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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Krassimir & List,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">It looks an excellent initiative.
Either a real mini-conference or the kind of intense e-forum you
mention could be highly useful--and counting with the ITHEA
infrastructure for both options is great. My personal preference
is for the former, because I feel easily saturated by the
"screen-type-activities" (eye strain, wrist and finger troubles)
apart that many parties will overindulge in exposing their views
& docs if allowed. The posting parsimony of fis is quite
prudent/useful in that regard. Most probably that kind of intense
e-forum is a task for young people and valiant PhD students. A
practical solution: our colleagues in Brazil have developed a
master course in information studies. Then, making a decent
compilation of the stuff related with the intense exchanges these
days, and trying to harmonize them, could be an excellent academic
opportunity for their advanced student teams. They could lead the
use of the ithea tool and convince reluctant senior parties to
enter and see their advancing synthetic work... Besides Moises
himself was one of the early participants in these exchanges. So,
Gustavo & Moises, does the idea look feasible from your side?
In any event, a "real" micro-conference centered in this very
discussion would be ideal--could it take place in Brazil too? The
eternal problem of financing--could it be tackled??</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Back to the discussion, I was intrigued
by the last messages from Mark and Lou.<i> "...we find something
different in the empirical domain... </i>
<div class=""><i>We do not demand that our abstract principles
generate the phenomena there. </i></div>
<div class=""><i>In fact we find that concept and percept arise
together in the examination of phenomena </i></div>
<div class=""><i>and that it is in this arising, with the help of
thinking and the fundamental circularity of thought knowing
thought, </i></div>
<div class=""><i>that we come to agree that information is
present."</i></div>
<div class=""><i><br>
</i></div>
<div class="">I would also put the emphasis on the "examination"
term, as it is full of "action" (the peculiar scientific action
that has to be standardized, with methods, procedures, etc.).
And then realizing that the result of our examination is quite
different in the "animate" versus the "inanimate" phenomena, <i>we
come to [specifically] agree that information is present.</i>
Clarifying that anything can be information for us, but not so
when the examined is a living thing--it abduces in its own way.<i><br>
</i></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Best wishes--Pedro<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 09/03/2020 a las 21:28, Krassimir
Markov escribió:<br>
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<div><font size="4">Dear Pedro and FIS Colleagues,</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">Thank you for the nice remark!</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">1) </font></div>
<div><font size="4">Yes! Most of the recent messages look in
Sync. </font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">I think, we are very near to discovering
the common base of phenomenon which we call “information”.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">Where is the problem? </font></div>
<div><font size="4">Let remember the Babylon tower – we all
speak different languages, especially when we propose
examples.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">For instance, please see the last several
posts.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">From my point of view, we need common test
bed* for illustrating our definitions and theories and</font></div>
<div><font size="4">to run test drive** of our definitions and
theories on common platform.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">It could not be the same for different
levels of the life’s organization.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Now I am working to propose a sample one
for the human’s level.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">May be it is possible to prepare
corresponded test bed for cell’s level,</font></div>
<div><font size="4">etc.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">2)</font></div>
<div><font size="4">I think, we need additional possibility to
communicate more freely and in a more great speed than via
3 posts in a week and without attachments.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Mailing lists do not permit such one
because of storing permanently all letters and because of
limited storage space.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">From my point of view, a kind of Forum is
needed.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">Let me propose such possibility for free <img
class="wlEmoticon wlEmoticon-smile"
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!</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">At the ITHEA® Cloud I have created such
Forum called “Information Theories”.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">It is already available at the address:</font></div>
<div><a
title="http://idr.ithea.org/tiki-view_forum.php?forumId=3"
href="http://idr.ithea.org/tiki-view_forum.php?forumId=3"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://idr.ithea.org/tiki-view_forum.php?forumId=3</a></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">To participate in this Forum, one has to
register him/herself on the page of forum.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">All information in the Forum will be
accessible only for registered users.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">And only registered users</font> <font
size="4">will have possibility to create new topics and to
write in Forum.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">In the Forum, unlimited number of posts as
well as attachments up to 1M are permitted. </font></div>
<div><font size="4">The main difference of the Forum and
mailing lists is that the posts will last only for 90 days
and after that they will be deleted.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">It is aimed for temporal operative
interaction only.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">I kindly invite all FIS Colleagues to
became members of the Forum.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">As usual, registration will be completed
after receiving confirmation letter by e-mail and clicking
on the link in it.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">Let me note that there is a little error
in the system</font> – <font size="4">when one try to
logoff, an error message is received.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">It causes no problems with information. To
exit one need to press X in upper right corner (Windows
exit).</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">As first my step, I shall post my
proposition for test bed and I expect to discuss it in the
Forum.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">When I’ll be ready, I’ll inform the FIS
list.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">Meanwhile, everybody is free to create
topics and write in Forum.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Maybe it is a good idea to inform FIS list
if a new topic is created.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">Finally, I shall advertise the Forum in
ITHEA® Society (more than 4000 members) to involve more
