<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"
xmlns:u1>
<head>
<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)">
<!--[if !mso]>
<style>
v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
</style>
<![endif]--><o:SmartTagType
namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/>
<o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
name="place"/>
<o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
name="PersonName"/>
<!--[if !mso]>
<style>
st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
</style>
<![endif]-->
<style>
<!--
v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
.SHAPE
{behavior:url(#default#VML);}
st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Helvetica;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:SimSun;
panose-1:2 1 6 0 3 1 1 1 1 1;}
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:等线;
panose-1:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
panose-1:2 11 6 2 3 5 4 2 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:"\@SimSun";
panose-1:2 1 6 0 3 1 1 1 1 1;}
@font-face
{font-family:"\@等线";
panose-1:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0cm;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
span.EmailStyle17
{mso-style-type:personal;
font-family:Arial;
color:navy;}
span.EmailStyle19
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:Arial;
color:navy;}
@page Section1
{size:595.3pt 841.9pt;
margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt;}
div.Section1
{page:Section1;}
-->
</style>
<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
</head>
<body lang=FR link=blue vlink=blue style='WORD-WRAP: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'>
<div class=Section1>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>I forward this message of Krassimir to maintain the momentum of the
discussion, although I disagree with it. It would be correct ONLY if
probabilities had to be defined in epistemic terms (statistical or logical, my
question stands).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>In my view, probabilities are closely related to potentialities
(trends, propensities) which are real properties of real physical processes. Information
is embedded in such potentialities and probabilities, and it changes as they
change. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>OF COURSE humans are required, but they are also required to say
that gravity is gravity, that anything physical is physical. We thus perceive
and interpret change as ‘time’.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>OF COURSE, Shannon’s probability and information approaches are incomplete,
but as Loet continues to show, they are capable of being extended, and there
are also other ways to do this, for example by going to an ontological (real,
energetic) model.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>The question of whether quantum theory is useful for defining
information is of a different kind, since it refers to a non-thermodynamic
domain, and information for me refers ONLY to thermodynamic processes. This is
why I asked Louis my question in the way I did.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>I would be very grateful for any comments that suggest that my
point of view might be even partially correct.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Thank you and best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Joseph<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>P.S. The idea that information is lost in cosmological black holes is
consistent with the above. Humans cannot approach a black hole (“to see what it’s
like”) any more than they can the nucleus of an atom. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1>
</span></font></div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Krassimir Markov</st1:PersonName>
[mailto:markov@foibg.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> lundi, 12 octobre 2020 20:15<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Joseph Brenner; 'Louis
Kauffman'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> yxs@pku.edu.cn<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fis] black hole and
information. Probabilities</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Dear Joseph,</span></font><font
size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>I have just answered
to Louis.</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Below I duplicate the
answer.</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Dear Louis,<br>
The main problem is that probability is created by humans and only humans can
compute probabilities!<br>
There are no probabilities in the reality. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>It is a human model
for evaluation of what may happen. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Because of this, both
Probability theory and Quantum Theory are not good for defining
information.</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Of course, the
probability paradigm is originated by Shannon and its theory for signals.</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>But during the time,
it was seen that it is a dead end.</span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Probabilities are not
physical and could not be assumed as physical information.<br>
They are mental models!</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Friendly greetings</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Krassimir</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'><br>
PS: I am writing “off line” because of FIS limits.</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<div style='font-color:black'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" title="joe.brenner@bluewin.ch">Joseph
Brenner</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> Monday, October 12,
2020 7:55 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:loukau@gmail.com" title="loukau@gmail.com">'Louis Kauffman'</a> ; <a
href="mailto:markov@foibg.com" title="markov@foibg.com">'Krassimir Markov'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" title="fis@listas.unizar.es">'FIS'</a> ; <a
href="mailto:yxs@pku.edu.cn" title="yxs@pku.edu.cn">yxs@pku.edu.cn</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> RE:
[Fis] black hole and information. Probabilities<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Dear Lou,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>I agree with your definition of physical information as capturing a
major aspect of it. To help in understanding, though, could you please indicate
if the probabilities in your physical states are statistical or logical? The
same question applies to quantum theory: is the generalized probability here
statistical or logical? Krassimir’s note clearly refers to <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>non</span></i>-quantum interactions. Will it turn out
that the probabilities in the macroscopic and quantum worlds will be of
different types?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>An eager student,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Joseph<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabIndex=-1>
</span></font></div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> Fis [mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Louis Kauffman<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> lundi, 12 octobre 2020 18:21<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:personname w:st="on"><st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Krassimir Markov</st1:personname></st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> FIS; yxs@pku.edu.cn<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fis] black hole and
information</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Dear Krassimir,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>A physical state is represented by a wave
function which can be construed as a vector |z>= (z1,z2,…) in an infinite
dimensional space such that ||z||^2 = Sum_{i}(|z_i|^2) converges to 1.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Measuring z produces one of the basis
vectors |e_i> = (0,0,…,1,0,0,0…) (where 1 is in the ith place) with
probability |z_{i}|^2. (More generally, one has a Hilbert space and and
integral rather than a summation.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>In a specific application the basis
vectors correspond to actual possibilities of measurement by some devices (e.g.
