <FONT
face=Arial><FONT color=#5f6368><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>William Ross
Ashby</FONT> </FONT></FONT>or to the </SPAN><SPAN id=productTitle
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Systems Theory of <FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>Ludwig von Bertalanffy, Isn’t
it?</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV><SPAN lang=EN-US
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=loukau@gmail.com
href="mailto:loukau@gmail.com">Louis Kauffman</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 14, 2020 9:58 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=joe.brenner@bluewin.ch
href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch">Joseph Brenner</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=fis@listas.unizar.es
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis</A> ; <A title=yxs@pku.edu.cn
href="mailto:yxs@pku.edu.cn">yxs@pku.edu.cn</A> ; <A title=markov@foibg.com
href="mailto:markov@foibg.com">markov@foibg.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fis] black hole and information. Probabilities in
non-quantum and quantum systems</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Dear Joseph and Krassimir,</DIV>The question has been raised whether
probabilities are “physical" or “logical”.
<DIV>In order to speak about this consider first a classical probability
situation.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have a die and assert that the probability of getting a three on the
upward face is 1/6 given that it is a fair die.</DIV>
<DIV>Here we have the logic of probability: There are six faces to the die. By
definition a die is fair if all the faces are equally likely. Therefore the
mathematical probability of any given face is 1/6.</DIV>
<DIV>This is logical probability. We can write whole books about it without
every doing an experiment and without ever playing craps.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>But this is practical mathematics since a real die when tossed does have
percentages for its faces and if I run a casino I will make sure that these
percentages (obtained by experiment) are approximating </DIV>
<DIV>fair dice. Then I can design the rules of the games to go in my favor. But
there is no such thing as “physical probability”. There is only the results of
experiments showing the frequencies of the outcomes. Dice are very simple
systems and there is no reason to suppose that the simple mathematical models do
not apply. They do apply and I can get rich as a casino owner, even without
being a crook.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This classical mathematical or logical probablity proceeds by counting the
possibilities and working out the probabilities from these counts.</DIV>
<DIV>It relates to the physical in situations where we believe that these counts
apply to possibilities in the actual physical system. Thus a tossed die will
show one of its six faces.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In the quantum situation we do not count possibilities in the same way. The
model predicts frequencies of events but these frequencies are NOT probabilities
in the above sense of counting.</DIV>
<DIV>They are predicted frequencies and under certain circumstances the
frequencies work out to match the mathematics or logical part. Indeed God does
not play dice. When God plays by quantum rules, we can only guess or use a
frequency table derived from the quantum laws to predict the outcome, but we do
not know how God does it! The quantum theory tells us that if some things are
certain then other (complementary) things are correspondingly uncertain. This
follows from the mathematical model and it is born out in our observations. Some
properties of quantum objects such as momentum and position are not intrinsic
properties of the objects. They depend upon the observation. </DIV>
<DIV>In a certain sense everything we “know” depends upon our observation.
</DIV>
<DIV>Without observation there is no-thing. </DIV>
<DIV>And I do mean no-thing </DIV>
<DIV>I do not mean nothing.</DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV>Lou Kauffman</DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>On Oct 13, 2020, at 3:28 AM, Joseph Brenner <<A
href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</A>>
wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV
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color=navy size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; COLOR: navy">Dear
All,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
color=navy size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; COLOR: navy">I
forward this message of Krassimir to maintain the momentum of the discussion,
although I disagree with it. It would be correct ONLY if probabilities had to
be defined in epistemic terms (statistical or logical, my question
stands).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
color=navy size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; COLOR: navy"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
color=navy size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; COLOR: navy">In my
view, probabilities are closely related to potentialities (trends,
propensities) which are real properties of real physical processes.
