<div style="color:black;font: 10pt Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">good observation, pedro.<br>

<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid blue; padding-left: 3px;"> The expansion of biotic realms and the further
      generation of more and more complexity brings forth more and more
      forms of information (& meaning, & knowledge, languages,
      etc.). </blockquote></div>
<span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">with warmth and oomph--howard</span>
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<div><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">__________________________</span></div>

<div><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">Howard Bloom</span></div>

<div><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">Howardbloom.net</span></div>

<div><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">trailer for BRIC-TV's 66-minute film,The Grand Unified Theory of Howard Bloom,  https://youtu.be/rGkOkChazUQ </span></div>

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<div><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">Author of: The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition Into the Forces of History ("mesmerizing"-The Washington Post), </span></div>

<div><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">Global Brain: The Evolution of Mass Mind From The Big Bang to the 21st Century ("reassuring and sobering"-The New Yorker),</span></div>

<div><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">The Genius of the Beast: A Radical Re-Vision of Capitalism ("A tremendously enjoyable book." James Fallows, National Correspondent, The Atlantic),  </span></div>

<div><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">The God Problem: How A Godless Cosmos Creates ("Bloom's argument will rock your world." Barbara Ehrenreich),</span></div>

<div><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">How I Accidentally Started the Sixties (“Wow! Whew! Wild! Wonderful!” Timothy Leary),</span></div>

<div><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">The Mohammed Code (“A terrifying book…the best book I’ve read on Islam.” David Swindle, PJ Media), and</span></div>

<div><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">Einstein, Michael Jackson & Me: a Search  for Soul in the Power Pits of Rock & Roll ("Amazing. The writing is revelatory." Freddy DeMann, manager of Michael Jackson and Madonna).</span></div>

<div><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">A Quartz Magazine Pro</span></div>

<div><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">Former Visiting Scholar, Graduate Psychology Department, New York University, Former Core Faculty Member, The Graduate Institute; Current Kepler Space Institute Senior Scholar.</span></div>

<div><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">Founder: International Paleopsychology Project. Founder, Space Development Steering Committee.  Member Of Board Of Governors, National Space Society. Founding Board Member: Epic of Evolution Society. Founding Board Member, The Darwin Project.</span></div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es><br>
To: 'fis' <fis@listas.unizar.es><br>
Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2020 4:07 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fis] 10 Principles<br>
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<div class="yiv0236208315moz-cite-prefix">Dear List,</div>

    
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<div class="yiv0236208315moz-cite-prefix">I am responding to Moisés having in
      mind some good points mainly from Marcus and Krassimir (not to
      forget Yixin, Loet, and many others). There could be a top-down
      approach to establish, say, some general 10 points (or better, a
      series of basic principles). And also a complementary view of
      establishing particular bottom-up tables for different
      disciplines, as Moisés discusses. It is not contradictory.  At the
      time being, however, trying to establish clear and cut general
      classifications of information may be premature and not very
      practical. It is inevitable that our own particular approaches are
      colored by the main expertise each one has. In my own case, I do
      not mean "biology" but LIFE. It is very different. The genuine
      properties of information appear with life: the capability to
      persist and react and relate according to inner drives unseen in
      inanimate matter. The expansion of biotic realms and the further
      generation of more and more complexity brings forth more and more
      forms of information (& meaning, & knowledge, languages,
      etc.). Thus we may speak of an "informational way of existence"
      that in different ways manifests in cells, organisms, societies,
      companies, institutions, etc. Grasping its essentials could
      seemingly be done in both bottom-up and top down. <br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv0236208315moz-cite-prefix">Then, a little bit from our bacterial
      grand-grand-mothers. When they feed (on their basic staples) they
      ingest them from the environment via specialized pumps and
      transporters. But before fabricating those transporters, they have
      to detect the existence of the substance in question. And they do
      that via specialized receptors (1-2-3 component systems); with
      them they can also communicate with conspecifics or interfere with
      rival species, and many other things. Jorge Navarro and me
      compiled a couple of good reviews about those signaling systems.
      Thus, there is a genuine energy flow that is entered into the
      bacterial system, yes, but it is supported and intertwined with an
      information flow that continuously tells the system about its
      external and internal environs. It is not so different from the
      way we vertebrates have our own flows. On the one side, we have a
      digestive tube to catch free energy from our food, plus another
      tube, all along the Central Nervous System from the brain to the
      end of the spine (full of the cerebrospinal fluid) to catch
      information. It is an ancestral trait, say, derived from
      prechordates. One tube processes the energy flow, the other
      processes the information flow. Not to forget that in both the
      bacterial and the vertebrate the energy&info flows are the
      necessary support of a life cycle in progress. To emphasize the
      latter: the life cycle has a towering presence in all the
      informational existential arrangements (not in abstract, it is
      just our private lives!)<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv0236208315moz-cite-prefix">That preamble (with far more adornment)
      could be the basis of a new way of thinking that properly deployed
      would lead, or would condense, in some renewed 10 principles--or
      more realistic, just 10 points. So, rather than repeating the
      tautology (info is info), I suggest that Point 1 and 2 could be
      something like this:</div>

