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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear List,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">In science itself we have good
instances of the information/disinformation conundrum. We have a
enormous stock of specialized knowledge in the order of 6,000
disciplines. In front of new problems or too complex ones, the
insistence to apply the own expertise creates real problems of
disinformation/misinformation and real clashes of cultures. Not
long ago, in the 60s & 70s, autism was attributed by leading
experts (under the influence of psychology & clinical schools)
to "refrigerator mothers"--literally. It added a lot to the
suffering of many families. It still could be heard in the 80s...
In science we need a lot of discussion and often heated exchanges
to arrange the appropriate portions of knowledge that best fits
the research problems at hand. In general, confrontation between
distant cultures, scientific or otherwise, raises not very kind
reactions.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">And the new media--internet, mobiles,
social networks-- also generate very easily reactions of
Khaneman's System 1 type (say fast, inconsiderate,
self-asserting). Part of the "hooks" that fake news display are
based on provoking that type of immediate visceral reactions:
outrage/fear/aggressiveness/despise & supremacism/etc. Both
the amputated (caricature) context to which these news refer and
the type of reactions they elicit become elements for seeing them
as fake--rather easily for the informed observer. MacLuhan would
have said that these new media are very cool and very inclusive of
ourselves. Personally I had observed long ago that just irrelevant
emails can ignite "flares" far more often than the old media we
used (letters), even the faxes of the 80s and 90s were already
elements more susceptible to create conflict.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">By the way, this list has been
traditionally a place of respect and good tone, and of freedom of
thought. Please, let us keep our high standards.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Best--Pedro <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> El 22/01/2020 a las 2:41, Terrence W.
DEACON escribió:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Is cultural-hyper-relativism intellectual
disinformation or just misinformation?</div>
<div dir="ltr">Does it depend on whether the intention is to
mislead or just persuade?</div>
<div dir="ltr">What if the purveyor is a believer who is
selfishly trying to get people to agree with his theory?</div>
<div>Ah, the complex subtlety of the role of intent.<br>
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<div>Are there metadata that might correlate with the intent
behind disinformation?</div>
<div>Assessing this would the analogue to using galvanic skin
response and heart rate for lie detection.</div>
<div>I.e. an index that would automatically update with each
replication to provide a crude "reliability rating" linked to
each message.</div>
<div>Though fallible and defeatable it could be a first mode of
alert - like the initial pause when you answer a robocall.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 4:14
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denounce a principle of cultural relativism that has
crept into the Lecture
discussion. The concept that opposing points of view
are always equally valid
is a form of crypto-fascism that for me is totally
unacceptable. It is Trump’s
“there are good guys on the other side”, which
included the
murderers of a demonstrator. Does anyone on the list
want to suggest that
clitorectomies are acceptable because “it’s part of
the culture”?
I do not intend to include responses to such notes
in my final summary. If this
position is not to the liking of some members, they
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