<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Dear Francesco,<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">This is the translation of your message using
the internet, since my best Italian is not good enough to translate your
message,<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN" style="color:black">Dear all,</span><span style="color:black"><span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN" style="color:black">careful to think that the economy has no
fundamental or primitive principles. The Logic actually of Lupasco-Brenner
is developed in the New Economic Science, of which they are among the few
proponents. In any case, you should not make the mistake of confusing economic
activity (so-called, sometimes improperly) with economic theory.</span><span style="color:black"><span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN" style="color:black">Good dialogue, using a few words, because otherwise
it is impossible and you run a greater risk of saying questionable things.</span><span style="color:black"><span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN" style="color:black">A greeting wish.</span><span style="color:black"><span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span lang="EN" style="color:black">Francesco</span><span style="color:black"><span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I agree that economic activity is not
economic theory. I might not agree that there are no fundamental or primitive
principles, since we all have to eat. And for that, labour is a prerequisite.
But again, I need to familiarize myself more with </span><span lang="EN" style="color:black">the “Logic of Lupasco-Brenner” to comment beyond that.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Kind regards,<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Jaime<span></span></span></p></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:52 AM Francesco Rizzo <<a href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com">13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Cari tutti,<div>attenti a pensare che l'economia non abbia principi fondamentali o primitivi. La Logica in realtà di Lupasco-Brenner è sviluppata</div><div>nella Nuova scienza economica, di cui sono tra i pochi propositori. In ogni caso, non bisogna commettere l'errore di confondere</div><div>l'attività (cosiddetta, talvolta impropriamente) economica, con la teoria economica.</div><div>Buon dialogo, usando poche parole, perchè altrimenti è impossibile e si corre un maggiore rischio di dire cose discutibili.</div><div>Un saluto augurale.</div><div>Francesco.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno gio 9 lug 2020 alle ore 15:57 Jaime Cardenas-Garcia <<a href="mailto:jfcardenasgarcia@gmail.com" target="_blank">jfcardenasgarcia@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Dear Marcus,<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">As to your third point, I assume you are
talking about César A. Hidalgo. If you recall my post, it was in response to a
post by Pedro. So that is the context. As to how thermodynamics impacts César’s
work, that is something he is in a better position to answer than I. What I
attempted to show was his expertise in an all-encompassing view of economic,
technological innovation and other interconnections in any society. Sometimes what is left unsaid also carries
information.<span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> My own interest in thermodynamics, apart from that of a mechanical
engineer, is negligible in the science of information. There is a story that
might be apocryphal about the time Claude Shannon was working on his theory of
communication where he did not know how to categorize his logarithmic equation.
It appears Von Neumann was nearby and suggested that he call it entropy, since it
sounded exotic and no one really knew what entropy was all about. The rest is
history. I have never really engaged with entropy since I have not seen that it
has a bearing on my approach to information. Therefore, I have not given much
thought to its role in the science of information. Maybe at some point in time,
if I decide that it adds much to my musings, I will engage with its significance.
I should note that Bateson kind of hit a stone wall when he started using
negative entropy as a way to explain information. <span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Kind regards,<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Jaime<span></span></span></p></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 8:32 AM Marcus Abundis <<a href="mailto:55mrcs@gmail.com" target="_blank">55mrcs@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I am unsure how best to respond to your post.<div>I easily understand a wish to have one's name spelled correctly, as I wish the same for myself (Karl J. can testify), but a simple corrective note is all that was needed.</div><div><br></div><div>As to the substance of your response, you show yourself to prefer an ad hominem line of logic, which I understand is the bane of scientific discourse. You do this in 1) imagining a personal insult where none was intended (innocently interposed I and M), 2) by inciting an insulting context [mental laziness, really?!], and 3) citing a long list of presumed qualifications for the author in question. You do this rather than exploring (or supporting) YOURSELF how thermodynamic entropy might surpass four fundamental forces in physics (always interested in new ideas). We plainly have different ideas of what mental laziness looks like . . .</div><div><br></div><div>Lastyl, I have already touched on this issue with T. Deacon (privately) and he has since moved on to a more `open systems' world view, rather than the `closed' view Botlzmann's thermodynamic laws stipulate. That said, I also think `the story is unfinished', so I still keep a watchful eye on this matter.<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div><font color="#333333" face="proxima-nova-1, proxima-nova-2, Tahoma, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px">Marcus</span></font></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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