Information is embedded in such potentialities and probabilities, and it
changes as they change.<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
color=navy size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; COLOR: navy"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
color=navy size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; COLOR: navy">OF
COURSE humans are required, but they are also required to say that gravity is
gravity, that anything physical is physical. We thus perceive and interpret
change as ‘time’.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
color=navy size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; COLOR: navy"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
color=navy size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; COLOR: navy">OF
COURSE, Shannon’s probability and information approaches are incomplete, but
as Loet continues to show, they are capable of being extended, and there are
also other ways to do this, for example by going to an ontological (real,
energetic) model.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
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color=navy size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; COLOR: navy"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
color=navy size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; COLOR: navy">The
question of whether quantum theory is useful for defining information is of a
different kind, since it refers to a non-thermodynamic domain, and information
for me refers ONLY to thermodynamic processes. This is why I asked Louis my
question in the way I did.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
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color=navy size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; COLOR: navy"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
color=navy size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; COLOR: navy">I
would be very grateful for any comments that suggest that my point of view
might be even partially correct.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
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color=navy size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
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<DIV
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color=navy size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; COLOR: navy">Thank
you and best wishes,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
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color=navy size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
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The idea that information is lost in cosmological black holes is consistent
with the above. Humans cannot approach a black hole (“to see what it’s like”)
any more than they can the nucleus of an atom.
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><st1:personname w:st="on">Krassimir
Markov</st1:personname><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[<A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="mailto:markov@foibg.com">mailto:markov@foibg.com</A>]<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>lundi, 12 octobre 2020
20:15<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Joseph Brenner; 'Louis
Kauffman'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="mailto:yxs@pku.edu.cn">yxs@pku.edu.cn</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [Fis] black hole and information.
Probabilities</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Dear
Joseph,</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">I
have just answered to Louis.</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Below I duplicate the
answer.</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Dear
Louis,<BR>The main problem is that probability is created by humans and only
humans can compute probabilities!<BR>There are no probabilities in the
reality.<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">It
is a human model for evaluation of what may happen. <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Because of this, both
Probability theory and Quantum Theory are not good for defining
information.</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Of
course, the probability paradigm is originated by Shannon and its theory for
signals.</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">But
during the time, it was seen that it is a dead end.</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Probabilities are not physical
and could not be assumed as physical information.<BR>They are mental
models!</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Friendly
greetings</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Krassimir</SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><BR>PS: I am writing “off
line” because of FIS limits.</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(245,245,245)"><B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=joe.brenner@bluewin.ch
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch">Joseph
Brenner</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(245,245,245)"><B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Monday, October 12, 2020 7:55
PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(245,245,245)"><B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=loukau@gmail.com
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="mailto:loukau@gmail.com">'Louis Kauffman'</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>;<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=markov@foibg.com
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="mailto:markov@foibg.com">'Krassimir
Markov'</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(245,245,245)"><B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=fis@listas.unizar.es
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">'FIS'</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>;<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=yxs@pku.edu.cn
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="mailto:yxs@pku.edu.cn">yxs@pku.edu.cn</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(245,245,245)"><B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>RE: [Fis] black hole and information.
