<div dir="auto"><div>Well, I do my best to draw attention to some implications of <a href="http://oeis.org/A242615">oeis.org/A242615</a>.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Like Mendel was drawing attention to some statistics related to the color of peas. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Not an easy business. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Do you know of any arguments disproving that what <span style="font-family:sans-serif"><a href="http://oeis.org/A242615">oeis.org/A242615</a> states?</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">My opinion is that the relationships pictured there are of manifold consequences. </span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Thanks for the mail. </span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Karl </span></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Marcus Abundis <<a href="mailto:55mrcs@gmail.com">55mrcs@gmail.com</a>> schrieb am So., 28. Juni 2020, 14:23:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi Karl,<div><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">>The model which has been offered, presented, argued, touted, reintroduced, published, etc. etc. might well hit the mark of being a comprehensive, <</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">> consistent, logical, easy to understand, and, yes, firm synthesis of matters relating to information. This firm synthesis has been offered to FIS in <</div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">> many styles, from epistemological to deictic, from technical to poetry.<</span></div><div>Thank you for your note – you mention a firm synthesis has been published, etc. Can you please point me to a specific document that has been published and is generally accepted by FIS? As I have been away for a while I may have missed it. I am aware of some offerings (not all to be sure), but none that I know of that are truly 'generally accepted' *a priori* views.</div><div><br></div><div>I refer you to Terry's Fri Mar 6 20:18:43 CET 2020 post on 'defining information' and his being 'constantly surprised' (as am I). What you point to here (above) sounds more like a meandering collection of thoughts, reflections, and notions, rather than of a single firm synthesis – that might afford an actual *science* of information, with genuine a priori terms.</div><div>Your thoughts on this one point are appreciated!</div><div><br></div><div>Marcus</div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 1:15 PM Karl Javorszky <<a href="mailto:karl.javorszky@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">karl.javorszky@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Dear Marcus,<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Nice to have you back
in the conversation. There are some aspects of your communication, however, to
which one may feel encouraged to give a dissenting opinion.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Still, despite Pedro's November 17
summary 'some notes', and its discussion, a firm synthesis of 'Information
Science Principles' is not seen.<span></span></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">It depends on what
you understand to be a ‘firm synthesis’. The model which has been offered,
presented, argued, touted, reintroduced, published, etc. etc. might well hit
the mark of being a comprehensive, consistent, logical, easy to understand,
and, yes, <b>firm synthesis</b> of matters relating to information. This firm
synthesis has been offered to FIS in many styles, from epistemological to
deictic, from technical to poetry.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">1) importantly, 'information' as a
topic is so broad it covers too many areas of innate interest, such that [at
*this* level of analysis] a basic definition of information is impossible. <span></span></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">It depends on what
you understand to be a basic definition. The basic definition of information
has been brought to your attention in the following form:<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span>Information,
definition of<span></span></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span>a.:
semantic<span></span></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>The
sentence <span> </span><span></span></span></p>
<table style="border-collapse:collapse;border:medium none" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="1">
<tbody><tr>
<td style="width:198.2pt;border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt" width="264" valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><i><span>It was Peter who did it</span></i><span><span></span></span></p>
</td>
<td style="width:254.9pt;border-color:windowtext windowtext windowtext currentcolor;border-style:solid solid solid none;border-width:1pt 1pt 1pt medium;padding:0cm 5.4pt" width="340" valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>is
a statement and contains no information<i><span></span></i></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>The
sentence <span> </span><span></span></span></p>
<table style="border-collapse:collapse;border:medium none" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="1">
<tbody><tr>
<td style="width:198.2pt;border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt" width="264" valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><i><span>It was Peter, from among
{Peter, Paul, Susan, Mary}, who did it <span></span></span></i></p>
</td>
<td style="width:254.9pt;border-color:windowtext windowtext windowtext currentcolor;border-style:solid solid solid none;border-width:1pt 1pt 1pt medium;padding:0cm 5.4pt" width="340" valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>contains
