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<DIV><FONT style="size: 4">Dear Christophe, Joseph, and FIS
Colleagues,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Nice, we have made a little step.</DIV>
<DIV>But definition is still not so clear for me because I do not know what is
“energy”.</DIV>
<DIV>Maybe it is possible to avoid such term.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>About all kinds of living creatures – I an afraid that
anthropocentric approach is not appropriate.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Are there mental models in all living creatures?<BR>Does the
cells receive, process, and distribute information reacting on
Covid19?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Does the automata receive, process, and distribute information
reacting on input signals?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>No need to answer, I think at the first place we have to
understand ourselves. </FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Finally, what is this:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style='itemscope: ""' itemprop='"geo"'
itemtype='"http://schema.org/GeoCoordinates"'><FONT size=4>42.71749,
24.91712</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style='itemscope: ""' itemprop='"geo"'
itemtype='"http://schema.org/GeoCoordinates"'><FONT size=4>Please, before using
Google try to answer.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style='itemscope: ""' itemprop='"geo"'
itemtype='"http://schema.org/GeoCoordinates"'><FONT size=4>Only if you could not
make any interconnection in your brain you may use help from friends <IMG
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Google.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Friendly greetings</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=christophe.menant@hotmail.fr
href="mailto:christophe.menant@hotmail.fr">Christophe Menant</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 27, 2020 12:55 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=markov@foibg.com
href="mailto:markov@foibg.com">Krassimir Markov</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=fis@listas.unizar.es
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">FIS</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Fis] defining information</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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Krassimir and FIS Colleagues,<BR><BR>The proposed definition of “information” in
my last post tells what “information” is: <I>information is any energy variation
that conveys meaning or participates to meaning generation. </I>If you want to
avoid the word “meaning” in the definition you can say
“</SPAN><I><SPAN>information is any energy variation that can participate to the
constraint satisfaction of an agent”, </SPAN></I>and then introduce “meaning” in
the constraint satisfaction process (we are close to “a difference that makes a
difference”).<BR><SPAN>I’m a bit careful with the word “data” because it can
introduce too strong a cut between with/without meaning, (with mental models
<SPAN style="BACKGROUND: white">as you say</SPAN></SPAN>: “with meaning is
information” and “without meaning is data”), a kind of difference in nature that
may be source of new questions by itself. For me there is no clear cut between
with/without meaning as there is always a potentiality for meaningfulness in
information. “Meaning” is an agent creation, not an a priori given. A string of
bits can be the coded sentence of “this is water”. If you know the code you will
access the meaning, if not the string of bits is meaningless to you (but will
have a meaning once you get the code). In both cases it is information as an
energy variation that can participate to a constraint satisfaction. The
difference is with the agent’s ability to interpret (decode) the received
information. For these reasons I try to avoid the word “data” when talking about
information and meaning.<BR>Regarding mental models and
subjectivity/objectivity, we agree that they are ok for humans, but I do not see
very well how they can be used for artificial agents. A purpose of the system
approach I favor is precisely to be usable for any agent. A system is a set of
elements linked by a set of relations. And information and meaning can exist for
any type of agent (plants, animals, humans and artificial agents.).<BR>There is
a lot to say on these interesting subjects.<BR><BR>Health and happiness to
all<BR>Christophe<BR></DIV>
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face="Calibri, sans-serif"><B>De :</B> Krassimir Markov
<markov@foibg.com><BR><B>Envoyé :</B> jeudi 26 mars 2020 23:46<BR><B>À
:</B> Christophe Menant <christophe.menant@hotmail.fr>; FIS <<B>Objet
:</B> Re: [Fis] defining information</FONT>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Dear Christophe and FIS Colleagues,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I wish you strong health and patience to avoid this very
dangerous virus!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>About meaning:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>“</FONT></DIV><FONT size=4>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><B><I><FONT size=4><FONT
color=#ff0000>A meaning </FONT></FONT></I></B><I><FONT size=4
face="Times New Roman,Times New Roman PS"><FONT size=4
face="Times New Roman,Times New Roman PS"><FONT color=#ff0000>is meaningful
information</FONT> that is generated by a system submitted to a constraint when
it receives <FONT color=#ff0000>an external information</FONT> that has a