    
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<div class="yiv0236208315moz-cite-prefix">1. Information as such: distinction of
      a difference.</div>

    
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<div class="yiv0236208315moz-cite-prefix">2. Information processes: addressed to
      signaling&communication, and potentially involving the stages
      of generation, encoding, emission, transmission channel,
      reception, decoding/processing, meaning, response.</div>

    
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<div class="yiv0236208315moz-cite-prefix">3. to be continued...<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv0236208315moz-cite-prefix">Greetings to all</div>

    
<div class="yiv0236208315moz-cite-prefix">--Pedro<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv0236208315moz-cite-prefix">El 05/07/2020 a las 16:30, Moisés André
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<div>Dear friends.<br clear="none">
            It is very nice to hear from you and I hope everybody is
            well and healthy.<br clear="none">
            The 10 principles table is amazing. I love good and
            intelligent summarizations :-)<br clear="none">
            But it is important to remember that the concept of
            information is context dependent (for example: biological,
            physical, social, philosophical, etc.)<br clear="none">
            So, in my opinion, it should have "n" tables, one for each
            context.<br clear="none">
            These tables may be related, forming a classification or
            even an ontology.<br clear="none">
            For those who believe that the concept of information can be
            unified, I guess that the construction of these tables would
            be the first step.<br clear="none">
            We are 102 specialists in the FIS list. Wouldn't be an
            interesting collective project to build this
            multidimensional object composed of tables with
            interdisciplinary connections?<br clear="none">
            What do you think?<br clear="none">
            Cheers<br clear="none">
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<div>Moisés</div>

          
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<div class="yiv0236208315gmail_attr" dir="ltr">Em dom., 28 de jun. de 2020 às
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<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Dear
                    Krassimir, </span></div>

                
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<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">I
                    find it difficult to follow. I added some comments
                    and questions?</span></div>

                
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<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Best,</span></div>

                
<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Loet</span></div>

                
<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div>

                <table style="border-collapse:collapse;border:none;" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="1"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="width:281.25pt;border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0in 5.4pt;" width="375">
                        
<div align="center" class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;"><b>1. Information is a primary
                            concept</b></div>

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<div align="center" class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;"><b>2. Information is a
                            secondary concept</b></div>

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<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal">1. Information  <font color="#ff0000">can be considered</font> as
                           information, neither matter nor energy.</div>

                        
<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal"><font color="#ff0000">Matter
                            is expressed as mass (e.g. kilograms).
                            Energy in Watts; information in
                            dimensionless bits. </font></div>

                      </td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="width:319.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0in 5.4pt;" width="426">
                        
<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal">1. Information is a class
                          of reflections in material entities. Not every
                          reflection is information. <b><i>Only </i></b><b><i><span style="color:red;">subjectively
                                comprehended </span></i></b><b><i>reflections
                              are information. Not comprehended
                              reflections are data.</i></b></div>

                        
<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal"><b><font color="#ff0000">Why
                              subjectively? Why “data” instead of
                              information.</font></b></div>

