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<p><span>Dear Krassimir, Loet and Bruno,</span></p>
<p><span>Previously, I posted links to two recently published papers that might
be of interest. Their titles and abstracts are given below. </span></p>
<p><span>They relate to a fundamental perspective on information that points to a
novel generic paradigm of information that treats information as a <b>secondary
concept</b> that allows discovery of information as a <b>primary concept</b>. I
would even venture to say that it subsumes Shannon information. Its basis is Bateson’s
‘difference which makes a difference’ allowing the discovery of the process for
information as info-autopoiesis that includes objective/syntactic and
subjective/semantic aspects. I welcome your engagement with the content of
these papers.</span></p>
<p align="left" style="text-align:left"><b><span lang="X-NONE" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Bateson Information Revisited: A New Paradigm</span></b></p>
<p><b><span>Abstract</span></b><span>: The goal of this work is to explain a novel information paradigm
claiming that all information results from a process, intrinsic to living
beings, of self-production; a sensory commensurable, self-referential feedback
process immanent to Bateson’s difference that makes a difference. To highlight
and illustrate this fundamental process, a simulation based on one-parameter
feedback is presented. It simulates a homeorhetic process, innate to organisms,
illustrating a self-referenced, autonomous system. The illustrated recursive
process is sufficiently generic to be the only basis for information in nature:
from the single cell, to multi-cellular organisms, to consideration of all
types of natural and non-natural phenomena, including tools and artificial
constructions.</span></p>
<p align="left" style="text-align:left"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">The
link is: </span><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://www.mdpi.com/2504-3900/47/1/5"><span lang="EN-US">https://www.mdpi.com/2504-3900/47/1/5</span></a></span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"> </span></p>
<p align="left" style="text-align:left"><b><span lang="X-NONE" style="color:rgb(19,20,19)">The Process of Info-Autopoiesis – the Source</span></b><b><span lang="X-NONE" style="color:rgb(19,20,19)"> </span></b><b><span lang="X-NONE" style="color:rgb(19,20,19)">of all Information</span></b><b><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"></span></b></p>
<p style="line-height:16pt"><b><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Abstract</span></b><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">: </span><span>All information results from a process, intrinsic
to living beings, of info-autopoiesis or information self-production; a sensory
commensurable, self-referential feedback process immanent to Bateson’s
‘difference which makes a difference’. To highlight and illustrate the
fundamental nature of the info-autopoietic process, initially, two simulations
based on one-parameter feedback are presented. The first, simulates a
homeostatic control mechanism (thermostat) which is representative of a
mechanistic, cybernetic system with very predictable dynamics, fully dependent
on an external referent. The second, simulates a homeorhetic process, inherent
to biological systems, illustrating a self-referenced, autonomous system.
Further, the active incorporation/interference of viral particles by
prokaryotic cells and the activation of CRISPR-Cas can be understood as
info-autopoiesis at the most fundamental cellular level, as well as constituting
a planetary network of self-referenced information. Moreover, other examples of
the info-autopoietic nature of information are presented to show the generality
of its applicability. In short, info-autopoiesis is a recursive process that is
sufficiently generic to be the only basis for information in nature: from the
single cell, to multi-cellular organisms, to consideration of all types of
natural and non-natural phenomena, including tools and artificial constructions.</span></p>
<p align="left" style="text-align:left"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">The
link is: </span><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://rdcu.be/b4dnU"><span lang="EN-US">https://rdcu.be/b4dnU</span></a></span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"> </span><span lang="X-NONE" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Kind Regards,</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Jaime</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<div><font size="4">Dear Loet,</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Thank you for yours remarks and questions!</font></div>
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<div><font size="4">About point <b>1. Information is a primary concept</b><u></u><u></u></font></div>
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anything. These principles were proposed by Pedro and maybe he would
answer.</font></div>
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<div style="font:10pt tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><font face="Calibri"><font size="4">Point <b>2.
Information is a secondary concept</b><u></u><u></u></font></font></div>
<div style="font:10pt tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><font face="Calibri" size="4">is written to show some
differences.</font></div>
<div style="font:10pt tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><font face="Calibri" size="4"></font> </div>
<div style="font:10pt tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><font face="Calibri" size="4">These two points
correspond to the different paradigms about concept information.</font></div>
<div style="font:10pt tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><font face="Calibri" size="4">The first one is based
on understanding that the information exists independently of consciousness and
it is everywhere. This is so called “Attributive paradigm”.</font></div>
<div style="font:10pt tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><font face="Calibri" size="4">The second one is the
“Subjective paradigm” which is based on understanding that information is a
result from consciousness processing and exists only in its memory.</font></div>
<div style="font:10pt tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><font face="Calibri" size="4">So, it is clear, I
belong to the second paradigm.</font></div>
<div style="font:10pt tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><font face="Calibri" size="4"></font> </div>
<div style="font:10pt tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><font color="#ff0000" face="Calibri" size="4">Why
“data” instead of information? </font></div>
<div style="font:10pt tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri" size="4">The “Data“ and “Information” are dialectically interconnected.