connection with the constraint. </FONT></FONT></I></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><B><FONT size=4><EM><FONT
color=#ff0000>The meaning is formed</FONT> of the connection existing between
the <FONT color=#ff0000>received information</FONT> and the constraint of the
system</EM></FONT></B><FONT size=4
face="Times New Roman,Times New Roman PS"><FONT size=4
face="Times New Roman,Times New Roman PS"><EM>. The function of the meaning is
to participate to the determination of an action that will be implemented in
order to satisfy the constraint of the system. </EM></FONT></FONT></P><FONT
size=4 face="Times New Roman,Times New Roman PS"><FONT size=4
face="Times New Roman,Times New Roman PS"></FONT></FONT></FONT>
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size=4 face="Times New Roman,Times New Roman PS"><FONT
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<DIV><FONT size=4>“</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>We still do not know what is information, so it is difficult
to define meaning.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I think your idea is very near to what we need but I prefer
another way to say the same.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>INFOS reflects the surrounding environment via his/her
sensors(receptors). Signals from sensors(receptors) via some transfer mechanism
like neurons come to the brain or to the central memory of INFOS. Interconnected
signals form interconnected active points in the memory. Such formation is
called “mental model” of the reflected reality. The same is happen when one or
more active memory formation(s) is(are) reflected in another such one. This is
again “mental model” but of the subjective internal reality. So we have two
types of mental models – “objective”and “subjective”, taking in account that the
“objective” means the end of subjective reflection chain which starts from
sensors and ends in the brain, i.e. it is subjective reflection of the objective
reality, the second is subjective reflection of subjective reality.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Now, if INFOS can interconnect one mental model with another
one(s) the first model receive meaning. If another interconnection is done,
another meaning of the same model will exist.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>The interconnections are mental models, too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>So, mental model with meaning is information.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Mental model without meaning is data.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Maybe in the next letter I shall explain this on the base of
the test bed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Many thanks to all who read my post (more than 180
reads).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Be healthy and happy!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Friendly greetings</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Krassimir</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=christophe.menant@hotmail.fr
href="mailto:christophe.menant@hotmail.fr">Christophe Menant</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 26, 2020 9:29 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=fis@listas.unizar.es
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fis] defining information</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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FISers,<BR>Going through hard times should not stop us from exchanging
ideas.<BR>My two cents: <BR>When trying to define information we should keep in
mind that information exists to carry meanings and is used for meaning
management. If there is no need for meanings, information does not have to
exist.<BR>Assuming that we accept meaning as the core of information, we can
reach some simple definitions like:<I> information is any energy variation that
conveys meaning or participates to meaning generation.</I> (The former is about
meaningful information, the latter includes meaningless Information). This
definition can be used for humans, animals and artificial agents. But it needs
to explicit what is a meaning and what is meaning generation. <BR>As we have
already talked about, this has been done by proposing a model for meaning
generation (the MGS) which allows to:<BR>- Define a meaning, a meaningful
information, and tell what a meaning is for.<BR>- Relate meaning to agency and
to constraint satisfaction.<BR>- Differentiate artificial agents from organic
ones.<BR>- Define agency and autonomy.<BR>- Identify some limits of today AI
.<BR>- Introduce evolutionary scenarios for cognition, intentionality and
self-consciousness.<BR>- Highlight some possible sources of human mental health
problems.<BR>This is more than we need to consider that defining information as
a meaning carrier (with a definition of meaning) can be a valid option. <BR>(a
short paper at </SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman",serif'><A
href="https://philpapers.org/rec/MENITA-7"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="COLOR: blue">https://philpapers.org/rec/MENITA-7</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
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<SPAN lang=EN-US>gives access to the above subjects). <BR>Let’s again recall
that the proposed approach is an evolutionary one. It does not take information
as managed by humans as a starting point. This is deliberate, in order to avoid
having to consider human consciousness and free will in our starting point.
