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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b>Information as an
attribute of time and space<span></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">There is agreement in the list, that for a focused discussion,
the meaning of the term information shall be restricted – in this chat – to observations
relating to biological processes. Common in the opinions is that we are here
not in the business of theoretical physics or molecular geometry. On what level
we understand information to be doing its work, is chosen by the participants’
own perspectives, viewpoints and preferences. There are degrees of delineations,
and pardon me, if I attribute some ideas to participants wrongly. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Pedro includes the processes within a system of cells, in
the sense of a self-regulating system of limits and thresholds, which maintains
an equilibrium;<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Joseph reiterates that both what we describe and our ways of
describing it are subject to the same laws of logic; this is asserted by participants;
our metaphysical models necessarily repeat the basic forms, ideas, principles –
are actually based on – which rule the physical world;<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Loet and Marcus point out that the model we imagine be a
living one, whatever that means;<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Krassimir repeats that the most part of what we discuss is
only in our head and we should take care not to anthropomorphise that what we
discuss;<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Karl says that information is a part of learning, and needs
the operations of store-retrieve-compare to function in the human brain;<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Bruno says that the story begins above that level up to
which we can build machines that perform all of the points listed so far.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b>The accountant’s
story </b><span>is hardly ever materially connected
to the stories relating to concrete things. On the other hand, the perspective
of balancing, double ledgers and transforming units while changing their forms
is equally present on each of the levels, on which information is observed to
be an actor in some processes. The accountant sees a large compendium of rules,
according to which principles units are to be transformed, and which summations
yield interpretable partial results. First, we have to agree on the name-giving
rules, like you would need to know what your accountant means by referred income.
Here, we explicate the need to agree on names while pointing out some
interpretational freedom in the picture we see, reflecting how a reorder – a periodic
change – affects the assembly of logical primitives. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>The whole system is
based on <b>cycles</b>. Cycles appear as we re-sort logical primitives from an
order A into an order B. For the following example, on which we discuss
identical and different parts of the terms <b>time and space</b>, we shall use
the 16<sup>th</sup> cohort of logical primitives, which is {<i>(1,1),(1,2),(2,2),…,(14,15),(15,15),(16,16)}.
</i>We shall note the planar position for each of the primitives on a plane. One
can reorder 136 pairs of numbers from <i>Seq[b,a]
</i>into <i>Seq[a,b] </i>in 30 to 60 minutes
by hand, using paper and pencil. For didactic purposes, the reader is invited
to actually reorder 136 pairs of numbers.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>The </span><b>static position of the primitives</b><span> is pictured as follows:<span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>Each dot is the place of an individual
primitive. The axes are SQab and SQba. The primitive <i>(k,j) </i>is on place <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-align:center;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" align="center"><i><span>x=seqplace(Cohort16, [ab],(k,j)),<span></span></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-align:center;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" align="center"><i><span>y= seqplace(Cohort16, [ba],(k,j)).<span></span></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>The function <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-align:center;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" align="center"><i><span>seqplace(<i>,[<order>],(<primitive>))<span></span></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>returns the sequential number of <i><primitive> </i>in Cohort Nr. <i>i</i>, (in the collection there are <i>i(i+1)/2 </i>primitives), if the
collection is sorted in order <i><order></i>.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" align="center"><i><span style="color:black">Figure </span><span>1: primitives of
C16 on their static places on [ab]</span></i><i><span>↔</span><span>[ba]<span></span></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>The static positions
show the state of the world if no periodic changes take place. As the Earth
rotates and the Moon creates tides, it can become of evolutionary advantage to
be lined up correctly according to the influences that prevail. That position
that is natural/ideal with respect to sunlight (linear position in sorting
order <i>[ab]</i>) may be different to the
ideal/natural position with respect of the stream of the flow (linear position
in sorting order <i>[ba]</i>.)<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>In such a case, a
reorganisation takes place among the primitives. They each seek to reach their linear
positions, which may well differ from the neutral, static position which we have
seen above. A mass migration begins, which happens by means of <b>cycles.<span></span></b></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>We see that a reorder of <i>(a,b),[ab]</i></span><i><span>→</span><span>[ba] </span></i><span>happens by means
of 12 cycles. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>In the example, we
see cycles of differing numbers of primitives in the corpus of the cycle.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span><span> </span>1<span> </span><span> </span>4,<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span><span> </span>2<span> </span><span> </span><span> </span>2,<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>10 <span> </span>1,<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>16<span> </span>2,<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>18<span>
</span>1,<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>30<span>
</span>1,<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>38<span>
</span>1. <span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" align="center"><i><span>Figure 2: primitives of C16