<br>The same reflection is Data or Information depending of the subjective
interconnections between internal mental models and it.</font></font></div>
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<div style="font:10pt tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><font style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><font face="Calibri"><font size="4">What is reflected by whom? <font color="#000000">The reflection for the Subject is what is activated on its
receptors. So, the subject, or INFOS, reflects states of its external and
internal sensors.</font></font></font></font></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="4"><font style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">The measurement is not clear.<font color="#000000"> Yes!
What is happen in the consciousness is still not known. But for practical needs
we already used differed structures and distances. There is nice work of Deza
and Deza called “Encyclopedia of </font></font><font><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">distances” published by Springer. In addition you
may see the ITHEA book “Mathematics of distances” <a><font>http://foibg.com/ibs_isc/ibs-25/ibs-25.htm</font></a> <font>.</font> </font></font></font></p>
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<div style="font:10pt tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><font face="Calibri" size="4">You are welcome for
further questions and remarks!</font></div>
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<div style="font:10pt tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><font face="Calibri" size="4">Friendly
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<div style="font:10pt tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><font face="Calibri" size="4">Krassimir</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="loet@leydesdorff.net" href="mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net" target="_blank">Loet Leydesdorff</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 28, 2020 8:57 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="markov@foibg.com" href="mailto:markov@foibg.com" target="_blank">Krassimir Markov</a> ; <a title="fis@listas.unizar.es" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">FIS</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] 10 Principles</div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14pt">Dear Krassimir,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14pt">I find it difficult to
follow. I added some comments and questions?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14pt">Best,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14pt">Loet</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1. Information <font color="#ff0000">can be
considered</font> as information, neither matter nor energy.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#ff0000">Matter is expressed as mass (e.g.
kilograms). Energy in Watts; information in dimensionless bits.
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<p class="MsoNormal">1. Information is a class of reflections in material
entities. Not every reflection is information. <b><i>Only
</i></b><b><i><span style="color:red">subjectively
comprehended </span></i></b><b><i>reflections are information. Not
comprehended reflections are data.<u></u><u></u></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="#ff0000">Why subjectively? Why “data”
instead of information.</font><u></u><u></u></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="#ff0000">It seems that there can be
mutual information between information and reflections?
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<p class="MsoNormal">2. Information is <span style="color:red">comprehended
</span>into structures, patterns, messages, or flows. <font color="#ff0000">What do you mean with “comprehended”? Who is
comprehending?</font><u></u><u></u></p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2. Reflections may be comprehended as structures,
patterns, messages, flows, etc.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#ff0000">What is reflected by whom
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#ff0000">Or is this universally the case?
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<p class="MsoNormal">3. Information can be recognized, can be measured, and
can be processed (either computationally or
non-computationally).<u></u><u></u></p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal">3. Reflections can be recognized, can be measured—<font color="#ff0000">what is the dimensionality</font>? How can it be measured? ,
and can be processed (either computationally or non-computationally).<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#ff0000">The measurement is not clear.