These human performances are complex and not clearly understood by science and
philosophy. Taking them into account, even implicitly, would make our starting
point unnecessarily complex. The choice made here is to start with a case as
simple as possible (meaning generation in animals) and look at human
performances as the result of an evolutionary approach. <BR><BR>Hoping that you
and your families are all well in the difficult times we are going through, I
wish you the best.<BR>Christophe</SPAN></SPAN><BR></DIV>
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face="Calibri, sans-serif"><B>De :</B> Fis <fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es>
de la part de Francesco Rizzo <13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com><BR><B>Envoyé
:</B> lundi 23 mars 2020 07:49<BR><B>À :</B> Joseph Brenner
<joe.brenner@bluewin.ch><BR><B>Cc :</B> fis@listas.unizar.es >>
fis@listas.unizar.es <fis@listas.unizar.es>; Pedro C. Marijuan
<pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es>; Emanuel Diamant
<emanl.245@gmail.com><BR><B>Objet :</B> Re: [Fis] defining
information</FONT>
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<DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>Carissimo Joseph,
<DIV>Ti ringrazio di cuore per il Tuo affettuoso augurio di buona salute alla
mia famiglia. Grazie a Dio e anche agli uomini di buona </DIV>
<DIV>capacita e volontà stiamo bene.</DIV>
<DIV>Mi permetto di scriverTi che, non solo secondo me, ma anche per il
giudizio-pensiero di altri studiosi, molto più autorevoli del</DIV>
<DIV>sottoscritto:</DIV>
<DIV>* l'equilibrio (che sarebbe bene o meglio cambiare con armonia, anche del
dis-accordo) può paragonarsi ad una tautologia</DIV>
<DIV>che al pari dell'ideologia è una falsa co-scienza; difatti
l'equilibrio entropico è mortale, il dis-equilibrio neg-enropico è vitale;</DIV>
<DIV>* per quanto riguarda il rapporto tra energia e informazione, bisogna dire
che l'energia libera non è altro che una forma di in-</DIV>
<DIV>formazione (neg-entropica), mentre l'energia degradata (non più
trasformabile in lavoro utile o meccanico) non è altro che</DIV>
<DIV>una forma di dis-in-formazione (entropica);</DIV>
<DIV>* è necessario ricordare che v'ha un tempo per essere generalisti e
un tempo per essere specialisti: quando si dà luogo ad </DIV>
<DIV>un'iniziativa pregevole, preziosa e profetica come la FIS, nata per merito
di Pedro, prima bisogna. essere generalisti e poi </DIV>
<DIV>specialisti, sapendo che il prima serve il poi.</DIV>
<DIV>Carissimo Joseph, leggo sempre con molta attenzione i Tuoi autorevoli
interventi-messaggi e sono sempre più convinto che solo</DIV>
<DIV>il rilancio della filosofia possa costituire la base onto-metodo-logica
della definizione e della narrazione-processo della LEGGE </DIV>
<DIV>DELL'INFORMAZIONE, senza trascurare la scienza mediatrice
dell'economia.</DIV>
<DIV>DateVi e diamoci da fare, perché molta strada ancora bisogna percorrere e
sperimentare.</DIV>
<DIV>Un abbraccio affettuoso a Te ed ai Tuoi cari, estensibile a Tutti, con
l'amore della fede, della perseveranza e del coraggio.</DIV>
<DIV>Grazie, grazie, grazie.</DIV>
<DIV>Francesco.</DIV>
<DIV>.</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=x_x_gmail_attr dir=ltr>Il giorno ven 20 mar 2020 alle ore 11:21
Joseph Brenner <<A
href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</A>> ha
scritto:<BR></DIV>
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<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=navy size=2 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Lucida Sans Unicode"; COLOR: navy'>Dear
Francesco,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=navy size=2 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Lucida Sans Unicode"; COLOR: navy'><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=navy size=2 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Lucida Sans Unicode"; COLOR: navy'>Please
let me first express the hope that you and your family are in good health and
in a safe configuration.<I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></I></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><I><FONT
color=navy size=2 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Lucida Sans Unicode"; COLOR: navy; FONT-STYLE: italic'><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></I> </P>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=navy size=2 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Lucida Sans Unicode"; COLOR: navy'>As to
the content of your note, however, there are a couple of things that I think
need more discussion. I would not make the absolute cut made by Wheeler
between energy and information, and I think that Prigogine did not pay enough
attention to the complexity of processes <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">close </SPAN></I>to
equilibrium.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=navy size=2 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Lucida Sans Unicode"; COLOR: navy'><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=navy size=2 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Lucida Sans Unicode"; COLOR: navy'>On
the other hand, I think that your formulation of measure as a qualitative
quantity or a quantitative quality implies exactly the kind of dialectical
approach one should take to understanding information in <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">its </SPAN></I>complexity.
