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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear FIS Colleagues,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Fantastic Karl's optimism! At least we
deserve the Ig Nobel Prize for these 25 years! The pity we still
have disarray on how to slice the pizza, how to seat on the table,
how to organize the cuisine, the ingredients... Well, but we have
fun! <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Regarding Jerry's below, I will try to
produce simple responses, although what he asks demands lengthy
comments. <br>
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cite="mid:D7FC3B1C-4AF8-4399-9E1D-7822EBD2E6EE@icloud.com">
<div class="">While I applaud the effort to construct a theory of
information, I believe the principles introduced below need to
be significantly sharpened if the theory is to be developed into
biological information theory. At least, from the narratives of
the terms ‘distinction’ and ‘adjacent’. </div>
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<div class="">From a logical perspective of science, the term
“informational entity” appears to be a teleological or
cybernetic entity, that is necessarily searching for
satisfaction of a need. Such that the distinction is a
“difference that makes a difference”?</div>
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<div class="">Is this the intended meaning of the term?</div>
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<p><i>I quite agree with the needed sharpening. The principles refer
not to an info theory (many are needed, perhaps with Shannon's
among the central ones), but to an involving science. Take the
example of physics, with so many theories within, but centrally
staying with the Mechanics (classical, fluid, statistical,
quantum). I mean, all the info stuff around, already produced,
would greatly benefit from a general wrapping up. About the </i><i>the
term “informational entity”, it would represent those entities
that survive via info flows abduced from the environment,
coupled with energy flows and with inner info flows. The initial
system with those characteristics is the living cell. Later on
there would be complex cells, organisms, individuals, societies,
firms, institutions, countries... each one demanding a specific
analysis. </i><br>
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cite="mid:D7FC3B1C-4AF8-4399-9E1D-7822EBD2E6EE@icloud.com">
<div class="">Secondly, I applaud the proposal to focus on
adjacency as a critical attribute of information theory. The
deeper implications of this term require a binary system of
difference; that is, two different objective “forms” are
necessary. The forms must have separate identities in order for
them to be adjacency to one-another. </div>
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<div class="">Is this the intended meaning of the term?</div>
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<div class="">Are these two terms embodied in the “First
Principle” of Marijuan’s Information theory intended to function
logically as the skeleton needed to transmit a informational
message?</div>
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<div class="">Or, am I missing the point? Adjacency could also be
interpreted as spatial adjacency or temporal adjacency. </div>
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<i>I cannot respond succinctly... my original intent comes from
molecular recognition classes, which also works very well for our
own perception (including distant sources via photons, phonons,
etc.). But adjacency has further layers. I take set theory to
establish a sort of metaphor on how "logical distinctions" can be
extracted by a subject counting with a set of receptors that can
be occupied by different presences or signs--not necessarily
binary. Then those distinctions circulate--are propagated-- so
that the system inner workings can elaborate inferences that
become "meaning" (or meaninglessness). As I have said several
times Karl's multidimensional partitions can be a very elegant
"metaphor" (???) for elaborating logical distinctions out from a
very dirty (overburdened) environment impinging on the receptor
set. The further transmission within the system we can bet will
have Shannonian and Bayesian connotations. Another Karl (Friston)
becomes ad hoc here.</i><br>
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cite="mid:D7FC3B1C-4AF8-4399-9E1D-7822EBD2E6EE@icloud.com">
<div class="">As I read the “First Principle”, it could suggest
that information can not be a point within set theory. This
suggested conclusion appears to negate a role for the popular
views of entropy in the transmission of information. Is that
the intent? Or, am I reading too much into this very direct
declarative sentence?</div>
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<i>Not necessarily. Better speaking on complementarity, I think. We
look at the other end of the channel, the subject making sense. </i><br>
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cite="mid:D7FC3B1C-4AF8-4399-9E1D-7822EBD2E6EE@icloud.com">
<div class="">The intended meaning of the term "<span
style="font-size: 16px;" class="">“multidimensional
partitions”</span><font class="" size="3"> “ </font></div>
<div class="">Is unclear. I presume that it refers to multiple
integers each with a separate and distinct pattern of
partitions. Or, does it infer a single vector of n integers
selected from an n-dimensional space?</div>
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<p><i>Homeric Karl can respond better about multidimensional
partitions...</i></p>
<p><i>All the best--Pedro</i><br>
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cite="mid:D7FC3B1C-4AF8-4399-9E1D-7822EBD2E6EE@icloud.com">