Probabilities<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
color=navy size=2 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; COLOR: navy">Dear
Lou,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
color=navy size=2 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; COLOR: navy">I
agree with your definition of physical information as capturing a major aspect
of it. To help in understanding, though, could you please indicate if the
probabilities in your physical states are statistical or logical? The same
question applies to quantum theory: is the generalized probability here
statistical or logical? Krassimir’s note clearly refers to<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">non</SPAN></I>-quantum interactions. Will it turn
out that the probabilities in the macroscopic and quantum worlds will be of
different types?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
color=navy size=2 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; COLOR: navy">An
eager student,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
color=navy size=2 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; COLOR: navy">Joseph<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: navy"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"
align=center><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<HR tabIndex=-1 align=center SIZE=2 width="100%">
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Fis [<A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es">mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</A>]<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN></B>Louis
Kauffman<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>lundi, 12 octobre 2020
18:21<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><st1:personname
w:st="on"><st1:personname w:st="on">Krassimir
Markov</st1:personname></st1:personname><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>FIS;<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="mailto:yxs@pku.edu.cn">yxs@pku.edu.cn</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [Fis] black hole and
information</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dear
Krassimir,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">A physical state
is represented by a wave function which can be construed as a vector |z>=
(z1,z2,…) in an infinite dimensional space such that ||z||^2 =
Sum_{i}(|z_i|^2) converges to 1.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Measuring z
produces one of the basis vectors |e_i> = (0,0,…,1,0,0,0…) (where 1 is in
the ith place) with probability |z_{i}|^2. (More generally, one has a Hilbert
space and and integral rather than a
summation.)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In a specific
application the basis vectors correspond to actual possibilities of
measurement by some devices (e.g. the positions when an electron could hit a
screen).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The information in
|z> is this probability distribution coupled with the interpretations of
the measurements. Under physical processes that are not measurements “the
information is<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">preserved” in the
sense that ||z||^2 is left unchanged by those (unitary) processes. Quantum
Theory is a generalized probability theory in this
sense.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In my
understanding, the above is what is meant by “physical
information”.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Best,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Lou
Kauffman<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt" type="cite">
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Oct 11, 2020,
at 9:05 PM,<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><st1:personname
w:st="on"><st1:personname w:st="on">Krassimir
Markov</st1:personname></st1:personname><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><<A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="mailto:markov@foibg.com">markov@foibg.com</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Dear Xueshan,<BR>Thank you
for your remarks.<BR> </SPAN></FONT><FONT size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">What is methodical error in
physics is that the different physical interactions like gravitation are
assumed as information.<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>Can one describe what kind of
information "Comet A can transmits to comet B".<SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>Only physical, chemical or
mechanical interactions may exists in the not living
nature.</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Biological,
psychological and sociological interactions are specific only for living
creatures.</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">"<I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Does the moon exist when no one sees
it?</SPAN></I>"<SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Yes, it exists, but it
doesn't know anything about itself as well as it is not recognized as an
object by other objects.<BR>The same is valid for all objects in the
nature.</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Finally, I could not
understand what means“the black hole information is physical”.<BR>Please,
can you describe the “physical information”.<BR>Is it the same as the
reflection i.e. some structural or functional changes after physical,<SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>chemical or mechanical
interactions?</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Courier New"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Friendly
greetings</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Krassimir</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="Courier New"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Courier New"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(245,245,245)"><B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"><A
title=yxs@pku.edu.cn style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="mailto:yxs@pku.edu.cn"><FONT color=#954f72><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(149,79,114)">Xueshan
Yan</SPAN></FONT></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(245,245,245)"><B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma">Monday, October 12, 2020 4:13
AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(245,245,245)"><B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"><A
title=fis@listas.unizar.es style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"><FONT color=#954f72><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(149,79,114)">FIS</SPAN></FONT></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(245,245,245)"><B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma">Re:
[Fis] black hole and
information<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Courier New"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Dear
Krassimir,<u1:p></u1:p></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 6pt 0cm 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 17pt; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Courier New"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Very sorry for my late
reply.<u1:p></u1:p></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 12pt 0cm 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 17pt; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Courier New"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">1. Yes, your statement
"<I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">The Nobel Prize is given to<SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">researchers</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>but not to the Black
hole.</SPAN></I>" is more precise than my "<I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">This year's Nobel Prize in physics goes to black
hole<SPAN class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">research</SPAN></B></SPAN></I>".<u1:p></u1:p></SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 12pt 0cm 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 17pt; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Courier New"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">2. "<I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Without observer there is no black hole entropy,
there is no information</SPAN></I>." Inadvertently, you have raised a
quantum mechanical question of information. If we can remember, Einstein and
Bohr have a long debate that has an essential impact on quantum mechanics.