scientists in our discussions.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Of course, every FIS member may became
ITHEA® member for free!</font></div>
<div><font size="4">It is easy to be done at: <a
title="http://online.foibg.com/"
href="http://online.foibg.com/" moz-do-not-send="true">http://online.foibg.com/</a></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">Friendly greetings</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Krassimir</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">* A <strong>“test bed”</strong> is a
platform for conducting rigorous, transparent, and
replicable testing of scientific theories, computational
tools, and new technologies [Wikipedia]. </font></div>
<p><font size="4">** In a broader sense, "<strong>test drive</strong>"
can be used to refer to the testing of anything, such as a
</font><a title="Computer program" style="href:
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_program""
moz-do-not-send="true"><font size="4">computer program</font></a><font
size="4">, an idea or process, a car, a pair of </font><a
title="Shoe" style="href:
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe""
moz-do-not-send="true"><font size="4">shoes</font></a><font
size="4">, etc. [Wikipedia] </font></p>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
title="pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"
href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"
moz-do-not-send="true">Pedro C. Marijuan</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 09, 2020 8:37 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="fis@listas.unizar.es"
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"
moz-do-not-send="true">fis@listas.unizar.es</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] defining information -
Goal, Methodology, Steps ...</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Krassimir and FIS
colleagues,</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> </div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Most of the recent messages
look in Sync. The consensus points, under different names,
towards information as secondary, relative, undefinable...
and particularly towards the need, when defining it, of
including the context in which the definition is
established. Personally I am more interested in the
concerns about empirical information matters in different
disciplines: we have heard snippets from computer science,
maths, biology, neuroscience (Jose Luis--could you please
send me that very interesting paper? It it is not an open
access) ... My traditional position is that the
"informational coupling" of life forms with the abduced
parts of their environment (signals, communication, etc.)
in the advancement of their own living cycle should be
considered as the proto-phenomenon of information. Agents,
agency, are an abstraction in other disciplines (computer
science, economics) derived from the former
proto-phenomenon, unfortunately depriving it of some of
its most interesting qualities. So rich is in every
generative aspect: Conatus principle (Spinoza),
fundamental coding (Rosen), genetic algorithms (Holland),
sel-constructing "machines" (von Neumann), neural
topodynamics (Friston)...<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> </div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The above central
"informational coupling" appears as valid along the
complexity growth: procaryots, eukaryots, multicells,
nervous systems, societies... in each of these realms, and
in multiple ways, we can point to "info definitions" and
contexts tailored to the particular phenomenology. From
cellular signalling systems to the bonding structures of
our societies, or to the adaptive role of emotions. For
instance, I have various research papers on the intriguing
info content of laughter and its enigmatic relationship to
the life cycle (it is omnipresent in our lives). Why?? A
neural network can detect with more than 90% success from
just a bunch of your laughs whether you are falling in
depression or not (Navarro et al. 2014). Entropy of the
frequencies involved is a major key.</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> </div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Developing consistent empirical
research on information "caught in the act" is crucial.</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> </div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Best--Pedro<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> </div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 06/03/2020 a las 19:25,
Krassimir Markov escribió:<br>
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Colleagues,</font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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size="4"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt;
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mso-bidi-font-family: arial">First of
all, I apologize again to </span>Yixin
for asking postponing this discussion and
to Joseph for my silence in January. </font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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align="justify"><font face="Times New Roman"><font
size="4">As you all see now, this one is
very intensive and it was possible to
interrupt the New Year Lecture of Joseph.
</font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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size="4">In addition, Joseph had moderated
it very nice and we receive very good
collection of examples of disinformation,
misinformation and etc. </font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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align="justify"><font face="Times New Roman"><font
size="4">From my point of view, it is just
what we need now.</font></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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align="justify"><font size="4" face="Times New
Roman">Well, let’s go further.</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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align="justify"><font face="Times New Roman"><font
size="4"><b>1. What is our goal</b> - to
give one or more definitions of concept
“information” or to establish useful
information theories to be applied to
practical domains to understand and solve
real problems? </font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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align="justify"><font size="4" face="Times New
Roman">From my point of view - the last is
our goal. </font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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align="justify"><font size="4" face="Times New
Roman">Because of this it doesn’t matter how
much definitions we will have. </font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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align="justify"><font size="4" face="Times New
Roman">It is important to see that the
concrete definition may be applied to a
concrete domain to explain a concrete
phenomenon.</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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align="justify"><font size="4" face="Times New
Roman">In other words, I expect to see
examples as more as possible.</font></p>
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size="4"><b><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
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need methodological</span></b><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt;
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to establish new concepts and theories.
