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<p class="gmail-p1"><span class="gmail-s1">Joseph: I agree, but in my view your correct expression, “while the potential is unfolding” has two significant consequences: the process is neither instantaneous nor spontaneous. In the Lupasco view of dynamics, a potential ‘unfolds’ against some actual resistance to that unfolding, and the effects, in almost the same language, emerge, actualized, as a consequence of that opposition. The word “only” to modify “at the same time” is justified for simple processes which <i>do</i> go to an ideal limit of 0 or 1, <i>not</i> for complex, informational processes. Is there an ‘end’ to this dialogue?! And is information not present throughout it?</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p2"><span class="gmail-s1">STAN: Yes. I am satisfied that I understand your general approach, and that I have elicited some pertinent responses to queries.</span></p><p class="gmail-p2"><span class="gmail-s1">S</span></p></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:07 PM Joseph Brenner <<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'Lucida Sans Unicode';color:navy">Stan and Krassimir – your comments go directly to the heart
of the ‘dynamic opposition’ which Lupasco postulated. Each part of
your statements is capable of an alternative interpretation which does not ‘prove’
but keeps open my picture. I will start with Krassimir’s ‘language’.
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:navy"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'Lucida Sans Unicode'">We do indeed need a ‘third
concept’, but it can be a process concept rather than a state
concept, for which the term ‘digit’ is fine.<u></u><u></u></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:navy"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'Lucida Sans Unicode'">However, the result is not a ‘dialectical
unity’, which for me is another inert abstraction. One needs a
process term that includes the entire world-line of the emergence.<u></u><u></u></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:navy"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'Lucida Sans Unicode'">The terms ‘reflection’
and ‘mental models’ can be collapsed into the actual and
potential aspects of the information process. These are part of or inhere
in the process Stan calls ‘unfolding’, but the new entity that
emerges is not cut off from its precursors. In a complex process it is
present (actual) together with the<i><span style="font-style:italic"> </span></i>potential
for further emergence. <u></u><u></u></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:navy"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'Lucida Sans Unicode'">I would never say, and have
never said, that ALL information or other processes operate <i><span style="font-style:italic">via </span></i>an unfolding – resistance to
unfolding pattern. This is neither correct nor NECESSARY. This does not
happen or have to happen ALWAYS. Please just consider with me, if you
would, those complex, non-algorithmic processes where it DOES. <u></u><u></u></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:navy"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'Lucida Sans Unicode'">The two approaches can go
happily off into the sunset together, but not alone.<u></u><u></u></span></font></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'Lucida Sans Unicode';color:navy">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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Fis [mailto:<a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Stanley N Salthe<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> mercredi, 8 juillet 2020
21:00<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> fis<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fis] [External
Email] A little methodical remark</span></font><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_1041886933312064944gmail-p1"><span><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Joseph -- What you have added here, as I understand
it, is the </span></font></span><span>idea of
‘resistance’ to an unfolding of a physical potential in an
interaction involving (or maybe only triggered by) it. I’m unsure of
whether there is ALWAYS resistance (implied by you via Lupasco), and to what
extent that resistance could modify or even nullify the potential via the
interaction, thus leading to an emergence where the potential has been
effectively screened out.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="gmail-m_1041886933312064944gmail-p1"><span><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">STAN</span></font></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 1:35 PM Krassimir Markov <<a href="mailto:markov@foibg.com" target="_blank">markov@foibg.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">Thank you very much
for the nice posts!</span></font><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">Please excuse me for
the delay of my current post!</span></font><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">During the last weeks
I had been occupied with organizing the ITHEA® ITA 2020 International
Scientific Events, including the GIT 2020 Int. conference. </span></font><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">Now, I want to make a
little methodical remark.</span></font><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">If we take 0 and 1 as
phenomena which we want to investigate we have to make choice.</span></font><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">To take 0 as primary
concept and to try to explain 1 by it or vice versa.</span></font><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">Our two concepts
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">We need a third
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">In mathematics this
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">The same problem was
pointed by Stan. The dialectical unity of two opposite states.</span></font><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">Following the reasons
given above, we can solve the problem with dualism of concept
“Information” by taking an other concept as primary.</span></font><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">Such concept for me is
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">As I already had
written, the information and data are kinds of reflection which differ only on
the basis of subject’s or agent’s possibility to connect the
reflection to other his/her mental models.</span></font><font size="4" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_1041886933312064944gmail-m992472945134952413gmail-p1"><font size="3" color="black" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Lucida Sans Unicode';color:black">Stan: Krassimir: “Is information
primary or derived/secondary?” My (Stan’s) restatement is:
"Is information, as physical form, potential? -- or emergent upon having
an effect? This formulation shows that there is no difference between these
concepts.”</span></font><font color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="gmail-m_1041886933312064944gmail-m992472945134952413gmail-p2"><font size="3" color="black" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Lucida Sans Unicode';color:black">Joseph: HOW is it both? What does it mean
“to be both” at the same time? </span></font><font color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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‘in itself’, which (at any moment) is timeless, and is
Krassimir’s “primary information”. </span></font><font color="black" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:'Lucida Sans Unicode';color:black">While my “having an effect”
refers to a particular moment when a primary physical form is acting, or being
acted upon, when its form may have consequences, or become consequential. In
this event its form generates “derived/secondary information". </span></font><font color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="gmail-m_1041886933312064944gmail-m992472945134952413gmail-p3"><font size="3" color="black" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Lucida Sans Unicode';color:black">Joseph: This is what requires explication
and where I think Lupasco had something to offer, in his basic principle of
dynamic opposition (Stan: generating “derived/secondary information).
This is no more and no less than that a falling object instantiates kinetic and
potential energy at the same time (Stan: That is, its primary form still
exists, even if deformed), except that real complex processes do not
“fall to the bottom” (no 0 nor 1).</span></font><font color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_1041886933312064944gmail-m992472945134952413gmail-m-9089009825757674525gmail-p4"><font size="3" color="black" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Lucida Sans Unicode';color:black">Stan:
Effects necessarily emerge from potentials (IF they emerge at all). But are
both potential and emergent 'at the same time' only while the potential is
unfolding: a physical situation embodies a potential, which can inform. When/if
that potential unfolds the potential is realized, and emerges in its effects.</span></font><font color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="gmail-m_1041886933312064944gmail-m992472945134952413gmail-m-9089009825757674525gmail-p4"><font size="3" color="black" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Lucida Sans Unicode';color:black">Joseph:
I agree, but in my view your correct expression, “while the potential is
unfolding” has two significant consequences: the process is neither
instantaneous nor spontaneous. In the Lupasco view of dynamics, a potential
‘unfolds’ against some actual resistance to that unfolding, and the
effects, in almost the same language, emerge, actualized, as a consequence of
that opposition. The word “only” to modify “at the same
time” is justified for simple processes which <i><span style="font-style:italic">do</span></i> go to an ideal limit of 0 or 1, <i><span style="font-style:italic">not</span></i> for complex, informational processes.
Is there an ‘end’ to this dialogue?! And is information not present
throughout it?</span></font><font color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="gmail-m_1041886933312064944gmail-m992472945134952413gmail-m-9089009825757674525gmail-p4"><font size="3" color="black" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Lucida Sans Unicode';color:black">Cheers,</span></font><font color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="gmail-m_1041886933312064944gmail-m992472945134952413gmail-m-9089009825757674525gmail-p4"><font size="3" color="black" face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Lucida Sans Unicode';color:black">Joseph</span></font><font color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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