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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b>Information and
metaphysics<span></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Dear Colleagues,<span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The recent discussion on Pedro‘s Principles has arrived at
clearing most of the controversies surrounding the meaning of the term “information”.
Let me attempt to summarise and restate the results arrived at so far.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b>Levels of meaning</b>
of the term can be distinguished. In a short notation: information is the
remaining alternatives. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">In the <b>basic, elementary</b> level of <i>a=a, a+b=c,</i> information appears in two
forms, <i>a=c-b, b=c-a. </i>Of the whole,
the missing part is informative. A part of a whole is a source of information
about the whole. That, what is not there, is created by our mental faculties.
If we have a fragment of something, we can imagine, how the whole would look
like. If a part of a whole is missing, we can imagine what it would look like.
That, what we imagine is the information we generate.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">We need to use the <b>deictic method of name giving</b> for
the next level. Here, we switch the perspective from the <i>additive similarities </i><span>of
the objects we imagine (and communicate coherently about) </span>to their <i>subtractive distinctness. </i>To do so, we need
to introduce some logical tokens, objects carrying symbols, balls coloured and
the like. One can use many kinds of symbols to discuss information content of
statements, e.g. <i>a,b,c,…,1,2,3,…,(1,1),(1,2),(2,2),(1,3),…
</i>The name <b>logical primitives </b>has
been brought to the attention of FIS by Marcus. If he agrees and the name is
not yet copyrighted, let me propose to use the name <b>logical primitives </b>to the collection of pairs of natural numbers in
the understanding used in <a href="http://oeis.org/A235647">oeis.org/A235647</a>. Each of the tokens is an
individual, but they share attributes with other tokens. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b>Legitimation to speak
</b>about the matter is based on the fact, that after having generated the
required number of tokens, one can order them according to some of their
properties. The terms of ‘order’, ‘sequence’, ‘position’ can be established by
deictic methods. One can as well sequence the tokens according to a different order.
The patterns (cycles) that arise when reordering the collection from order A
into order B are in the sequel as well clearly observable and are subject to an
exact description. The same will hold true for sequencing the tokens according
to orders B, C, etc. (For reasons that would go too much into detail, it is
advisable to use up to 16 different categories, that is, no more than 136 different
logical primitives). It is permissible and reasonable to communicate about the
planar positions of tokens during a reorder.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b>Periodic changes </b>result
in the logical axiom <i>a<sub>1</sub></i><i><span>→…</span>a<sub>i</sub>…</i><span>→…</span><i> a<sub>1</sub></i><sub><span>.</span></sub><span> This means that days return after nights, spring follows winter and
after having breathed in, one will breath out. Like one can see <i>a=a</i> realised
in everyday arithmetical operations, the axiom </span><i>a<sub>1 </sub></i><i><span>→…</span>a<sub>i</sub>…</i><span>→…</span><i> a<sub>1 </sub></i>will be observable in
arithmetical operations relating to <i>cycles.
</i><span><span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b>Expectations </b>govern
our life. The term ‘expectation’ is assigned by deictic methods to the assumptions
that arise as one observes a collection of tokens on their positions on the plane
and will predict, which order changes are at work (that have resulted in the
observations having been made), that is: which positions of tokens one will
observe the next moment. I see this; therefore, I believe that presently a
change <b><i>from – to</i></b> is taking place. The procedure may remind some
of the idea of drawing samples and predicting the properties of the universe.
