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answer!</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Now, I see, we have no differences
about "reflection" and "physical information".</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">They notate one and the same
phenomenon, i.e. they are the one and the same concept.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">I prefer the term “reflection”
because it is older at least of several thousand years and it is more clear and
easy to use.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Thus way, in the nature, in the
reality, there are “reflections”, which may become “information” in some special
cases in the living creatures.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">For instance, when two comets
interact physically, chemically or mechanically, they influence each other and
as result some reflections are generated. </FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Comets do not exchange
“information”. </FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Post interaction changes are
“reflections” but not “information”.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=yxs@pku.edu.cn
href="mailto:yxs@pku.edu.cn">Xueshan Yan</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 12, 2020 6:47 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=fis@listas.unizar.es
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">FIS</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fis] black hole and information</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: black">Dear
</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: black">Krassimir</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: black">,</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: black">Please
criticize and correct the following reply.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'> </SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>What
is methodical error in physics is that the different physical interactions like
gravitation are assumed as information. <BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 21pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">【<SPAN lang=EN-US>After nearly 70 years
of efforts on information, we have formed the following unified view:
information is generated by human reflection, and then there are two basic
processes: communication and processing. However, the concept of information
used by physicists does not follow this pattern. For example, in their latest
statement: The world is created by the mediation of quantum waves of
information.</SPAN>】<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>Can
one describe what kind of information "Comet A can transmits to comet B".
</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 21pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">【<SPAN lang=EN-US>This only is a
hypothesis. Communication between different celestial bodies may or may not
exist. It doesn't affect our informational judgment. There is always
communication between two dogs.</SPAN>】<SPAN
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>Only
physical, chemical or mechanical interactions may exists in the not living
nature.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>Biological,
psychological and sociological interactions are specific only for living
creatures.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 21pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">【<SPAN lang=EN-US>Both agree and
disagree, whether information exists only in living creatures has been discussed
numberless time in FIS.</SPAN>】<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'> </SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>"<I>Does
the moon exist when no one sees it?</I>" </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>Yes,
it exists, but it doesn't know anything about itself as well as it is not
recognized as an object by other objects.<BR>The same is valid for all objects
in the nature.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 21pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">【<SPAN lang=EN-US>Fundamental
Information Studies cannot violate the principles of quantum mechanics. Instead,
we can draw inspiration from there.</SPAN>】<SPAN
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma",sans-serif; COLOR: black'> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>Finally,
I could not understand what means“the black hole information is
physical”.<BR>Please, can you describe the “physical information”.<BR>Is it the
same as the reflection i.e. some structural or functional changes after
physical, chemical or mechanical interactions?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 21pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">【<SPAN lang=EN-US>When a physical
object was reflected by any reflector, we say that the information is physical.
In my deep statement, first, it is physical, and second, it is human. For
example, genetic information, which is cellular (and, of course, physical,
molecular...) But it's also human.</SPAN>】</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 21pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">【<SPAN lang=EN-US>These discussions
relate to a basic concept that I put forward to distinguish different
information and different informatics: INFORWARE. Which are deeply described in
my book "<I>Information Science: Concept, System and Prospect</I> (Beijing,
2016, Science Press, Chinese Edition)".</SPAN>】</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 21pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">【<SPAN lang=EN-US>This is my second
post this week, and according to FIS, I can only reply to one post
later.</SPAN>】<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P></DIV>
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lang=EN-US
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title=fis@listas.unizar.es href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">FIS</A>
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[Fis] black hole and information<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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lang=EN-US
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<P class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; COLOR: black'>Dear
Krassimir,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-TOP: 6pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 17pt; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt; mso-line-height-rule: exactly; mso-para-margin-top: .5gd"><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; COLOR: black'>Very sorry for
my late reply.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="MARGIN-TOP: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 17pt; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt; mso-line-height-rule: exactly; mso-para-margin-top: 1.0gd"><SPAN
lang=EN-US style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; COLOR: black'>1.
Yes, your statement "<I>The Nobel Prize is given to <B>researchers</B> but not
to the Black hole.</I>" is more precise than my "<I>This year's Nobel Prize in
physics goes to black hole <B>research</B></I>".<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-TOP: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 17pt; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt; mso-line-height-rule: exactly; mso-para-margin-top: 1.0gd"><SPAN
lang=EN-US style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; COLOR: black'>2.
"<I>Without observer there is no black hole entropy, there is no
information</I>." Inadvertently, you have raised a quantum mechanical question
of information. If we can remember, Einstein and Bohr have a long debate that
has an essential impact on quantum mechanics. That is "<I>Does the moon exist
when no one sees it?</I>" If there isn’t any human observer, does "black hole
entropy or information" exist? I don't know.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-TOP: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 17pt; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt; mso-line-height-rule: exactly; mso-para-margin-top: 1.0gd"><SPAN
lang=EN-US style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; COLOR: black'>3.
"Comet A can transmits <B>information</B> to comet B", this <B>information</B>
about the behavior of the two comets greatly enriches our understanding of
astrophysics. Here, the first information is physical and the second is human.
Therefore, in my immature view, your "<I>Consciousness is needed to reflect
reality and to assume some reflections as information</I>." is a human
informatics problem, while the black hole information is
physical.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-TOP: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 17pt; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt; mso-line-height-rule: exactly; mso-para-margin-top: 1.0gd"><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; COLOR: black'>Karl's
prediction is a great encouragement to us and will come true soon, let's be
ready to accept the prize next year or later.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; COLOR: black'>Best
wishes,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; COLOR: black'>Xueshan<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'> <A
href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es">fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</A>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Krassimir Markov<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 6, 2020
10:18 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:yxs@pku.edu.cn">yxs@pku.edu.cn</A>; FIS
Group <<A
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</A>><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [Fis] black hole and information<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
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lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>Dear
Xueshan,</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>I
have only one remark.<BR>The Nobel Prize is given to researchers but not to the
Black hole and not to any other object in the Cosmos!</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><BR>Without
observer there is no Black hole entropy, there is no
information.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>So,
the consciousness is needed to reflect reality and to assume some reflections as
information.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: black"><A title=yxs@pku.edu.cn
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</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: black"><A title=fis@listas.unizar.es
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black hole and information<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 0cm"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">This year's Nobel Prize in physics goes to
black hole research today. When the curvature of space-time of a celestial body
is so large that even light cannot escape from its event horizon, we call it a
black hole. I. Once a black hole is formed, except for mass, angular momentum,
and electric charge, all the previous material properties as objects disappear;
II. The horizon area of the black hole is equal to its entropy (entropy equals
negative information). These two issues form a close relationship between the
research of black hole and information. The follow-up effect of this year's
Nobel Prize in physics may lead to further thinking on the information in the
future by astrophysicists, and lay a reverie foundation for the informational
interpretation of matter several years later.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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