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=navy size=2 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Lucida Sans Unicode"; COLOR: navy'><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><I><FONT
color=navy size=2 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Lucida Sans Unicode"; COLOR: navy; FONT-STYLE: italic'>Sta
bene</SPAN></FONT></I><FONT color=navy size=2 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Lucida Sans Unicode"; COLOR: navy'>,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=navy size=2 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Lucida Sans Unicode"; COLOR: navy'><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=navy size=2 face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Lucida Sans Unicode"; COLOR: navy'>Joseph<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
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size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> Fis [mailto:<A
href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es"
target=_blank>fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</A>] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Francesco Rizzo<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> vendredi, 20 mars 2020
10:48<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Krassimir
Markov<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> <A
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target=_blank>fis@listas.unizar.es</A>
>> <A href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"
target=_blank>fis@listas.unizar.es</A>; Pedro C. Marijuan; Emanuel
Diamant<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Fis]
defining information</SPAN></FONT><SPAN
lang=EN-US><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Cari Pedro,
Joseph, Krassimir, Terry e Tutti gli altri,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">tenendo presente
quel che avete scritto in questi ultimi tempi, desidero dirVi alcune cose che
potrebbero essere utili <U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">per stabilire il
quadro o scenario della discussione FIS, senza alcuna presunzione o
pretesa.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">*Ciò che mi spinge
a partecipare al confronto-dibattito è la mia teoria del valore (economico)
basata sulla combinazione<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">creativa di
energia, informazione e materia, sapendo che sia l'energia sia la materia sono
forme di informazione; quindi<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">posso in sintesi
affermare che la mia teoria sia basata sul valore dell'informazione o della
tras-informazione (di cui la FIS <U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">nel passato s'è
occupata): da quì il valore della forma o la forma del valore.