Here, inasmuch as the observations in any moment are but a sample, we predict based
on the sample, which changes are taking place. There is nothing random in the
procedure, because in the next moment it will turn out, whether we have
predicted correctly, which tokens will pop up during the procedure of reorder
by means of cycles. The reorder P<span>→</span>Q
does take place, regardless of whether we had believed reorder S<span>→</span>T is taking place. This
not an exercise in random sampling. This is an exercise in accounting.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b>Enter metaphysics<span></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>The logical
primitives are doing their work of walking to their new place and pushing that
guy away who had occupied that place up to now. We, the observers, are
confronted by a snapshot of the present positions of the primitives, doing
their work.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>We can make
reasonable guesses about the next positions of the primitives. As the changes
are periodic, identical states will be returning. Using the axiom </span><i>a<sub>1</sub></i><i><span>→…</span>a<sub>i</sub>…</i><span>→…</span><i> a<sub>1 </sub></i><span>allows us to predict, how many steps we are away from <i>a<sub>1</sub></i></span>
again. Repeating this for all <i>a<sub>i</sub></i>, (for those <b><i>individual
primitive </i></b><b><i><span>↔</span>
planar position coincidences</i></b>) which we observe, we can reasonably
predict, which order changes are currently taking place. This gives us a large
matrix of predictions, based on observations. Here, we simply expand the truth
table conceptualised by Wittgenstein into a table of reasonable predictions.
Predictions are legitimate, as they are each true in a grammatical sense, and
they are indeed based on factual observation of the positions of the primitive,
to whom one can point by the deictic method.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The properties of this matrix are however no more contained
in the physical world. The property of Mr X is that he has a deep knowledge of
the horse races, of Ms Y that she does well on the bond market: the ability of
persons to correctly foretell the future transcends markets, and the faculty
also transcends persons. There are things that are predictable, specifically in
a world (on a planet) that is subject to periodic changes. The <i>collection of predictions</i> has no
homologue in the physical world. <span><span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b>Fulfilment </b>is a
neutral name for that what has become reality in the next moment from among our
expectations. We have made a snapshot in the previous moment and have created predictions
relating to what would come next. As opposed to that collection, what in fact happened
is creating two subsets: what we call fulfilment or <i>hit</i>, where the
expectations have come true, and the other subset which again subdivides into:
those realisations which we did not expect and those expectations which did not
realise. Of these, we can learn much, as the information is contained in the
remaining alternatives, in the <i>miss</i> portion of hit and miss. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b>Information =
Expectation – Fulfilment</b><span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">In agreement with Krassimir’s insistence that the term ‘information’
be meaningfully used when applied in contexts of biology, let me share with you
an important milestone in the development of the mental capacities of a small
child. The so-called Achtmonatsangst has kept its name for tradition, although
the phenomenon nowadays appears earlier and less in the form of anxiety. If the
baby is given to hold by someone not their mother, they will show distress,
markedly during a brief period at around a half year of age. The <i>first organisator </i>has proven to be in working
order, as the subject is able to experience coherently three steps: perceive,
remember, compare. The result of the comparison is unsatisfactory as such.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The expectations are all that is possible. The fulfilment is
that what has come true. We learn from the difference. <i>C [expectations] = .T. [reality] + .F. [information] </i>is a variation
on <i>c = a + b. </i>That what we did not
receive, that what was missing were the core essential in learning, according
to which rules things run, and what is outside of normally expectable
behaviour.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b>Different
descriptions of the same state of the world </b>would serve the need for some
inbuilt eccentricity in the logical system. The storing and retrieving of contents
of the memory could show the tool needed: For a different description of a
state of the world to exist alongside the normal way of describing
(experiencing, perceiving), which can be re-actualised and compared, it is
necessary to have distinct classes of properties on which the two descriptions
can agree or not. With genetics, we only use that subvariant, where the content
in the stored (written sequentially) form agrees most faithfully, to last
point, exactly, to the content in the actualised (concurrently existing) form.
