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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Dear Francesco,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Please let me first express the hope that you and your family are
in good health and in a safe configuration.<i><span style='font-style:italic'> <o:p></o:p></span></i></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>As to the content of your note, however, there are a couple of
things that I think need more discussion. I would not make the absolute cut
made by Wheeler between energy and information, and I think that Prigogine did
not pay enough attention to the complexity of processes <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>close </span></i>to equilibrium.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>On the other hand, I think that your formulation of measure as a
qualitative quantity or a quantitative quality implies exactly the kind of
dialectical approach one should take to understanding information in <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>its </span></i>complexity. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy;font-style:italic'>Sta bene</span></font></i><font size=2
color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:navy'>,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Joseph<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
Fis [mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Francesco Rizzo<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> vendredi, 20 mars 2020 10:48<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Krassimir Markov<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> fis@listas.unizar.es >>
fis@listas.unizar.es; Pedro C. Marijuan; Emanuel Diamant<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fis] defining
information</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Cari Pedro, Joseph, Krassimir, Terry e Tutti gli altri,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>tenendo presente quel che avete scritto in questi ultimi tempi,
desidero dirVi alcune cose che potrebbero essere utili <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>per stabilire il quadro o scenario della discussione FIS, senza
alcuna presunzione o pretesa.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>*Ciò che mi spinge a partecipare al confronto-dibattito è la mia teoria
del valore (economico) basata sulla combinazione<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>creativa di energia, informazione e materia, sapendo che sia l'energia
sia la materia sono forme di informazione; quindi<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>posso in sintesi affermare che la mia teoria sia basata sul valore
dell'informazione o della tras-informazione (di cui la FIS <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>nel passato s'è occupata): da quì il valore della forma o la forma del valore. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>* Il grande fisico J. A. Wheeler, il guru della scienza
dell'informazione che portò i buchi neri all'interno dell'analisi
fisico-astronomica, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>sostiene che l'unica legge fondamentale della scienza naturale sia
quella dell'informazione, non dell'energia o della materia.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>* Questo vale ancora di più per le scienze umane e sociali (di cui
l'economia dovrebbe essere la regina).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>* Allora bisogna concentrare l'attenzione sull'unità di ogni forma di
sapere, rifacendoci alla Nuova Alleanza di Ilya Prigogine<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>che ha inventato-scoperto le "strutture dissipative che creano
ordine dal disordine mediante fluttuazioni o instabilità"; questa è la
fonte<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> di ogni informazione, sia delle scienze naturali che umane:
il concetto di neg-entropia o informazione vitale di E. Schrodinger <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>la dice lunga in proposito.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>* Esistono tante categorie o forme di informazione: naturale o
termodinamica, genetica o genomica, matematica o cibernetica, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>semiotico-semantica. Esse possono rifarsi tutte allo stesso quadro
definitorio: l'informazione è un processo che tende a dare forma<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>a tutti e a tutto, dis-informazione è il contrario (cfr. Rizzo F.,
"Scienza dell'amore o amore della scienza", Aracne editrice, Roma
2019,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>soprattutto i capitoli 2 e 3 dedicati a Socrate, Platone e Aristotele).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>*Invece sono diverse le misure di queste tipologie di informazione che,
tuttavia, possono supportare, grossomodo, la stessa definizione.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>*Infine, ma potrei dire all'inizio, quel che non bisogna dimenticare è
la lezione di scienza della logica che ci ha dato G:W. Hegel: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>fra i tanti suoi triangoli, consiglio quello che ai tre vertici
porta qualità, quantità e misura: la misura è una quantità qualitativa o
una <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>qualità quantitativa. Questo consente di dosare (dialetticamente,
direbbe il nostro filosofo) il dosaggio delle misurazioni delle <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>diverse forme di informazione.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Sono stato più lungo di quanto prevedevo e Vi chiedo scusa anche per
l'uso della mia lingua.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Un saluto affettuoso ed un augurio molto forte -- richiesto dai