building cycles on [ab]</span></i><i><span>→</span><span>[ba]<span></span></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>To come to the point
we wish to discuss, we take two cycles and compare them on their properties of <i>tact </i>and <i>step. <span></span></i></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>One can distinguish the terms tact and step
on cycles <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><i><span>No
3 (blue, 18 primitives) <span></span></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><i><span>No
9 (red, 16 primitives).<span></span></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>The number of primitives (=cardinality of
the corpus) is called the number of <i>tacts</i>
until element <i>a<sub>i</sub> </i><span>reappears again in the sequence </span><i>a<sub>1</sub></i></span><i><span>→</span><span> …
a<sub>i</sub> </span></i><i><span>→</span><span><span> </span><span> </span>a<sub>1</sub>.</span></i><span> This is a <b>temporal </b>measure. It
takes 18 and 16 tacts until any individual primitive belonging to cycles 3, 9
respectively, reappears. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>The distance covered and the position and
portion of the plane occupied by the cycles is a <b>spatial </b>measure,
which is derived from (sum of) the numbers of steps needed to cover the
distance between two primitives on a Descartes plane. <span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>Apparently, the
answers to “<i>When </i>will primitive <i>a<sub>i </sub></i>reappear again?” and “<i>After how many steps </i>will primitive <i>a<sub>i </sub></i>reappear again?” can yield
different results. The terms ‘velocity’ and ‘density’ can be defined by means
of, and ideal/natural values can be read off this table.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>The </span><b>inbuilt eccentricity</b><span> of the logical system can be provided for,
as one introduces expectations derived from the number of tacts regarding the
number of steps, and parallelly, expectations derived from the number of steps
regarding the number of tacts. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>Humans appear to
possess an inner compass regarding the expected weight of something they will
lift for the first time. Things obviously have a property of being heavy to
differing degrees. (Babies rattling their rattle learn this.) This physical property
of things may be imagined to have a representation in our nervous system, which
has learnt what to expect. The possibility of creating such a measure (an inner
faculty to imagine an object, together with its imagined usual (expected)
weight) shows that there is a basic property in the organisation of our
concepts, which allows for ideas of density to be connected to ideas of a
spatial volume. It could well be, that we basically refer to the properties of
objects to be of differently many steps and tacts as we speak of differing
concepts and properties of <i>mass.<span></span></i></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b>Information </b><span>in
the sense of a deviation to expectations is with us since ever, beginning from earlier
than <i>a=a. </i>We give names to its
differing forms. In this example, it has two forms: either something is too
heavy for how it is big, or the thing is too small for how heavy it is. The
primitives spend too much time for walking around so much, or for the results
of all that walking, the primitives could have taken less time, if they had
speeded up. The two terms do not agree wholly, and the deviations of the actual
facts to the expectations is also an inbuilt fact of the system. In this sense,
even inanimate objects can ‘carry information’.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>Karl<span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>PS: For the case
that the pictures do not come over the firewall at Zaragoza U, this essay shall
also be uploaded to <a href="http://academia.edu">academia.edu</a> and research gate.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343017249_FIS_Information_as_an_attribute_of_time_and_space" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);text-decoration:underline">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343017249_FIS_Information_as_an_attribute_of_time_and_space</a><span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span><a href="https://www.academia.edu/43645931/Information_as_an_attribute_of_time_and_space" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);text-decoration:underline">https://www.academia.edu/43645931/Information_as_an_attribute_of_time_and_space</a><span></span></span></p>
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</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Do., 16. Juli 2020 um 13:01 Uhr schrieb Marcus Abundis <<a href="mailto:55mrcs@gmail.com" target="_blank">55mrcs@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi Pedro,<div><br></div><div>From your 11 July post . . .</div><div><div>> The genuine properties of information appear with life: the capability to persist <</div><div>> and react and relate according to inner drives unseen in inanimate matter.<</div><div>– This "informational way of existence" (as you say), I typify as 'adaptive logic'; an equal concept that I hope we may agree on.</div><div><br></div><div>With that as background, in your 11 and 14 July posts there are some key points I wish to address:</div><div>– Your 11 July post shows your bias to LIFE (agency), which *in itself* is fine and I have no problem with. But I have also seen earlier notes from you elsewhere (and implied above) where you seem to insist LIFE's informatic expressions be held above all else – I paraphrase – 'LIFE is Primary in ALL informational respects!' Is this fair to say, does this indeed reflect your view? This view of yours seems clear to me from prior exchanges, but I do not want to put words in your mouth. Also, you are not alone in taking this view. It is important to be clear about this issue of Primacy, and your position on the matter . . . as it often seems to influence the nature of FIS exchanges (re Loet's 14 July note).</div><div><br></div><div>– If you see LIFE as Primary in all informational respects, I disagree with this (as you know). To say LIFE is Primary ignores Evolution by Natural Selection (EvNS) which ultimately defines what all LIFE looks like – what is extant, what Lives and what is Extinct/Dead. In turn, EvNS is guided by indifferent 'selection forces' (purifying, divisive, and directional) which are themselves ultimately 'inanimate' [unless you subscribe to super-naturalism?]