                        
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                            </font></b></div>

                        
<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal"><b><font color="#ff0000">It
                              seems that there can be mutual information
                              between information and reflections? -:)</font></b></div>

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<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal">2. Information is <span style="color:red;">comprehended </span>into
                          structures, patterns, messages, or flows. <font color="#ff0000">What do you mean with
                            “comprehended”? Who is comprehending?</font></div>

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<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal">2. Reflections may be
                          comprehended as structures, patterns,
                          messages, flows, etc.</div>

                        
<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal"><font color="#ff0000">What
                            is reflected by whom </font></div>

                        
<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal"><font color="#ff0000">Or is
                            this universally the case? </font></div>

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<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal">3. Information can be
                          recognized, can be measured, and can be 
                          processed (either computationally or
                          non-computationally).</div>

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<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal">3. Reflections can be
                          recognized, can be measured—<font color="#ff0000">what is the dimensionality</font>?
                          How can it be measured? , and can be processed
                          (either computationally or
                          non-computationally).</div>

                        
<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal"><font color="#ff0000">The
                            measurement is not clear. </font></div>

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<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal">4. <span style="color:red;">Information
                          </span>(i<font color="#ff0000">t seems to me
                            that these are entropy and energy flows</font>)
                          flows are essential organizers of life's
                          self-production processes--anticipating,
                          shaping, and <span style="color:red;">mixing </span>up
                          (vague) with the accompanying energy flows.</div>

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<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal">4. Reflection flows are
                          essential organizers of life's self-production
                          processes--anticipating, shaping, and mixing
                          up with the accompanying energy flows.</div>

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<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal">5.
                          Communication/information exchanges among
                          adaptive life-cycles underlie the complexity
                          of biological organizations at all scales.<span style="color:red;">Perhaps even beyond
                            biology.</span><span style="color:red;"></span></div>

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<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal">5. Communication is based
                          on special kind of reflections created by one
                          entity and reflected by a second one. This
                          way, the reflections comprehended as
                          information by the first entity may be
                          secondary reflected by the second one. Such
                          information exchanges among adaptive
                          life-cycles underlie the complexity of
                          biological organizations at all scales.</div>

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<div>Subject: [Fis] 10 Principles</div>

            
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<div><font size="4">Dear Marcus and FIS Colleagues,<br clear="none">
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<div><font size="4">From my point of view the main
                        choice which has to be made in the very
                        beginning is between two opposite cases:</font></div>

                    
<div><font size="4">1. <b>Information is a primary
                          concept</b></font></div>

                    
<div><font size="4"><b>2. </b><b>Information is a
                          secondary concept</b></font></div>

                    
<div><font size="4">This is fundamental choice which
                        cause all further work.</font></div>

                    
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                        As I already had pointed, if information is a
                        primary concept than no theories about
                        information can be created. One may create many
                        other theories for EVERYTHING but not for
                        information. Only infinite variety of examples
                        may be created but not fruitful theory and
                        discussions. For instance, the religious
                        approach belong to this class.</font></div>

                    
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                        The second case gives us possibility to create
                        theories ABOUT information starting from one or
                        more other primary concepts.</font></div>

                    
<div><font size="4">I prefer the second case. The
                        primary concepts I have used are Entity and
                        Relationship (<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" title="http://www.foibg.com/ijita/vol14/ijita14-1-p01.pdf" target="_blank" href="http://www.foibg.com/ijita/vol14/ijita14-1-p01.pdf">http://www.foibg.com/ijita/vol14/ijita14-1-p01.pdf</a>),
                        and Reflection as a result of interaction
                        between entities.<br clear="none">
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                        To illustrate the difference between two cases,
                        let see the first 5 principles of Pedro in the
                        two variants: </font></div>

                    
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                    <table style="border-width:medium;border-style:none;border-color:initial;border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(0,0,0);" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="1"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="border-width:1pt;border-style:solid;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;" width="375">
                            
<div align="center" class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal;"><b><font face="Times New Roman">1. Information
                                  is a primary concept</font></b></div>

