<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Joseph & Gordana,</div><div><br></div><div> When looking for scientific soundness it seems often obvious to focus on the precision and elaboration of singular concepts. However, concepts rarely work alone; they are entangled in semantic fields, types of discourse, common places (<i>tópos koinós</i>) and so on. Therefore, I would suggest, why don't we focus on the vocabulary we would need in order to clearly set the problems we are interested in and the reach our conceptual abstractions should have? <br></div><div> I believe that thinking theoretically consists, in some Wittgensteinian vain, in designing language games and that scientific communication consist in convincing others to speak our language (or being convinced by others to speak their language) and phrase problems our way. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>JJ <br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El lun., 11 may. 2020 a las 6:06, Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic (<<a href="mailto:gordana.dodig-crnkovic@mdh.se">gordana.dodig-crnkovic@mdh.se</a>>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"" lang="EN-US">Thanks, Joseph for your interesting reflection.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"" lang="EN-US">What would you say of this example of an analysis
</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";color:black" lang="EN-US">by leading UK statistician
</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"" lang="EN-US">of miscommunications we are massively exposed to in the form of “Number
</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";color:black" lang="EN-US">theatre</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"" lang="EN-US">”?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";color:black" lang="EN">BBC One - The Andrew Marr Show, 10/05/2020, Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter: Here is the whole ten minutes of</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";color:black" lang="EN">
</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";color:black" lang="EN"><a href="https://twitter.com/d_spiegel" target="_blank">@d_spiegel</a> talking such refreshing sense about COVID19, numbers and risk:</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";color:black" lang="EN">
</span><u><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";color:blue"><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08csg28" target="_blank">https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08csg28</a></span></u><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"" lang="EN-US">All the best,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">Fis <<a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</a>> on behalf of Joseph Brenner <<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, 11 May 2020 at 10:36<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>" <<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Fis] Discommunication<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">The subject of discommunication, defined as an attempt to pervert the process of communication of information itself, was implicit in our previous
discussion. The term is not used rigorously. Miscommunication conveys the same idea as misinformation, failure in communication, for any reason. Discommunication should convey the additional idea of intent to mislead,
<i>etc. </i></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Discommunication seems to me to refer more directly than in the disinformation case to the consequences for the sender as well as receiver. In popular
language, one talks about people who “can’t stop lying” or who “lie so much they no longer can discern truth from falsehood”. One, of many, current examples of discommunication,
<i>grandeur nature</i>, supports this interpretation.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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