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">* Il grande fisico
J. A. Wheeler, il guru della scienza dell'informazione che portò i buchi neri
all'interno dell'analisi fisico-astronomica,
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">sostiene che
l'unica legge fondamentale della scienza naturale sia quella
dell'informazione, non dell'energia o della
materia.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">* Questo vale
ancora di più per le scienze umane e sociali (di cui l'economia dovrebbe
essere la regina).<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">* Allora bisogna
concentrare l'attenzione sull'unità di ogni forma di sapere, rifacendoci alla
Nuova Alleanza di Ilya Prigogine<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">che ha
inventato-scoperto le "strutture dissipative che creano ordine dal disordine
mediante fluttuazioni o instabilità"; questa è la
fonte<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">di ogni
informazione, sia delle scienze naturali che umane: il concetto di
neg-entropia o informazione vitale di E. Schrodinger
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">la dice lunga in
proposito.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">* Esistono tante
categorie o forme di informazione: naturale o termodinamica, genetica o
genomica, matematica o cibernetica, <U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">semiotico-semantica. Esse possono rifarsi tutte allo
stesso quadro definitorio: l'informazione è un processo che tende a dare
forma<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">a tutti e a tutto,
dis-informazione è il contrario (cfr. Rizzo F., "Scienza dell'amore o amore
della scienza", Aracne editrice, Roma
2019,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">soprattutto i
capitoli 2 e 3 dedicati a Socrate, Platone e
Aristotele).<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">*Invece sono
diverse le misure di queste tipologie di informazione che, tuttavia, possono
supportare, grossomodo, la stessa
definizione.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">*Infine, ma potrei
dire all'inizio, quel che non bisogna dimenticare è la lezione di scienza
della logica che ci ha dato G:W. Hegel: <U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">fra i tanti suoi
triangoli, consiglio quello che ai tre vertici porta qualità, quantità e
misura: la misura è una quantità qualitativa o una
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">qualità
quantitativa. Questo consente di dosare (dialetticamente, direbbe il nostro
filosofo) il dosaggio delle misurazioni delle
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">diverse forme di
informazione.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Sono stato più
lungo di quanto prevedevo e Vi chiedo scusa anche per l'uso della mia
lingua.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Un saluto
affettuoso ed un augurio molto forte -- richiesto dai tempi in cui (la) corona
(di un).virus ha un potere .demoniaco -- al fine
di<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">non abbassare la
guardia.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Francesco<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Il giorno mar 17
mar 2020 alle ore 20:56 Krassimir Markov <<A href="mailto:markov@foibg.com"
target=_blank>markov@foibg.com</A>> ha
scritto:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black">Dear Pedro,
Emanuel and FIS Colleagues,</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=4
face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black">1.Thank you
for your remarks and interesting ideas.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black
size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black">Especially
those which are aimed to make our communication possible in such situation
like this in the world now.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=4
face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black">I have no
information about plans and possibilities of our Brazilian
colleagues.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black">So, please
write more details.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black">2. I agree
with Emanuel that: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=black size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13pt; COLOR: black">The proposed definition of information
must be followed by a suggestion of assets that make it (the information)
visible, tangible, palpable. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=4
face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black">It was my goal
when I had proposed to prepare one or more test beds.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black">3. According
to this, now I want to invite you to see my preliminary proposal of a sample
test bed and evaluation tips for testing information definitions and
theories.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black">It is simple
but, I hope, contains the main objects and their interactions, which
participate in the (humans’!) information processes.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black">Of course, it
is only one from many possible.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=4
face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black">If given
definition or theory is not applicable to this test bed, maybe it is
possible another one to be proposed.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=4
face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black">Please see
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=4 face=Calibri><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13pt; COLOR: black">Dear Pedro, Dear FIS colleagues,
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13pt; COLOR: black">I do not share the general excitement
about the revitalization of the FIS discussion on information definition.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13pt; COLOR: black">I am not sure that the principle of
“three messages per week” or the ITHEA Cloud Forum, with an
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=x_x_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><FONT
color=black size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 13pt; COLOR: black">unlimited number of posts and 1M-large
attachments, is our main problem. I think that our discussion (again and
again) violates the basic principle of any scientific discourse - the
IF-THEN principle - according to which each hypothetical assumption is
followed by a suggestion what stems from it, where, and how these
expectations could be discerned and observed. If I remember right, Terence
and Gordana on several previous occasions have addressed this issue, but
their call has remained unanswered.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13pt; COLOR: black">However, refreshing the definitions of
information we cannot continue to ignore the IF-THEN rule requirement - How
does the defined information look like, how it is represented, what is its
real form? The proposed definition of information must be followed by a
suggestion of assets that make it (the information) visible, tangible,
palpable. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13pt; COLOR: black">Only this kind of information
definitions is being urgently needed in the worldwide Human Brain Research
programme. Or in the overhyped global Artificial Intelligence race. In both,
Artificial Neural Networks (which are data processing number crunching
devices) are supposed to emulate human brain biological neurons (which are
pure information processing devices). Both fail to fulfill their promises,
but do not understand for what reason and why. The current FIS discussion
certainly will not help them.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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