                          </td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="border-width:1pt 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:solid solid solid none;border-top-color:windowtext;border-right-color:windowtext;border-bottom-color:windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;border-left-color:initial;" width="426">
                            
<div align="center" class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal;"><b><font face="Times New Roman">2. Information
                                  is a secondary concept</font></b></div>

                          </td></tr><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-top-color:initial;border-right-color:windowtext;border-bottom-color:windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;border-left-color:windowtext;" width="375">
                            
<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal;"><font face="Times                                 New Roman">1. Information is
                                information, neither matter nor energy.</font></div>

                          </td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-top-color:initial;border-right-color:windowtext;border-bottom-color:windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;border-left-color:initial;" width="426">
                            
<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal;"><font face="Times                                 New Roman">1. Information is a class of
                                reflections in material entities. Not
                                every reflection is information. <b><i>Only
                                    subjectively comprehended
                                    reflections are information. Not
                                    comprehended reflections are data.</i></b></font></div>

                          </td></tr><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-top-color:initial;border-right-color:windowtext;border-bottom-color:windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;border-left-color:windowtext;" width="375">
                            
<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal;"><font face="Times                                 New Roman">2. Information is
                                comprehended into structures, patterns,
                                messages, or flows.</font></div>

                          </td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-top-color:initial;border-right-color:windowtext;border-bottom-color:windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;border-left-color:initial;" width="426">
                            
<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal;"><font face="Times                                 New Roman">2. Reflections may be
                                comprehended as structures, patterns,
                                messages, flows, etc.</font></div>

                          </td></tr><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-top-color:initial;border-right-color:windowtext;border-bottom-color:windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;border-left-color:windowtext;" width="375">
                            
<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal;"><font face="Times                                 New Roman">3. Information can be
                                recognized, can be measured, and can be 
                                processed (either computationally or
                                non-computationally).</font></div>

                          </td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-top-color:initial;border-right-color:windowtext;border-bottom-color:windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;border-left-color:initial;" width="426">
                            
<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal;"><font face="Times                                 New Roman">3. Reflections can be
                                recognized, can be measured, and can be
                                processed (either computationally or
                                non-computationally).</font></div>

                          </td></tr><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-top-color:initial;border-right-color:windowtext;border-bottom-color:windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;border-left-color:windowtext;" width="375">
                            
<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal;"><font face="Times                                 New Roman">4. Information flows are
                                essential organizers of life's
                                self-production processes--anticipating,
                                shaping, and mixing up with the
                                accompanying energy flows.</font></div>

                          </td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-top-color:initial;border-right-color:windowtext;border-bottom-color:windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;border-left-color:initial;" width="426">
                            
<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal;"><font face="Times                                 New Roman">4. Reflection flows are
                                essential organizers of life's
                                self-production processes--anticipating,
                                shaping, and mixing up with the
                                accompanying energy flows.</font></div>

                          </td></tr><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-top-color:initial;border-right-color:windowtext;border-bottom-color:windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;border-left-color:windowtext;" width="375">
                            
<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal;"><font face="Times                                 New Roman">5. Communication/information
                                exchanges among adaptive life-cycles
                                underlie the complexity of biological
                                organizations at all scales.</font></div>

                          </td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-top-color:initial;border-right-color:windowtext;border-bottom-color:windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;border-left-color:initial;" width="426">
                            
<div class="yiv0236208315MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal;"><font face="Times                                 New Roman">5. Communication is based on
                                special kind of reflections created by
                                one entity and reflected by a second
                                one. This way, the reflections
                                comprehended as information by the first
                                entity may be secondary reflected by the
                                second one. Such information exchanges
                                among adaptive life-cycles underlie the
                                complexity of biological organizations
                                at all scales.</font></div>

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<div><font size="4">I am afraid that many of FIS
                        members prefer the first case. <br clear="none">
                        I do not know who prefer the second one beside
                        me. If such ones exist, please write to me and
                        we will continue the productive common work. </font></div>

                    
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<div><font size="4">Friendly greetings</font></div>

                    
<div><font size="4">Krassimir</font></div>

                    
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