. As such, the inanimate defines what the animate is: the INANIMATE is Primary in guiding what the ANIMATE *might* be, but the inverse is not true. LIFE does not direct atoms and elementary particles in how they might behave, or what they might *be*. Still, this does not *by any means* negate LIFE's vital informatics – it merely places LIFE in an adaptive role, that of adapting to inanimate (but still dynamic/chaotic) matter. This schism between what is Primary and what is Secondary, I think, must first be resolved if FIS is to ever advance on its presumed 'foundational' goal.</div><div><br></div><div>– To be clear when we say inanimate we mean 'lacking conscious will or power (survival intent) in manifest acts and deeds'. But inanimate does NOT mean lacking force or energy in the underlying dynamics of EvNS. It is more that simple atoms, etc. do not bother with adaptive survival, but LIFE is mostly concerned with survival . . . given its relatively 'higher-order' vulnerable complexity. </div><div><br></div><div>– Lastly, you alternatively speak of 'points' and 'principles' which are entirely different things (which I am sure you know). Still, I am unsure if the list you offer is meant to convey 'points' or 'principles'? Would you please clarify this. As 'points' it seems little new is added. I do not see how point 1 significantly improves Donald MacKay's “Information is a distinction that makes a difference” or Bateson's 'a difference that makes a difference' – could you offer some clarifying examples, or a bit more detail? The 'adjacent' role you name in point 1 is in scare quotes and unspecific. I do not address later points, as I presume they are shown in a step-wise manner, and I must agree the first point before focusing on later points.</div><div><br></div><div>Marcus</div><div></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 2:30 PM Pedro C. Marijuan <<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div>Dear List, <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for the comments. I have tried
to be more inclusive in the new point 2. <br>
</div>
<div>Also, Point 1 has been slightly
modified reminding an old comment from Lars (that info always goes
"by contact")<br>
</div>
Other changes, in point 3 now, can be justified as follows: <br>
<div>The fact that biological
self-production either in bacteria or in organisms is accompanied
respectively by a "bacterial signaling system" or by a "central
nervous system" tells us that the way of life, the adaptation to
the niche, always needs the development of ad hoc informational
detectors. Otherwise the life cycle becomes "blind", truncated and
unable to advance towards completion. At the same time, inside
every cell, inside every organism, there is an internal
information flow related to its own self-production. For instance
in a living cell, the self-production may imply: expression,
copying, translation, genetic code, modification codes,
degradation... While the signaling flow may imply: signal
generation, emission, transmission channel, reception,
decoding/processing, meaning elaboration, response... Both
information flows, the external and the internal, become
intertwined, densely mixed, at all scales of biological
organization. Let us further emphasize point 1, for all these
information processes imply a physical contact, as they always
have to impinge on the system receptors or sensory surfaces. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So, points 1 to 5 could read as
follows:<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>1. Information as such: distinction
of an "adjacent" difference.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span lang="EN-US">2. Information processes: organized action upon
distinctions collected into structures, patterns, sequences,
messages, or flows.</span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US"></span>3. Integrated information processes of
life: <span lang="EN-US">information flows, both from the external
signaling environment and from the internal productive
environment, are tightly integrated along the advancement of
the adaptive life cycle --they regularly anticipate, shape,
and mix up with the accompanying energy flows.</span>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<span lang="EN-US"></span><span lang="EN-US">4. Biological complexity: communication/information
exchanges among adaptive life-cycles underlie the complexity of
biological organization at all scales.</span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US">5. Biological cognition: cognition, meaning and
knowledge can be identified within the integrated
signaling/productive </span><span lang="EN-US">molecular</span><span lang="EN-US"> mechanisms that adaptively transform the
cell-cycle trajectory as well as in the action/perception cycle
of central nervous systems. <br>
</span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US">The other 5 points regarding human & social
aspects may be discussed later on. <br>
</span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US">All the best</span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US">--Pedro<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">On Monday, July 13, 2020 5:14 AM, Krassimir
Markov wrote: </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US">I am not sure that all colleagues agree that
information does not exist out of the LIFE sphere.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:16.5pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">This observation should stand alone only when
“all colleagues” are the inhabitants outside the LIFE
sphere.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:16.5pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:16.5pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Koichiro Matsuno</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> Fis <a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank"><fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Krassimir Markov<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 13, 2020 5:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'fis' <a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] 10 Principles<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US">Dear Pedro and FIS Colleagues,</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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interconnected.</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US">Unfortunately, I am not sure that all
colleagues agree that information does not exist out
of the LIFE sphere.</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US">Because of this, the first point I expect
to reflect the correspondence between information and
life.</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US">Friendly greetings</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US">Krassimir</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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