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<p class="MsoNormal">4. <span style="color:red">Information
</span>(i<font color="#ff0000">t seems to me that these are entropy and
energy flows</font>) flows are essential organizers of life's
self-production processes--anticipating, shaping, and <span style="color:red">mixing
</span>up (vague) with the accompanying energy flows.<u></u><u></u></p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal">4. Reflection flows are essential organizers of life's
self-production processes--anticipating, shaping, and mixing up with the
accompanying energy flows.<u></u><u></u></p></td></tr>
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<p class="MsoNormal">5. Communication/information exchanges among adaptive
life-cycles underlie the complexity of biological organizations at all
scales.<span style="color:red">Perhaps
even beyond biology.</span><span style="color:red"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal">5. Communication is based on special kind of
reflections created by one entity and reflected by a second one. This way,
the reflections comprehended as information by the first entity may be
secondary reflected by the second one. Such information exchanges among
adaptive life-cycles underlie the complexity of biological organizations
at all scales.<u></u><u></u></p></td></tr></tbody></table>
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<div>From: "Krassimir Markov" <<a href="mailto:markov@foibg.com" target="_blank">markov@foibg.com</a>></div>
<div>To: "FIS" <<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>></div>
<div>Sent: 6/28/2020 3:46:22 PM</div>
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<div><font size="4">Dear Marcus and FIS Colleagues,<br></font></div>
<div><font size="4">From my point of view the main choice which has to be made
in the very beginning is between two opposite cases:</font></div>
<div><font size="4">1. <b>Information is a primary concept</b></font></div>
<div><font size="4"><b>2. </b><b>Information is a secondary
concept</b></font></div>
<div><font size="4">This is fundamental choice which cause all further
work.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"><br>As I already had pointed, if information is a primary
concept than no theories about information can be created. One may create many
other theories for EVERYTHING but not for information. Only infinite variety
of examples may be created but not fruitful theory and discussions. For
instance, the religious approach belong to this class.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"><br>The second case gives us possibility to create theories
ABOUT information starting from one or more other primary
concepts.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">I prefer the second case. The primary concepts I have used
are Entity and Relationship (<a title="http://www.foibg.com/ijita/vol14/ijita14-1-p01.pdf" href="http://www.foibg.com/ijita/vol14/ijita14-1-p01.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.foibg.com/ijita/vol14/ijita14-1-p01.pdf</a>),
and Reflection as a result of interaction between entities.<br><br>To
illustrate the difference between two cases, let see the first 5 principles of
Pedro in the two variants: </font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<table style="border:medium;color:rgb(0,0,0);border-collapse:collapse" border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td width="375" valign="top" style="padding:0cm 5.4pt;border:1pt solid windowtext">
<p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal"><b><font face="Times New Roman">1. Information is a primary
concept</font></b></p></td>
<td width="426" valign="top" style="border-width:1pt 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:solid solid solid none;border-color:windowtext windowtext windowtext currentColor;padding:0cm 5.4pt">
<p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal"><b><font face="Times New Roman">2. Information is a
secondary concept</font></b></p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td width="375" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-color:currentColor windowtext windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal"><font face="Times New Roman">1. Information is information, neither matter nor
energy.</font></p></td>
<td width="426" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-color:currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor;padding:0cm 5.4pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal"><font face="Times New Roman">1. Information is a class of reflections in
material entities. Not every reflection is information. <b><i>Only subjectively comprehended
reflections are information. Not comprehended reflections are
data.</i></b></font></p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td width="375" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-color:currentColor windowtext windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal"><font face="Times New Roman">2. Information is comprehended into structures,
patterns, messages, or flows.</font></p></td>
<td width="426" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-color:currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor;padding:0cm 5.4pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal"><font face="Times New Roman">2. Reflections may be comprehended as structures,
patterns, messages, flows, etc.</font></p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td width="375" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-color:currentColor windowtext windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal"><font face="Times New Roman">3. Information can be recognized, can be
measured, and can be processed (either computationally or
non-computationally).</font></p></td>
<td width="426" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-color:currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor;padding:0cm 5.4pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal"><font face="Times New Roman">3. Reflections can be recognized, can be
measured, and can be processed (either computationally or
non-computationally).</font></p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td width="375" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-color:currentColor windowtext windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal"><font face="Times New Roman">4. Information flows are essential organizers of
life's self-production processes--anticipating, shaping, and mixing up
with the accompanying energy flows.</font></p></td>
<td width="426" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-color:currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor;padding:0cm 5.4pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal"><font face="Times New Roman">4. Reflection flows are essential organizers of
life's self-production processes--anticipating, shaping, and mixing up
with the accompanying energy flows.</font></p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td width="375" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-color:currentColor windowtext windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal"><font face="Times New Roman">5. Communication/information exchanges among
adaptive life-cycles underlie the complexity of biological organizations
at all scales.</font></p></td>
<td width="426" valign="top" style="border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-color:currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor;padding:0cm 5.4pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal"><font face="Times New Roman">5. Communication is based on special kind of
reflections created by one entity and reflected by a second one. This
way, the reflections comprehended as information by the first entity may
be secondary reflected by the second one. Such information exchanges
among adaptive life-cycles underlie the complexity of biological
organizations at all scales.</font></p></td></tr></tbody></table>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">I am afraid that many of FIS members prefer the first case.
<br>I do not know who prefer the second one beside me. If such ones exist,
please write to me and we will continue the productive common work.
</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Friendly greetings</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Krassimir</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div>
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