tempi in cui (la) corona (di un).virus ha un potere .demoniaco -- al fine di<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> non abbassare la guardia.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Francesco<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Il giorno mar 17 mar 2020 alle ore 20:56 Krassimir Markov <<a
href="mailto:markov@foibg.com">markov@foibg.com</a>> ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Dear Pedro, Emanuel
and FIS Colleagues,</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>1.Thank you for your
remarks and interesting ideas.</span></font><font size=4 color=black
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Especially those which
are aimed to make our communication possible in such situation like this in the
world now.</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>I have no information
about plans and possibilities of our Brazilian colleagues.</span></font><font
size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:black'> </span></font><font size=4 color=black
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:black'>So, please write more details.</span></font><font size=4
color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>2. I agree with
Emanuel that: </span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:13.0pt;color:black'>The proposed definition of
information must be followed by a suggestion of assets that make it (the
information) visible, tangible, palpable. </span></font><font size=4
color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>It was my goal when I
had proposed to prepare one or more test beds.</span></font><font size=4
color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>3. According to this,
now I want to invite you to see my preliminary proposal of a sample test bed
and evaluation tips for testing information definitions and theories.</span></font><font
size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>It is simple but, I
hope, contains the main objects and their interactions, which participate in
the (humans’!) information processes.</span></font><font size=4 color=black
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Of course, it is only
one from many possible.</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>If given definition or
theory is not applicable to this test bed, maybe it is possible another one to
be proposed.</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Please see </span></font><font
size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'><a
href="http://idr.ithea.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=37&topics_sort_mode=lastPost_desc&forumId=3"
target="_blank"
title="http://idr.ithea.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=37&topics_sort_mode=lastPost_desc&forumId=3">http://idr.ithea.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=37&topics_sort_mode=lastPost_desc&forumId=3</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Already registered
colleagues may write directly in the Forum, other may use FIS mailing list as
usual.</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:emanl.245@gmail.com" target="_blank"
title="emanl.245@gmail.com">Emanuel Diamant</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> Tuesday, March 10, 2020 5:16 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank"
title="pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">'Pedro C. Marijuan'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank"
title="fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Tahoma;color:black'> [Fis] defining information<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
13.0pt;color:black'>Dear Pedro, Dear FIS colleagues, </span></font><font
color=black><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
13.0pt;color:black'>I do not share the general excitement about the
revitalization of the FIS discussion on information definition. </span></font><font
color=black><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
13.0pt;color:black'>I am not sure that the principle of “three messages per
week” or the ITHEA Cloud Forum, with an </span></font><font color=black><span
lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
13.0pt;color:black'>unlimited number of posts and 1M-large attachments, is our
main problem. I think that our discussion (again and again) violates the basic
principle of any scientific discourse - the IF-THEN principle - according to
which each hypothetical assumption is followed by a suggestion what stems from
it, where, and how these expectations could be discerned and observed. If I
remember right, Terence and Gordana on several previous occasions have
addressed this issue, but their call has remained unanswered.</span></font><font
color=black><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
13.0pt;color:black'>However, refreshing the definitions of information we
cannot continue to ignore the IF-THEN rule requirement - How does the defined
information look like, how it is represented, what is its real form? The
proposed definition of information must be followed by a suggestion of assets
that make it (the information) visible, tangible, palpable. </span></font><font
color=black><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
13.0pt;color:black'>Only this kind of information definitions is being urgently
needed in the worldwide Human Brain Research programme. Or in the overhyped
global Artificial Intelligence race. In both, Artificial Neural Networks (which
are data processing number crunching devices) are supposed to emulate human
brain biological neurons (which are pure information processing devices). Both
fail to fulfill their promises, but do not understand for what reason and why.
The current FIS discussion certainly will not help them.</span></font><font
color=black><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
13.0pt;color:black'>Regards, Emanuel. </span></font><font color=black><span
lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
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