the information <b><i>{Paul, Susan, Mary} did not do it </i></b><span></span></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span>b:
formal<span></span></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>The
sentence <span> </span><span></span></span></p>
<table style="border-collapse:collapse;border:medium none" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="1">
<tbody><tr>
<td style="width:198.2pt;border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt" width="264" valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>Let <i>x = a<sub>k</sub></i><span></span></span></p>
</td>
<td style="width:254.9pt;border-color:windowtext windowtext windowtext currentcolor;border-style:solid solid solid none;border-width:1pt 1pt 1pt medium;padding:0cm 5.4pt" width="340" valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>is
a statement and contains no information<i><span></span></i></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>The
sentence <span> </span><span></span></span></p>
<table style="border-collapse:collapse;border:medium none" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="1">
<tbody><tr>
<td style="width:198.2pt;border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt" width="264" valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>Let <i>x = a<sub>k</sub></i> and <i>k </i></span><i><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>Î</span></span></i><i><span>
{1,2,...,k,...,n}<span><span></span></span></span></i></p>
</td>
<td style="width:254.9pt;border-color:windowtext windowtext windowtext currentcolor;border-style:solid solid solid none;border-width:1pt 1pt 1pt medium;padding:0cm 5.4pt" width="340" valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>contains
the information </span><b><i><span>k </span></i></b><b><i><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>Ï</span></span></i></b><b><i><span>
{1,2,...,k-1,k+1,...,n}</span></i></b><span><span></span></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-indent:36pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">2)
too many voices [noisy, distracting, diluted focus], <span></span></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">There is a popular
folk song sometimes heard in relaxed society: “Oh, Vienna would be so lovely
without all the Viennese…”. Of course, each of the participants in a chat room
believes their contribution to be the opposite of noisy, distracting, diluted
focus.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">3) speaking too often from their own
area(s) of interest [too narrow, willful blindness], <span></span></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Is this as opposed to
a better, or ideal, chat group, where people speak of other people’s area(s) of
interest?<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">4) where no 'general' models/tools yet
exist to guide one forward, akin to Shannon entropy [to counteract #2 and
#3], <span></span></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Please allow me to
point out, that there is indeed a general model/tool to guide one forward, akin
to Shannon entropy. It has been referred to variously as “tautomat”, “mombering
system”, “the ultimate /idealised/ Rubik cube”, “the kaleidoscope” and more
names, incl. “Karls model”, “the moving-cycling system”, and lately as “a web
of bondage”.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">5) while a firm sense of needed 'a
priori' views is also missing [unable to address #4],<span></span></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">The main point,
concept, basic principle of the model based on sequencing and resequencing is
that the web made up of cycles, strings, bondages - <insert your preferred
name for the model with an as yet unstable name> - utilises, creates,
recognises, unveils, discovers <span> </span><b>a
priori relations </b>among the concepts we use.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">6) and finally, the above makes the FIS
venue [in current its form] inappropriate for finding collaborative solutions.<span></span></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">This observation may
be very true. Unfortunately, in my previous profession (psychologist) we have
learnt that if you do not get understood, although your audience should be able
to understand you, it is your own fault. Not the customer is an idiot because
he will not understand you, you are an idiot for not being able to explain
yourself in such a way that he will understand you. This distribution of responsibilities
and blame is not always pleasant. One still has to try to explain the answer to
a question that had not been asked. Even more so, if the customer goes around lamenting
that no one will help him understanding his complex problem, of which he is not
yet decided, how to formulate a coherent question, and accusing the world that
there are no people who can match him and help him by collaboration. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-indent:36pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">'How
to proceed?' . . .<span></span></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">I put forth a DRAFT list of principles
directly below -– Natural Informatics. … If you have interest in collaborating,
adding to and refining this list of principles, please email me directly with
your thoughts on how to press onward. <span></span></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Thank you for
presenting your basic structure. There are many points to collaborate on. For
ease of understanding, one may suggest to use such words in the logical
discourse which we conduct, that are clearly defined with a public