That is "<I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Does the moon exist when no one
sees it?</SPAN></I>" If there isn’t any human observer, does "black hole
entropy or information" exist? I don't know.<u1:p></u1:p></SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 12pt 0cm 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 17pt; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Courier New"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">3. "Comet A can
transmits<SPAN class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">information</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>to comet B", this<SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">information</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>about the behavior of the two
comets greatly enriches our understanding of astrophysics. Here, the first
information is physical and the second is human. Therefore, in my immature
view, your "<I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Consciousness is needed to
reflect reality and to assume some reflections as information</SPAN></I>."
is a human informatics problem, while the black hole information is
physical.<u1:p></u1:p></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 12pt 0cm 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 17pt; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Courier New"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Karl's prediction is a
great encouragement to us and will come true soon, let's be ready to accept
the prize next year or later.<u1:p></u1:p></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2
face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 12pt 0cm 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 17pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Courier New"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Best
wishes,<u1:p></u1:p></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=3 face="Courier New"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Xueshan<u1:p></u1:p></SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><u1:p></u1:p> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space><FONT size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es"><FONT color=#954f72><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(149,79,114)">fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</SPAN></FONT></A><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><<A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es"><FONT color=#954f72><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(149,79,114)">fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</SPAN></FONT></A>><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of<SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> <st1:personname
w:st="on"></st1:personname></SPAN></SPAN></B><st1:personname
w:st="on">Krassimir Markov</st1:personname><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:18
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="mailto:yxs@pku.edu.cn"><FONT color=#954f72><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(149,79,114)">yxs@pku.edu.cn</SPAN></FONT></A>; FIS Group
<<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"><FONT color=#954f72><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(149,79,114)">fis@listas.unizar.es</SPAN></FONT></A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [Fis] black hole and
information<u1:p></u1:p></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt; TEXT-INDENT: 10pt"><FONT
size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><u1:p></u1:p> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Dear
Xueshan,</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">I have only one
remark.<BR>The Nobel Prize is given to researchers but not to the Black hole
and not to any other object in the Cosmos!</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2
face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 16pt"><FONT
size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><BR>Without observer there
is no Black hole entropy, there is no
information.<u1:p></u1:p></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">So, the consciousness is
needed to reflect reality and to assume some reflections as
information.</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><u1:p></u1:p> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Friendly
greetings</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Krassimir</SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
size=2 face=等线><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><A title=yxs@pku.edu.cn
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="mailto:yxs@pku.edu.cn"><FONT color=#954f72 size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; COLOR: rgb(149,79,114)">Xueshan
Yan</SPAN></FONT></A></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma">Tuesday, October 06, 2020 3:37
PM<u1:p></u1:p></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
size=2 face=等线><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><A title=fis@listas.unizar.es
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"><FONT color=#954f72 size=2
face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; COLOR: rgb(149,79,114)">FIS
Group</SPAN></FONT></A></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma">[Fis] black hole and
information<u1:p></u1:p></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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size=3 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> <u1:p></u1:p></SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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size=3 face=等线><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线">Dear colleagues</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=等线>，</FONT><FONT size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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size=3 face=等线><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线">This year's Nobel Prize in physics
goes to black hole research today. When the curvature of space-time of a
celestial body is so large that even light cannot escape from its event
horizon, we call it a black hole. I. Once a black hole is formed, except for
mass, angular momentum, and electric charge, all the previous material
properties as objects disappear; II. The horizon area of the black hole is
equal to its entropy (entropy equals negative information). These two issues
form a close relationship between the research of black hole and
information. The follow-up effect of this year's Nobel Prize in physics may
lead to further thinking on the information in the future by