There can be no metaphysical information contained in the DNA, as it only
points out tautologies. With the first organisator of the baby protesting
against the unexpected, the comparison can yield a miss, and from that miss we
learn.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The logical primitives are full of data. Each of the tokens
we play with is a depository of preparedness to enter into a cycle, in
dependence of the reorder taking place. Independently of this, the logical
primitives also possess attributes of a spatial-temporal nature, which create a
separate web of distance relations, interpretable in spaces. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The extent of congruence between the two ways of describing
the positions of logical primitives on a plane of which the axes are Property A
and Property B can be expressed on the physical level by discussing once: which
primitive is where, and by discussing then: where is which primitive. Deviations
from expectations do exist in the physical realm.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On the level above, in a metaphysical context, the
comparisons relate no more to individual coincidences of <i>primitive </i><i><span>↔</span> position, </i><span>but rather <i>Order A </i></span><i><span>↔</span> Order B</i>. It appears
that the evolutionary adaptation of humans to periodic changes has allowed us
to conceptualise different ordering principles, be they observable on the
physical or on the metaphysical level. The cooperation and antagonism interplay
among different ordering principles, which we observe in Nature and discuss in
metaphysical terms, can be made visible since we have computers that allow us
to watch large sets of logical primitives being reordered according to differing
ordering principles. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b>Insight and intelligence
</b>can only evolve if there is something to learn, that is, which returns
periodically. The memory appears to make use of the temporally (=spatially)
sequenced co-description of a state of the world (registering the protagonists’
positions on a stage while re-enacting a childhood experience), while ongoing perception
registers the relations among predictions and fulfilments, irrespective of
their places. Insight as a concept begins after one has begun to have expectations.
In development stages that are below the level of the first organisator, one
should restrain from using the term ‘information’, again reasserting Krassimir’s
views on the subject. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b>Practical steps </b><span>as suggested by Moisés would include the
public availability of the prediction machine, in a commonly agreed on version.
Any good programmer can build a tautomat in two weeks work. Begin in your own
Institute by assigning a senior student to build one. You can use it the day it
is ready; you will discover more and more of its capacities with its use. Once
you are satisfied that using a prediction table is proving advantageous, you
will be able to find the right words to attract resources. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>Greetings to all<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>Karl<span></span></span></p>
</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Mi., 15. Juli 2020 um 06:42 Uhr schrieb Francesco Rizzo <<a href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com">13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Cari colleghi,<div>non vi è niente a questo mondo che non sia frutto del PROCESSO DI TRAS-IN-FORMAZIONE, a partire dal Big Bang. </div><div>Se si considera solo l'informazione genetica o eco-biologica, che fine fanno l'informazione termodinamica (dis-equilibrio o neg-entropia), l'informazione ermeneutica (semiotico-semantica o storico culturale) e l'informazione matematica (entropia shannoniana o fuzzy)? Ne Il cammino degli uomini. Verso l'economia della salvezza o la salvezza dell'economia (Aracne editrice, Roma, 2018), si veda il capitolo:</div><div><br></div><div>13. La funzione-processo della comunicazione dà forma e sostanza all'esistenza e alla conoscenza e di-pende dalla fondamentale legge dell'entropia/neg-entropia: duplice verità che rinnova la vita e influenza la civiltà del futuro o il futuro della civiltà.</div><div><br></div><div> Avevo riassunto-riepilogato il mio pensiero nell'e-mail del primo luglio, ma non ha avuto successo.</div><div>Ho inventato una NUOVA ECONOMIA proprio in-centrandola sul processo di tras-in-formazione e su una TEORIA DEL VALORE che considera tutte e quattro le categorie di informazione suddette. Insomma non v'ha niente nel mondo che possa fare a meno della FORMA DEL VALORE O DEL VALORE DELLA FORMA forma. </div><div>Perchè sfuggire alla LEGGE DELLE LEGGi dell'INFORMAZIONE che non esclude niente o include tutto?</div><div>Che fine fa l'ARMONIA DEL SAPERE o IL SAPERE DELL'ARMONIA?</div><div>Qual è il senso della partecipazione di cultori di discipline diverse al confronto-discussione Fis, costituente una grande ricchezza, ancorchè basata</div><div>sull'armonia del disaccordo?.</div><div>Con grande rispetto per tutti, unito al grazie per quel che mi avete fatto apprendere e conoscere, Vi invio un abbraccio affettuoso.</div><div>Francesco</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno mar 14 lug 2020 alle ore 23:32 Christophe Menant <<a href="mailto:christophe.menant@hotmail.fr" target="_blank">christophe.menant@hotmail.fr</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<span style="font-size:13pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(32,31,30)" lang="EN-US">Dear Loet,
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Modifying your wording from “life-processes” to “processes managed by living entities” allows to consider the content of books (their writing, printing, storage and readings) as meaningful information. And also include artificial agents which are managed (created
and used) by living entities (us humans). <br>
This supports Gordana’s comment on meaningful information always being about something for an agent. Let’s keep in mind that meaningful information exists only by and for agents (natural and artificial).<br>
In addition, the generation of meaningful information can probably be positioned in a wide horizon of agency from a pre-biotic world to a possible post human one (</span><u><span style="font-size:13pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue" lang="EN-US"><a href="https://philpapers.org/rec/MENICA-2" target="_blank">https://philpapers.org/rec/MENICA-2</a></span></u><span style="font-size:13pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">).<br>