understanding of their meaning. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Before I continue
discussing in detail on possible collaboration, let me refresh your knowledge
about the model called e.g. kaleidoscope.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">The basic principle</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> is that we regard
the objects we imagine to remain more particular than has been en vogue since
Kant. We leave the last few steps of abstraction into a Ding an sich undone,
and remain with <b>objects that have some
basic properties</b>. The imagination is this way, with some properties of
objects remaining, also closer to everyday, common sense observations and to lessons
learnt during acculturation.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">One will have
friends, books, meals as <b>examples</b>. Each of the friends one can grade on
their ability to be entertaining and to be useful; each of the books one can
grade on their ability to be easy to transport and to be nice to read; each of
the meals one can grade on their ability to be fattening and to be spicy. We
shall use in the model the same number of somethings we experiment on, say 6,
7, up to a grand dozen of somethings. Say, we have 7 friends, books and meals.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">After having rated
each of the friends, books and meals in their two respective properties, we
shall be able to line the friends, books, meals on their property of being
entertaining, transportable and fattening. We are able to assign a symbol
{A,B,C,D,E,F,G} to each of the objects.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Then we order – rank –
our friends, books and meals on their property of being useful, readable resp. spicy.
We are able to assign a symbol {a,b,c,d,e,f,g} to each of the objects.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">We have now 7 objects
– friends, books, meals – which have <b>two (2) </b><span>linear positions. We draw two axes, X and y, which we grade A-G and a-g.
We can now place the friends, books, meals in a grid, where for each of them,
its single two-dimensional position depicts its two linear positions. <span></span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Now we start the procedure of resequencing. Using books, one will grab
the most transportable, A-rated, book and will place it unto linear position <i>k, k:{</i></span><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">a,b,c,d,e,f,g},
</span></i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">according
to its rating with respect to readability. We shall see, that (barring the
cases: Aa, the most transportable book is also the most readable, and A<i>k ↔ K</i>a, where two change directly place
with each other), there will appear <b>pushing
events. <span></span></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">The term <b>pushing
event is of central importance</b> in the model.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">Let us use the example
{Ac,Bb,Cd,Dg,Ef,Fe,Ga}. Object denoted Bb refers to a book that is second-most
transportable and second-most readable. Its position on a plane is and stays
(2,2). The objects Ef and Fe exchange places directly: the fifth-most
transportable book is the sixth-most readable, and the sixth-most transportable
book is the fifth-most readable. There is in the first case 0 push, in the
second case, there is a push of unit extent. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">The books described by the notation
Ac,Cd,Dg,Ga constitute a cycle. The push value of this cycle is 4. Element Ac
belongs now – as the result of reordering the books according to their
readability, no more according to their transportability, has to move from
position denoted A to the position denoted c, that is from the first to the
third place. This place being presently occupied by element Cd, element Ac <b>pushes </b>element Cd away, push No. 1.
Element Cd has to find its place d, which is the 4<sup>th</sup> place. There,
however sits presently element Dg. Element Cd <b>pushes </b>element Dg away, push No. 2. <span> </span>Element Dg has to find its place g, which is
the 7<sup>th</sup> place. There, however sits presently element Ga. Element Dg <b>pushes </b>element Ga away, push No. 3. Element
Ga has to find its place a, which is the 1<sup>st</sup> place. There, it is
debatable whether to count an arrival to an empty place as a push, if so, one
meets push No. 4. (Otherwise, one counts <b><span>moves</span></b>, not pushes.)<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">This example about
friends, books and meals is sufficient to explain the morale of the story. <b>Whatever
assembly you reorder, there will be, aside of extreme cases, a necessity to
free up the place whereto a thing is to be transferred, and usually, that thing
will cause a further step of work by necessitating the freeing up of the place
whereto <i>that</i> thing is to go.</b> Rearranging
is a procedure that has its own laws.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">This example about
friends, books and meals is not sufficient to discuss the implications of the morale
of the story. The principle remains the same, as we repeat the exercise in an
exhaustive fashion, systematically. Whatever properties the elements of an
assembly are ranked on, a reorder creates pushes and movements which are
geometrically representable.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">The general principle
holds true, but it drowns us in relations, if we generalise into any pairs of
properties. It is more <b>practicable to filter out</b> those of the
push-movement-relations (aka cycles), which are subject to further restrictions.