<div class="">BTW, in my view, Joseph’s comment on
“informationing” is spot on (if I presume that it is effectively
synonymous with “informing”.)</div>
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<div class="">Cheers</div>
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<div class="">Jerry </div>
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<div class="">On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:37 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan
<<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>>
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<p class="">Dear FIS Colleagues,</p>
<p class="">As promised I bring a new version of the 10
info principles (IPs). Just the first two ones.</p>
<p class="">As you have seen in Krassimir's and Marcin's
messages, hopefully we will have a specific FIS
participation in IS4SI virtual meeting... So here
there are those two points:</p>
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justify;line-height:14.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;tab-stops:382.75pt"><b
class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">1. Information is distinction on an <i
style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal" class="">adjacent
</i>difference.</span></b></p>
<b class=""> </b>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:
justify;line-height:14.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;tab-stops:382.75pt"><b
class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">2. Information processes consist in
organized action upon differences collected onto
structures, patterns, sequences, messages, or
flows.</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:
justify;line-height:14.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;tab-stops:382.75pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-GB">Here,
the <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal" class="">distinction</b>
term refers to the capabilities of the subject or
informational entity that is engaged in the
exploration of events or signals in its immediate
environment. The subject extracts logical
distinctions out from the differences in the
materiality of those events. A minimalist scheme of
distinctional logic based on multidimensional
partitions can be applied, as was discussed by this
author (Marijuán et al., 1998). It is based on the
logic of multidimensional partitions developed by
Karl Javorsky, explaining how finally a consistent
skeleton of logical “distinctions” may be obtained
out from the elements composing the difference
detected or interacted by the subject.</span></p>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-GB">The
guiding idea is that, by following that logic (in
itself based on a few principles), one can apply
“multidimensional partitions” as formal descriptors of
the discrete messages or the signalling flows. And
that skeleton of partitions is what “receiving the
information” preliminarily implies along this
restricted communication logics. It is about how the
informational entity may create streams of
relationships associated to the material differences
in the impinging signalling flows or discrete
messages. </span>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:
justify;line-height:14.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;tab-stops:382.75pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-GB">The <b
style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal" class="">adjacent</b>
term refers to the physical contact to be achieved
between the signalling event and the subject, and
the need by the latter of counting with sensory
elements or with excitatory surfaces to be
physically impinged upon by the incoming signals. In
living cells, information arrives via particles,
molecules, atoms, photons, or phonons that impinge
on specialized receptors. It is the same in all
sensory surfaces of nervous systems.</span><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-GB">
Increasing the adjacency, extending the territory
covered by the communication processes with the
environment is a formidable drive of biological
evolution: cellular pili, flagella, cilia,
arborisation of axons and dendrites, the neuronal
multiplicity of sensors and receptors, specialized
maps, sensing modalities, etc. By all means,
adjacency is increased to the maximum supported by
the biological system. We may notice something
similar in human societies about the artifacts,
means of communication, and scientific-technological
apparatuses that transcend the immediate adjacency
of subjects in the complex information flows of
contemporary societies. By transcending the limits
of immediate space-time adjacency, and creating <b
class="">channels</b> that carry differences to
build ad hoc distinctions, subjects may perform a
myriad of further distinction extractions and
cognitive operations (think of telescopes,
microscopes, telegraph, etc.). By the way, curiously
"channel" in the Shanonian scheme represents also
that which brings information to the adjacency of
the receiver. <br class="">
</span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:
justify;line-height:14.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;tab-stops:382.75pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-GB">By
the way: addenda to pont two for Krassimir: <b
class="">data result from the measurement of an
action</b> (or of an aggregate of multiple
actions, or surrogates of actions).</span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:
justify;line-height:14.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;tab-stops:382.75pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-GB">Best
wishes to all</span></p>
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