the positions when an electron could hit a screen).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The information in |z> is this
probability distribution coupled with the interpretations of the measurements.
Under physical processes that are not measurements “the information is <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>preserved” in the sense that ||z||^2 is
left unchanged by those (unitary) processes. Quantum Theory is a generalized
probability theory in this sense.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>In my understanding, the above is what is
meant by “physical information”.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Lou Kauffman<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Oct 11, 2020, at 9:05 PM, <st1:personname w:st="on"><st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Krassimir Markov</st1:personname></st1:PersonName> <<a
href="mailto:markov@foibg.com">markov@foibg.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Dear Xueshan,<br>
Thank you for your remarks.<br>
</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>What is methodical
error in physics is that the different physical interactions like gravitation
are assumed as information. <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
Can one describe what kind of information "Comet A can transmits to comet
B".<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
Only physical, chemical or mechanical interactions may exists in the not living
nature.</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Biological, psychological
and sociological interactions are specific only for living creatures.</span></font><font
size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>"<i><span
style='font-style:italic'>Does the moon exist when no one sees it?</span></i>"<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Yes, it exists, but it
doesn't know anything about itself as well as it is not recognized as an object
by other objects.<br>
The same is valid for all objects in the nature.</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Finally, I could not
understand what means“the black hole information is physical”.<br>
Please, can you describe the “physical information”.<br>
Is it the same as the reflection i.e. some structural or functional changes
after physical,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>chemical or
mechanical interactions?</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Friendly greetings</span></font><font
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-family:"Courier New";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Krassimir</span></font><font
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-family:"Courier New";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span class=apple-converted-space><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> </span></font></span><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><a
href="mailto:yxs@pku.edu.cn" title="yxs@pku.edu.cn"><font color="#954f72"><span
style='color:#954F72'>Xueshan Yan</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><span class=apple-converted-space><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> </span></font></span><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Monday, October 12,
2020 4:13 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><span class=apple-converted-space><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> </span></font></span><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><a
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" title="fis@listas.unizar.es"><font
color="#954f72"><span style='color:#954F72'>FIS</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><span class=apple-converted-space><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> </span></font></span><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Re: [Fis] black hole
and information<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Dear
Krassimir,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font size=2 color=black face=等线><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;text-indent:27.0pt;line-height:17.0pt'><font
size=3 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Very sorry for my late reply.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt;text-indent:27.0pt;line-height:
17.0pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>1. Yes, your
statement "<i><span style='font-style:italic'>The Nobel Prize is given to<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>researchers</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>but not to the Black hole.</span></i>"
is more precise than my "<i><span style='font-style:italic'>This year's
Nobel Prize in physics goes to black hole<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>research</span></b></span></i>".<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt;text-indent:27.0pt;line-height:
17.0pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>2. "<i><span
style='font-style:italic'>Without observer there is no black hole entropy,
there is no information</span></i>." Inadvertently, you have raised a
quantum mechanical question of information. If we can remember, Einstein and
Bohr have a long debate that has an essential impact on quantum mechanics. That
is "<i><span style='font-style:italic'>Does the moon exist when no one
sees it?</span></i>" If there isn’t any human observer, does "black
hole entropy or information" exist? I don't know.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt;text-indent:27.0pt;line-height:
17.0pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>3. "Comet A
can transmits<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>information</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>to comet B", this<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>information</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>about the behavior of the two comets
greatly enriches our understanding of astrophysics. Here, the first information
is physical and the second is human. Therefore, in my immature view, your "<i><span
style='font-style:italic'>Consciousness is needed to reflect reality and to
assume some reflections as information</span></i>." is a human informatics
problem, while the black hole information is physical.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt;text-indent:27.0pt;line-height:
17.0pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Karl's
prediction is a great encouragement to us and will come true soon, let's be ready
to accept the prize next year or later.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font size=2
color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt;line-height:17.0pt'><font size=3
color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Best wishes,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Xueshan<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:10.0pt;line-height:16.0pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:black'><u1:p></u1:p> </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=等线><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:black'><a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es"><font