We restrict in the following discussion our universe of comparable subjects to
those having properties which are interval-scaled, that is: <b>additive</b>.
While it is educative to draw one’s own collection of pairs {(A,B,C,D,E,F,G),(a,b,c,d,e,f,g)},
the idea of maximal regulation leads us to restrict our investigations to such
collections which are subject to <i>a+b=c. </i>We
leave aside a great number of relations and facts, which we may call
non-additive or dark energy or matter, but in understanding the I in FIS to
mean information – as used in the grupo bioinformatrico – being transferred in
theoretical genetics, we deal with assumptions that are ideal, where any and
all restrictions may apply.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">In fact, we would not
be able to express ourselves about dark matter in a comprehensive,
Wittgenstein-style fashion presently, because the words and their relations
among each other appear to be agrammatical to our present understanding of the
grammar of logical sentences.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Restricting ourselves
to discussing only such assemblies on which each of the combinations of
properties appears exactly once, and which obey <i>a+b=c</i>, allows on the other hand targeting the <b>ideally efficient
method of transmitting, storing and retrieving messages</b>. You bet Nature
would not do with the inefficient. In fact, experiments with friends, books and
meals have resulted in a model, in which a statement consist of three words
which are sequenced and each of the words can have one of four variants.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Please reconsider
your impulse to leave this chat. The tools offered to you will be useful in
your continuing research.<span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Best regards:<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Karl<span><span></span></span></span></p>
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</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am So., 28. Juni 2020 um 08:34 Uhr schrieb 钟义信 <<a href="mailto:zyx@bupt.edu.cn" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">zyx@bupt.edu.cn</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:SimSun,STSong;font-size:medium"><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">Dear Marcus and All,</font></div><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><br></font></div><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">Many thanks to Marcus for his deep thinking on the topics related to </font><font face="Times New Roman">information studies.</font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><br></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman">To my understanding, the purpose of the discussions we are promoting currently is to encourage colleagues to freely express their interests and ideas on the topics that need to be concerned, rather than to limit our interests and ideas.</font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><br></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman">If this understanding is not wrong, I would like to say to Marcus: Good, Go on please.</font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><br></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><br></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman">Best wishes,</font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><br></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman">Yixin June 28, 2020 </font></div><div><u></u><div> </div><div> </div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style="font-size:12px;font-family:"Arial Narrow";padding:2px 0px">------------------ 原始邮件 ------------------</div><div style="font-size:12px;background-image:none;background-color:rgb(239,239,239);padding:8px;background-position:0% 0%"><div id="m_-8465076119398578510gmail-m_7583940830842982345gmail-m_6797784134561062465gmail-m_-8086099995813947932menu_sender"><b>发件人:</b> "MarcusAbundis"<<a href="mailto:55mrcs@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">55mrcs@gmail.com</a>>;</div><div><b>发送时间:</b> 2020年6月28日(星期天) 中午11:35</div><div><b>收件人:</b> "Pedro"<<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>>; "KrassimirMarkov"<<a href="mailto:markov@foibg.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">markov@foibg.com</a>>; "钟义信"<<a href="mailto:zyx@bupt.edu.cn" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">zyx@bupt.edu.cn</a>>; "Terrence W.DEACON"<<a href="mailto:deacon@berkeley.