There is a lot to do with these subjects.<br>
Best regards<br>
Christophe</span><br>
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<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 14 juillet 2020 15:50<br>
<b>À :</b> Joseph Brenner <<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>>; <a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis@listas.unizar.es</a> <<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>>; Pedro C. Marijuan <<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [Fis] 10 Principles</font>
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<div>Is this a coup-d'etat of the biologists? It does not follow from the role of information in processes of life that information is exclusively processed in life-processes. </div>
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<div>Let me quote Luhmann who argued against Maturana as follows:</div>
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"Moreover, because it is tied to life as a mode of self-reproduction of autopoietic systems, the 'theory of autopoiesis does not really attain the level of general systems theory which includes brains and machines, psychic systems and social systems, societies
and short-term interactions. From this point of view, living systems are a special type of systems. However, if we abstract from life and define autopoiesis as a general form of system-building using self-referential closure, we would have to admit that there
are non-living autopoietic systems, different modes of autopoietic reproduction, and general principles of autopoietic organization which materialize as life, but also in other modes of circularity and self-reproduction. In other words, if we find non-living
autopoietic systems in our world, then and only then will we need a truly general theory of autopoiesis which carefully avoids references which hold true only for living systems. But which attributes of autopoiesis will remain valid on this highest level,
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<div>It seems to me that one can define information more abstractly than its manifestation in processes of living. For example, information and its meaning can be archived in libraries. A librarian may hope that there are no insects in the books who like eating
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<div>Best, </div>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Professor emeritus, University of Amsterdam<br>
Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)</span></p>
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<div>From: "Joseph Brenner" <<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>></div>
<div>To: "Pedro C. Marijuan" <<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>>; "fis" <<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>></div>
<div>Sent: 7/14/2020 3:38:26 PM</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [Fis] 10 Principles</div>
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<font size="3" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">Dear Pedro and FIS Colleagues,</span></font></p>
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<font size="3" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">I endorse this latest statement of principles. I suggest only that in 4, the phrase “among adaptive life-cycles” be deleted or replaced
by “organisms”. A ‘life-cycle’ is an abstraction that cannot and does not in and of itself exchange information.</span></font></p>
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<font size="3" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">As to Koichiro’s comment, I propose restating it positively as follows:
</span></font><font size="2" face="游ゴシック"><span lang="EN-US">This observation can never stand alone since “all colleagues” ARE inhabitants INSIDE the LIFE sphere.</span></font></p>
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<font size="3" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-US">Thank you and kind regards,</span></font></p>
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<font size="3" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-US">Joseph</span></font></p>
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<b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold" lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma" lang="EN-US"> Fis [mailto:<a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Pedro C. Marijuan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> mardi, 14 juillet 2020 14:30<br>
<b>To:</b> 'fis'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] 10 Principles</span></font><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" lang="EN-US"></span></font></p>
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<font size="3">Dear List, </font></p>
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<font size="3">Thanks for the comments. I have tried to be more inclusive in the new point 2.
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<font size="3">Also, Point 1 has been slightly modified reminding an old comment from Lars (that info always goes "by contact")</font></p>
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<font size="3">Other changes, in point 3 now, can be justified as follows: </font>
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<font size="3">The fact that biological self-production either in bacteria or in organisms is accompanied respectively by a "bacterial signaling system" or by a "central nervous system" tells us that the way of life, the adaptation to the niche, always needs
the development of ad hoc informational detectors. Otherwise the life cycle becomes "blind", truncated and unable to advance towards completion. At the same time, inside every cell, inside every organism, there is an internal information flow related to its
own self-production. For instance in a living cell, the self-production may imply: expression, copying, translation, genetic code, modification codes, degradation... While the signaling flow may imply: signal generation, emission, transmission channel, reception,
decoding/processing, meaning elaboration, response... Both information flows, the external and the internal, become intertwined, densely mixed, at all scales of biological organization. Let us further emphasize point 1, for all these information processes
imply a physical contact, as they always have to impinge on the system receptors or sensory surfaces.