color="#954f72"><span style='color:#954F72'>fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</span></font></a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><<a
href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es"><font color="#954f72"><span
style='color:#954F72'>fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</span></font></a>><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> <st1:personname w:st="on"></span></span></b><st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Krassimir Markov</st1:personname></st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:18 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:yxs@pku.edu.cn"><font
color="#954f72"><span style='color:#954F72'>yxs@pku.edu.cn</span></font></a>;
FIS Group <<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"><font color="#954f72"><span
style='color:#954F72'>fis@listas.unizar.es</span></font></a>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Fis] black hole and information<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:10.0pt;line-height:16.0pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:black'><u1:p></u1:p> </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=等线><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Dear Xueshan,</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>I have only one
remark.<br>
The Nobel Prize is given to researchers but not to the Black hole and not to
any other object in the Cosmos!</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=等线><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:16.0pt'><font size=4 color=black
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:black'><br>
Without observer there is no Black hole entropy, there is no information.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>So, the consciousness
is needed to reflect reality and to assume some reflections as information.</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'><u1:p></u1:p> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Friendly greetings</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Krassimir</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:
等线;color:black'><a href="mailto:yxs@pku.edu.cn" title="yxs@pku.edu.cn"><font
size=2 color="#954f72" face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Tahoma;color:#954F72'>Xueshan Yan</span></font></a></span></font><font size=2
color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Tuesday, October 06, 2020 3:37 PM<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:
等线;color:black'><a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"
title="fis@listas.unizar.es"><font size=2 color="#954f72" face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:#954F72'>FIS Group</span></font></a></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>[Fis] black hole and information<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:16.0pt'><font size=3 color=black face=等线><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:等线;color:black'>Dear colleagues</span></font><font
color=black face=等线><span style='font-family:等线;color:black'>，</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:16.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:black'> </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=等线><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:16.0pt'><font size=3 color=black face=等线><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:等线;color:black'>This year's
Nobel Prize in physics goes to black hole research today. When the curvature of
space-time of a celestial body is so large that even light cannot escape from
its event horizon, we call it a black hole. I. Once a black hole is formed,
except for mass, angular momentum, and electric charge, all the previous
material properties as objects disappear; II. The horizon area of the black
hole is equal to its entropy (entropy equals negative information). These two
issues form a close relationship between the research of black hole and
information. The follow-up effect of this year's Nobel Prize in physics may
lead to further thinking on the information in the future by astrophysicists,
and lay a reverie foundation for the informational interpretation of matter
several years later.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:16.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:black'> </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=等线><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:16.0pt'><font size=3 color=black face=等线><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:等线;color:black'>Best wishes and
health,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font size=2 color=black face=等线><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:16.0pt'><font size=3 color=black face=等线><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:等线;color:black'>Xueshan<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3
color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:black'>
<hr size=4 width="100%" align=center>
</span></font></div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>
Fis mailing list<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=等线><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;color:black'><a
href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es"><font size=3 color="#954f72" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#954F72'>Fis@listas.unizar.es</span></font></a></span></font><font
color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Calibri;
color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=等线><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;color:black'><a
href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis"><font size=3
color="#954f72" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#954F72'>http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</span></font></a></span></font><font
color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Calibri;
color:black'><br>
----------<br>
INFORMACISN SOBRE PROTECCISN DE DATOS DE CARACTER PERSONAL<br>
<br>
Ud. recibe este correo por pertenecer a una lista de correo gestionada por la
Universidad de Zaragoza.<br>
Puede encontrar toda la informacisn sobre <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">como</st1:city></st1:place></st1:City> tratamos sus datos en el
siguiente enlace:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:
等线;color:black'><a
href="https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas"><font
size=3 color="#954f72" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#954F72'>https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas</span></font></a></span></font><font
color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Calibri;
color:black'><br>
Recuerde que si esta suscrito a una lista voluntaria Ud. puede darse de baja
desde la propia aplicacisn en el momento en que lo desee.<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=等线><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;color:black'><a
href="http://listas.unizar.es/"><font size=3 color="#954f72" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#954F72'>http://listas.unizar.es</span></font></a></span></font><font