astrophysicists, and lay a reverie foundation for the informational
interpretation of matter several years
later.<u1:p></u1:p></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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size=3 face=等线><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线">Best wishes and
health,<u1:p></u1:p></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=等线><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 等线"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><BR>----------<BR>INFORMACISN SOBRE PROTECCISN
DE DATOS DE CARACTER PERSONAL<BR><BR>Ud. recibe este correo por pertenecer a
una lista de correo gestionada por la Universidad de Zaragoza.<BR>Puede
encontrar toda la informacisn sobre<SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: rgb(149,79,114)">https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas</SPAN></FONT></A></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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si esta suscrito a una lista voluntaria Ud. puede darse de baja desde la
propia aplicacisn en el momento en que lo desee.<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: rgb(149,79,114)">http://listas.unizar.es</SPAN></FONT></A></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">_______________________________________________<BR>Fis
mailing list<BR><A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es"><FONT color=#954f72><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(149,79,114)">Fis@listas.unizar.es</SPAN></FONT></A><BR><A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis"><FONT
color=#954f72><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(149,79,114)">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</SPAN></FONT></A><BR>----------<BR>INFORMACISN
SOBRE PROTECCISN DE DATOS DE CARACTER PERSONAL<BR><BR>Ud. recibe este correo
por pertenecer a una lista de correo gestionada por la Universidad de
Zaragoza.<BR>Puede encontrar toda la informacisn sobre como tratamos sus
datos en el siguiente enlace:<SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas"><FONT
color=#954f72><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(149,79,114)">https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas</SPAN></FONT></A><BR>Recuerde
que si esta suscrito a una lista voluntaria Ud. puede darse de baja desde la
propia aplicacisn en el momento en que lo desee.<BR><A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: blue"
href="http://listas.unizar.es/"><FONT color=#954f72><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(149,79,114)">http://listas.unizar.es</SPAN></FONT></A><BR>----------<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT
size=1 face=Helvetica><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica"><SPAN
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FLOAT: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">_______________________________________________</SPAN><BR
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><SPAN
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FLOAT: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">Fis
mailing list</SPAN><BR
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"></SPAN></FONT><SPAN><A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; WORD-SPACING: 0px; COLOR: blue; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"
href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es"><FONT color=#954f72 size=1
face=Helvetica><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: rgb(149,79,114)">Fis@listas.unizar.es</SPAN></FONT></A></SPAN><FONT
size=1 face=Helvetica><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica"><BR
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"></SPAN></FONT><SPAN><A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; WORD-SPACING: 0px; COLOR: blue; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"
href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis"><FONT
color=#954f72 size=1 face=Helvetica><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: rgb(149,79,114)">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</SPAN></FONT></A></SPAN><FONT
size=1 face=Helvetica><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica"><BR
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><SPAN
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FLOAT: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">----------</SPAN><BR
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><SPAN
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FLOAT: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">INFORMACIÓN
SOBRE PROTECCIÓN DE DATOS DE CARÁCTER PERSONAL</SPAN><BR
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><BR
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><SPAN
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FLOAT: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">Ud.
recibe este correo por pertenecer a una lista de correo gestionada por la
Universidad de Zaragoza.</SPAN><BR
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><SPAN
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FLOAT: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">Puede
encontrar toda la información sobre como tratamos sus datos en el siguiente
enlace:<SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN><A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; WORD-SPACING: 0px; COLOR: blue; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"
href="https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas"><FONT
color=#954f72 size=1 face=Helvetica><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: rgb(149,79,114)">https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas</SPAN></FONT></A></SPAN><FONT
size=1 face=Helvetica><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica"><BR
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><SPAN
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FLOAT: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">Recuerde
que si está suscrito a una lista voluntaria Ud. puede darse de baja desde la
propia aplicación en el momento en que lo desee.</SPAN><BR
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"></SPAN></FONT><SPAN><A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; WORD-SPACING: 0px; COLOR: blue; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"
href="http://listas.unizar.es/"><FONT color=#954f72 size=1
face=Helvetica><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: rgb(149,79,114)">http://listas.unizar.es</SPAN></FONT></A></SPAN><FONT
size=1 face=Helvetica><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica"><BR
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><SPAN
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