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size=4>Dear Xueshan,<BR></FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-FAMILY: ; COLOR: ; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><FONT size=4>Thank you for your
remarks.<BR> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: ; COLOR: ; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><FONT
size=4>What is methodical error in physics is that the different physical
interactions like gravitation are assumed as information. <BR>Can one
describe what kind of information "Comet A can transmits to comet B". <BR>Only
physical, chemical or mechanical interactions may exists in the not living
nature.<BR></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: ; COLOR: ; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><FONT
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<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Calibri>"<I
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 17pt; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt">Does the moon exist when no one
sees it?</I>" </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Calibri>Yes, it exists, but it doesn't know anything
about itself as well as it is not recognized as an object by other
objects.<BR>The same is valid for all objects in the nature.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Calibri>Finally, I could not understand what means“the
black hole information is physical”.<BR>Please, can you describe the “physical
information”.<BR>Is it the same as the reflection i.e. some structural or
functional changes after physical<FONT style="TEXT-INDENT: 0cm">,</FONT>
chemical or mechanical interactions?</FONT></DIV><FONT face="Courier New"><FONT
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<DIV><BR><FONT size=4 face=Calibri>Friendly greetings</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Calibri>Krassimir</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=yxs@pku.edu.cn
href="mailto:yxs@pku.edu.cn">Xueshan Yan</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 12, 2020 4:13 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=fis@listas.unizar.es
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">FIS</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fis] black hole and information</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; COLOR: black'>Dear
Krassimir,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; COLOR: black'>Very sorry for
my late reply.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-US style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; COLOR: black'>1.
Yes, your statement "<I>The Nobel Prize is given to <B>researchers</B> but not
to the Black hole.</I>" is more precise than my "<I>This year's Nobel Prize in
physics goes to black hole <B>research</B></I>".<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-US style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; COLOR: black'>2.
"<I>Without observer there is no black hole entropy, there is no
information</I>." Inadvertently, you have raised a quantum mechanical question
of information. If we can remember, Einstein and Bohr have a long debate that
has an essential impact on quantum mechanics. That is "<I>Does the moon exist
when no one sees it?</I>" If there isn’t any human observer, does "black hole
entropy or information" exist? I don't know.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-US style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; COLOR: black'>3.
"Comet A can transmits <B>information</B> to comet B", this <B>information</B>
about the behavior of the two comets greatly enriches our understanding of
astrophysics. Here, the first information is physical and the second is human.
Therefore, in my immature view, your "<I>Consciousness is needed to reflect
reality and to assume some reflections as information</I>." is a human
informatics problem, while the black hole information is
physical.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; COLOR: black'>Karl's
prediction is a great encouragement to us and will come true soon, let's be
ready to accept the prize next year or later.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; COLOR: black'>Best
wishes,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; COLOR: black'>Xueshan<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-US style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'>
fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es <fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es> <B>On Behalf
Of </B>Krassimir Markov<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:18
PM<BR><B>To:</B> yxs@pku.edu.cn; FIS Group
<fis@listas.unizar.es><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fis] black hole and
information<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>Dear
Xueshan,</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>I
have only one remark.<BR>The Nobel Prize is given to researchers but not to the
Black hole and not to any other object in the Cosmos!</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><BR>Without
observer there is no Black hole entropy, there is no
information.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>So,
the consciousness is needed to reflect reality and to assume some reflections as
information.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
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</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><A title=yxs@pku.edu.cn
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Yan</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
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</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><A title=fis@listas.unizar.es
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black hole and information<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">This year's Nobel Prize in physics goes to
black hole research today. When the curvature of space-time of a celestial body
is so large that even light cannot escape from its event horizon, we call it a
black hole. I. Once a black hole is formed, except for mass, angular momentum,
and electric charge, all the previous material properties as objects disappear;
II. The horizon area of the black hole is equal to its entropy (entropy equals
negative information). These two issues form a close relationship between the
research of black hole and information. The follow-up effect of this year's
Nobel Prize in physics may lead to further thinking on the information in the
future by astrophysicists, and lay a reverie foundation for the informational
interpretation of matter several years later.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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