color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Calibri;
color:black'><br>
----------<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font size=2 color=black face=等线><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<div id=DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3
color=black face=SimSun><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
SimSun;color:black'>
<hr size=2 width="99%" noshade color="#909090" align=center>
</span></font></div>
<table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0
style='border-collapse:collapse'>
<tr>
<td style='padding:0cm 11.25pt 0cm 6.0pt'>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=等线><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;color:black'><a
href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus"><font size=3 color="#954f72"
face=SimSun><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:#954F72;
text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=90 height=33 id="_x0000_i1027"
src="http://static.avast.com/emails/avast-mail-stamp.png" alt="Avast logo"></span></font></a></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线;
color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</td>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#3d4d5a" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#3D4D5A'>Този имейл е проверен за вируси от Avast.<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
</span></font><font color=black face=SimSun><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:SimSun;color:black'><a
href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus"><font color="#954f72" face=Calibri><span
style='font-family:Calibri;color:#954F72'>www.avast.com</span></font></a></span></font><font
color=black face=SimSun><span style='font-family:SimSun;color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=SimSun><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:black'><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=等线><span style='font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:等线;color:black'><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black
face=SimSun><span style='font-family:SimSun;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3
color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:black'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>
</span></font></div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>
Fis mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es"><font color="#954f72"><span
style='color:#954F72'>Fis@listas.unizar.es</span></font></a><br>
<a href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis"><font
color="#954f72"><span style='color:#954F72'>http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</span></font></a><br>
----------<br>
INFORMACISN SOBRE PROTECCISN DE DATOS DE CARACTER PERSONAL<br>
<br>
Ud. recibe este correo por pertenecer a una lista de correo gestionada por la
Universidad de Zaragoza.<br>
Puede encontrar toda la informacisn sobre como tratamos sus datos en el
siguiente enlace:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas"><font
color="#954f72"><span style='color:#954F72'>https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas</span></font></a><br>
Recuerde que si esta suscrito a una lista voluntaria Ud. puede darse de baja
desde la propia aplicacisn en el momento en que lo desee.<br>
<a href="http://listas.unizar.es/"><font color="#954f72"><span
style='color:#954F72'>http://listas.unizar.es</span></font></a><br>
----------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><span
style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;float:none;word-spacing:0px'>_______________________________________________</span><br
style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'>
<span style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;float:none;word-spacing:0px'>Fis
mailing list</span><br style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><a
href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es" style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
word-spacing:0px'><font size=1 color="#954f72" face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#954F72'>Fis@listas.unizar.es</span></font></a></span></font><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><br style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:
0px'>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><a
href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis" style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
word-spacing:0px'><font size=1 color="#954f72" face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#954F72'>http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</span></font></a></span></font><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><br style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:
0px'>
<span style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;float:none;word-spacing:0px'>----------</span><br
style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'>
<span style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;float:none;word-spacing:0px'>INFORMACIÓN
SOBRE PROTECCIÓN DE DATOS DE CARÁCTER PERSONAL</span><br style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
word-spacing:0px'>
<br style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'>
<span style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;float:none;word-spacing:0px'>Ud. recibe
este correo por pertenecer a una lista de correo gestionada por la Universidad
de Zaragoza.</span><br style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'>
<span style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;float:none;word-spacing:0px'>Puede
encontrar toda la información sobre como tratamos sus datos en el siguiente
enlace:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><a
href="https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas"
style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><font size=1
color="#954f72" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;
color:#954F72'>https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas</span></font></a></span></font><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><br style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:
0px'>
<span style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;float:none;word-spacing:0px'>Recuerde
que si está suscrito a una lista voluntaria Ud. puede darse de baja desde la
propia aplicación en el momento en que lo desee.</span><br style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
word-spacing:0px'>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><a
href="http://listas.unizar.es/" style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
word-spacing:0px'><font size=1 color="#954f72" face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#954F72'>http://listas.unizar.es</span></font></a></span></font><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><br style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:
0px'>
<span style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;float:none;word-spacing:0px'>----------</span></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>