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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>Dear Friends,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=gmail-p1><span class=gmail-s1><font size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>A short dialogue:<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=gmail-p1><span class=gmail-s1><font size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>Stan: Krassimir:
“Is information primary or derived/secondary?” My (Stan’s)
restatement is: "Is information, as physical form, potential? -- or
emergent upon having an effect? This formulation shows that there is no
difference between these concepts.”</span></font></span><font
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=gmail-p2><span class=gmail-s1><font size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>Joseph: </span></font></span><font
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>HOW
is it both? What does it mean “to be both” at the same time? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=gmail-p5><span class=gmail-s1><font size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>Stan: My
“potential” refers to ‘in itself’, which (at any
moment) is timeless, and is Krassimir’s “primary
information”.</span></font></span><span class=gmail-s1><font
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>
</span></font></span><span class=gmail-s1><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>While my “having an
effect” refers to a particular moment when a primary physical form is
acting, or being acted upon, when its form may have consequences, or become
consequential. In this event its form generates “derived/secondary
information". <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=gmail-p3><span class=gmail-s1><font size=3 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>Joseph:
This is what requires explication and where I think Lupasco had something to
offer, in his basic principle of dynamic opposition </span></font></span><span
class=gmail-s2><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>(Stan: generating
“derived/secondary information)</span></font></span><span class=gmail-s1><font
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>.
This is no more and no less than that a falling object instantiates kinetic and
potential energy at the same time </span></font></span><span class=gmail-s2><font
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>(Stan:
That is, its primary form still exists, even if deformed)</span></font></span><span
class=gmail-s1><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>, except that real complex processes
do not “fall to the bottom” (no 0 nor 1).</span></font></span><font
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=gmail-m-9089009825757674525gmail-p4><font size=3
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>Stan: Effects necessarily emerge from potentials
(IF they emerge at all). But are both potential and emergent 'at the same time'
only while the potential is unfolding: a physical situation embodies a
potential, which can inform. When/if that potential unfolds the potential
is realized, and emerges in its effects.</span></font><font
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span style='font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=gmail-m-9089009825757674525gmail-p4><font size=3
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>Joseph: I agree, but in my view your correct expression,
“while the potential is unfolding” has two significant
consequences: the process is neither instantaneous nor spontaneous. In the
Lupasco view of dynamics, a potential ‘unfolds’ against some actual
resistance to that unfolding, and the effects, in almost the same language,
emerge, actualized, as a consequence of that opposition. The word
“only” to modify “at the same time” is justified for
simple processes which <i><span style='font-style:italic'>do</span></i> go to
an ideal limit of 0 or 1, <i><span style='font-style:italic'>not</span></i> for
complex, informational processes. Is there an ‘end’ to this
dialogue?! And is information not present throughout it?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=gmail-m-9089009825757674525gmail-p4><font size=3
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=gmail-m-9089009825757674525gmail-p4><font size=3
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>Joseph<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=gmail-m-9089009825757674525gmail-p4><font size=3
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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