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">deacon@berkeley.edu</a>>; </div><div><b>抄送:</b> "fis"<<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>>; </div><div><b>主题:</b> FIS Session – Pedro's 10 Principles (Sep 2017)</div></div><div> </div><div><div id="m_-8465076119398578510gmail-m_7583940830842982345gmail-m_6797784134561062465gmail-m_-8086099995813947932tmpcontent_res"></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Dear Pedro, Krassimir, Yixin, and Terry,</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">I recently reviewed many FIS posts made since I was last active in the group (late 2016). Of special interest is Pedro's September 2017 session '10 Principles of Information Science' with its two month discussion. I write to you to follow up on that session, much as Yixin's March 2020 post does (re 11-12 June email exchange).</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">The 2017 10 Principles discussion held many useful offerings from different corners. Also seen were a few genuine/crucial synthetic notes on key matters (in particular from Loet, Joe, Gordana, and yourselves). I found this encouraging. Still, despite Pedro's November 17 summary 'some notes', and its discussion, a firm synthesis of 'Information Science Principles' is not seen. This gap, and its resolution, is the thrust of my 11 June email to Yixin (on his March FIS post) and why I write to you now.</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">To enlarge on a possible 'gap resolution', I suggest this gap persists for several reasons: </div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">1) importantly, 'information' as a topic is so broad it covers too many areas of innate interest, such that [at *this* level of analysis] a basic definition of information is impossible. This leads to,</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">2) too many voices [noisy, distracting, diluted focus], </div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">3) speaking too often from their own area(s) of interest [too narrow, willful blindness], </div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">4) where no 'general' models/tools yet exist to guide one forward, akin to Shannon entropy [to counteract #2 and #3], </div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">5) while a firm sense of needed 'a priori' views is also missing [unable to address #4],</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">6) and finally, the above makes the FIS venue [in current its form] inappropriate for finding collaborative solutions.</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">In contrast, since last visiting FIS, my focus remains fully on addressing #4 and 5. I also shifted focus to artificial intelligence conference submissions. I feel I have made notable progress, but I also see much remains to be done. Especially, I see this 'project' as requiring firm critical thinking and the ensuing synergetic focus from select individuals. The immenseness of #1 mandates such a collaborative solution – but 'How to proceed?' . . .</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Toward that end – I suggest we five(?) join in a narrow collaborative effort – outside of FIS. I see Krassimir already suggested this (via ITHEA) but it seems no one accepted his offer. In contrast to Krassimir's offer for a 'test bed,' I put forth a DRAFT list of principles directly below -– Natural Informatics. It partly reflects my own thinking (on #4 and 5) while also holding facets of your own views – those views being (I believe) essentially in agreement, but awaiting a useful synthesis. If you have interest in collaborating, adding to and refining this list of principles, please email me directly with your thoughts on how to press onward. </div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">FACETS:</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Krassimir: direct and indirect, data and information, test bed, collaborative space</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Deacon: multi-state analysis, intrinsic, referential, and normative, triad-ic in nature</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Yixin: subjective and objective, ontology and epistemology facets</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Pedro: named principles </div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Sincerely,</div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><font face="proxima-nova-1, proxima-nova-2, Tahoma, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:14px">Marcus</span></font></div><div><font face="proxima-nova-1, proxima-nova-2, Tahoma, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:14px">================<br></span></font><br></div><div><div>NATURAL INFORMATICS</div><div><br></div><div>1- DIRECTLY FUNCTIONING (PRIMARY, INTRINSIC) MATERIAL WORLD</div><div><br></div><div><u>A. Principle of S-O Dualism</u> (relational logic, meaning is central).