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<font size="3">So, points 1 to 5 could read as follows:</font></p>
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<font size="3">1. Information as such: distinction of an "adjacent" difference.</font></p>
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<font size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">2. Information processes: organized action upon distinctions collected into structures, patterns, sequences, messages, or flows.</span></font></p>
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<font size="3">3. Integrated information processes of life: </font><span lang="EN-US">information flows, both from the external signaling environment and from the internal productive environment, are tightly integrated along the advancement of the adaptive
life cycle --they regularly anticipate, shape, and mix up with the accompanying energy flows.</span><span lang="EN-US">
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<font size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">4. Biological complexity: communication/information exchanges among adaptive life-cycles underlie the complexity of biological organization at all scales.</span></font></p>
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<font size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">5. Biological cognition: cognition, meaning and knowledge can be identified within the integrated signaling/productive molecular mechanisms that adaptively transform the cell-cycle trajectory as well
as in the action/perception cycle of central nervous systems. </span></font></p>
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<font size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">The other 5 points regarding human & social aspects may be discussed later on.
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<font size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">All the best</span></font></p>
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<font size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">--Pedro</span></font></p>
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<font size="3">El 13/07/2020 a las 2:01, Koichiro Matsuno escribió:</font></p>
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<font size="2" face="游ゴシック" color="#1f497d"><span lang="EN-US">On Monday, July 13, 2020 5:14 AM, Krassimir Markov wrote: </span></font><font size="4" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black" lang="EN-US">I
am not sure that all colleagues agree that information does not exist out of the LIFE sphere.</span></font></p>
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<font size="2" face="游ゴシック" color="#1f497d"><span lang="EN-US">This observation should stand alone only when “all colleagues” are the inhabitants
outside the LIFE sphere.</span></font></p>
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<font size="2" face="游ゴシック" color="#1f497d"><span lang="EN-US">Best regards,</span></font></p>
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<font size="2" face="游ゴシック" color="#1f497d"><span lang="EN-US">Koichiro Matsuno</span></font></p>
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<b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:bold" lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-US"> Fis
<a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank"><fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es></a> <b>
On Behalf Of </b>Krassimir Markov<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 13, 2020 5:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'fis' <a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] 10 Principles</span></font></p>
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<font size="4" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black" lang="EN-US">Dear Pedro and FIS Colleagues,</span></font></p>
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<font size="4" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black" lang="EN-US">I see that maybe INFORMATION and LIFE are interconnected.</span></font></p>
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<font size="4" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black" lang="EN-US">Unfortunately, I am not sure that all colleagues agree that information does not exist out of the LIFE sphere.</span></font></p>
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<font size="4" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black" lang="EN-US">Because of this, the first point I expect to reflect the correspondence between information and life.</span></font></p>
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<font size="4" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black" lang="EN-US">Friendly greetings</span></font></p>
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<font size="4" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black" lang="EN-US">Krassimir</span></font></p>
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<pre style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><font size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt">INFORMACIÓN SOBRE PROTECCIÓN DE DATOS DE CARÁCTER PERSONAL</span></font></pre>
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<pre style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><font size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt">Ud. recibe este correo por pertenecer a una lista de correo gestionada por la Universidad de Zaragoza.</span></font></pre>
<pre style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><font size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt">Puede encontrar toda la información sobre como tratamos sus datos en el siguiente enlace: <a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsicuz.unizar.es%2Finformacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas&data=02%7C01%7C%7C8f6535b7eb0b4c682f5808d827fce72c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637303314442917058&sdata=qbDJ7HuSSZxSMaeFgN0mCv1k6kmpkz2RJW8ns3DGLEY%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas</a></span></font></pre>
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