</span></font></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman">First of all, we
need to clear what kind is our new concept
- primary or secondary. </font></span></p>
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face="Times New Roman">Concerning the
concept “information”, it may be
introduced as a primary, as well as, as a
secondary concept.</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
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face="Times New Roman">If it is a primary
concept, it has to be introduces by series
of well known examples.</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
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face="Times New Roman">If it is a
secondary concept, the primary concepts,
which will define it, need to be chosen
precisely and again to be introduced by
corresponded series of examples.</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
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face="Times New Roman">For me, the
“information” is a secondary concept! </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
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face="Times New Roman">If we assume it as
a primary concept, it will be direct way
to well known concepts of “Got” and modern
variants, such as “Information-space-time
continuum”. </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
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face="Times New Roman">If one believes in
“Information”, he/she may explain many of
real phenomena. </font></span></p>
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align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
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face="Times New Roman">But in the same
time, he/she will fall down in some kind
of dogma. (Dear Gordana, elections are the
same case!).</font></span></p>
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align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
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align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
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face="Times New Roman"><strong>3. I
propose to follow the next steps</strong>
when we propose definitions of
“information”:</font></span></p>
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face="Times New Roman">1) to point clearly
if it is a primary or a secondary concept;</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
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face="Times New Roman">2) if it is a
primary concept, to stop further
discussion and to try to understand the
examples given by the author(s);</font></span></p>
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face="Times New Roman">3) in the second
case, to introduce clearly the primary
concepts and step by step to present the
theory.</font></span></p>
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align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-family: arial"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt; TEXT-INDENT: 42.55pt"
align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-family: arial"><font size="4"
face="Times New Roman"><strong>4. No
problems if we will have many theories</strong>
for the same phenomenon. </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt; TEXT-INDENT: 42.55pt"
align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-family: arial"><font size="4"
face="Times New Roman">It is well known
that, for instance, the Geometry is not a
single theory. </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt; TEXT-INDENT: 42.55pt"
align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-family: arial"><font size="4"
face="Times New Roman">You may know at
least several geometries:</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt; TEXT-INDENT: 42.55pt"
align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-family: arial"><font
face="Times New Roman"><font size="4">-
Euclidean (</font></font><a style="href:
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclidean_geometry""
moz-do-not-send="true"><font
color="#0000ff"><font
style="TEXT-DECORATION: none" size="4"
face="Times New Roman">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclidean_geometry</font></font></a><font
size="4" face="Times New Roman">);</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt; TEXT-INDENT: 42.55pt"
align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-family: arial"><font size="4"
face="Times New Roman">- Non-Euclidean:
hyperbolic or elliptic (</font><a
style="href:
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Euclidean_geometry""
moz-do-not-send="true"><font
color="#0000ff"><font
style="TEXT-DECORATION: none" size="4"
face="Times New Roman">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Euclidean_geometry</font></font></a><font
size="4" face="Times New Roman">);</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt; TEXT-INDENT: 42.55pt"
align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-family: arial"><font size="4"
face="Times New Roman">- Spherical
geometry (</font><a style="href:
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_geometry""
moz-do-not-send="true"><font
color="#0000ff"><font
style="TEXT-DECORATION: none" size="4"
face="Times New Roman">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_geometry</font></font></a><font
size="4" face="Times New Roman">),</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt; TEXT-INDENT: 42.55pt"
align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-family: arial"><font size="4"
face="Times New Roman">etc.</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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align="justify"><font face="Times New Roman"><font
size="4"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt;
mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-family: arial">This point
of view, in 1993, I had included in the
name of the first ITHEA</span><sup><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 12pt;
mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt">®</span></sup><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt;
mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-family: arial">
International Journal calling it
“Information Theories and Applications”
.</span></font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt; TEXT-INDENT: 42.55pt"
align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
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mso-bidi-font-family: arial"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt; TEXT-INDENT: 42.55pt"
align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-family: arial"><font size="4"
face="Times New Roman">Friendly greetings</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
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align="justify"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
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mso-bidi-font-family: arial"><font size="4"
face="Times New Roman">Krassimir</font></span></p>
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