</div><div>In <i><b>all</b> <b>cases</b></i>, information marks:</div><div><ul><li>identifiable (O)bjects [fermions, matter, genes, agents, memes, crude ideas, etc. as ‘nouns’], <br></li><li>inter-acting [bosons, fundamental forces, energy, interpretation, etc. as ‘verbs’] with other Os,<br></li><li>yielding topical (S)ubjects as ‘about-ness’, meaning, ‘how O interacts (S) with O’, innate computation, knowledge, etc.<br></li></ul></div><div>For example, {1 2 3} as Os in a hypothetical void, versus ‘1 + 2 = 3’ implies ‘+’ and ‘=’ enact about-ness or meaning (S). Alternatively, ‘pure Os’ with no context as {x x x} are meaningless.</div><div><br></div><div><u>B. Principle of Identity</u> (coincident O-S-O ontology/epistemology).</div><div><b><i>Ontology</i></b> - Os interacting (S) with Os become identifiable. Conversely, unmatched Os are not identifiable (<strike>S</strike>): O and (S) are coincident [dual-material aspect, ontological a priori O-S-O]. </div><div><b><i>Epistemology</i></b> - An O-S-O ‘event’ in cause-and-effect full-ness is ‘the thing in itself’ (das Ding an sich): a Directly epistemic [no interpretation needed, materially self-evident] functional ‘primary event’.</div><div><br></div><div><u>C. Principle of S-O (V)ariability</u> (dialectic logic, emergence).</div><div>In <b><i>some cases</i></b>, O-S-O events hold ‘emergent’ traits, beyond prior events [novelty, mutants, branching, etc.]. Emergence occurs due to (V)aried O and S roles in fermions and bosons, and beyond. S-O (V)ariants interact [interfere, constrain, impede, etc.] with each other, yielding new roles: O′ and S′, O″ and S″. . . As such, four fundamental forces become 16 accepted forms of energy, and more. At a lowest-level S-O (V)ariation evinces as ‘wave function collapses’; at higher-levels S-O-V seems unbounded [an expansive cosmos, incomplete science/nature/evolution, infinite ‘multi-verse’]. S-O-V before wave function collapses marks a type of quantum 'pure noise'.</div><div><br></div><div><u>D. Principle of S-O-V Levels</u> (contiguous incommensurability).</div><div>S-O-V affords simple-to-complex ‘levels’ [context], using prior events to advance new roles. This serial ‘ratcheting of novelty’ marks a growing (V)ariant S-O continuum [‘tree’]. Further, emergent traits make one level incommensurate with another. Thus, to analyze or depict one level in terms of another level is often impractical. Instead, domain neutral terms (O-S-O/S-O-V) must frame contiguous incommensurate levels, before suitably naming primitive elements and adjacent emergent features.</div><div><br></div><div><u>E. Principle of Selective Fitness (patterns that connect, meta and meta-meta roles) . . .</u></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>2- DISCRETELY ABSTRACT (SECONDARY, REFERENTIAL) ENCODED WORLD</div><div><br></div><div><u>A. Principle of Finite Abstraction</u> (meta perspective).</div><div>Within Direct material-ity, In-Direct/encoded material functioning [pheromones, genomics, etc.] emerges as a new ‘class’: <i>Discrete</i> (meta) <i>code</i>. Discrete code incites [refers to] functioning rather than Directly enacting functioning (different from above). This class is often tied to Life/agency but its arrival is unexplained. Here, proto-functional (meta) principles enfold those already noted above, while also adding:</div><div><br></div><div><u>B. Principle of Data Apprehension</u> (sentience is central)</div><div>. . .</div><div><br></div><div><u>C. Principle of Data Management (storage, retrieval, . . .</u><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><font color="#000000"><span><u>D. Principle of Knowledge Apprehension . . .</u></span></font></div><div><u style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></u></div><div><u style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">E. Principle of . . .</u><br></div></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><u><br></u></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><u><br></u></div><div>3- DIFFUSE TEMPORAL (ENDURING, NORMATIVE) WORLD . . .</div><div><br></div><div><u>A. Principle of Knowledge Refinement (survival is central) . . .</u></div><div><br></div><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><u>B. Principle of . . .</u><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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