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body { font-family: Segoe UI; font-size: 12pt; } </style></head><body><div id="x049b35dc362d455"><blockquote type="cite" class="cite2"><div class="plain_line">In my opinion, there is indeed a link between computer science and</div>
<div class="plain_line">information science.</div>
<div class="plain_line">Isn't it?</div>
<div class="plain_line">If it can be demonstrated that there is not, it would be a result of</div>
<div class="plain_line">crucial importance for the FIS community.</div>
<div class="plain_line">But it is likely that it is a matter of opinion, and that such a</div>
<div class="plain_line">result cannot be decided.</div>
<div class="plain_line"><br /></div></blockquote>The picture attached shows that there is NOT such a direct link. It is based on the citation environments (citing and cited) of JASIST. Three clusters are distinguished: </div><div id="x049b35dc362d455"><br /></div><div id="x049b35dc362d455">1. Library and information sciences</div><div id="x049b35dc362d455">2. Information management</div><div id="x049b35dc362d455">3. computer science<br /><img src="cid:emced2e477-8e0e-4488-829b-a71102d8d3e8@pc2014" border="0" width="640" height="377" /></div><div id="x049b35dc362d455"><br /></div><div id="x049b35dc362d455">I hope that the system allows for the transmission. </div><div id="x049b35dc362d455"><br /></div><div id="x049b35dc362d455">Best,</div><div id="x049b35dc362d455">Loet</div><div id="x049b35dc362d455"><br /><blockquote type="cite" class="cite2">
<div class="plain_line">Best wishes,</div>
<div class="plain_line">Michel.</div>
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<div class="plain_line">Le ven. 27 déc. 2019 à 00:57, Xueshan Yan <<a href="mailto:yxs@pku.edu.cn">yxs@pku.edu.cn</a>> a écrit :</div>
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<div class="plain_line"> Dear Michel and Krassimir,</div>
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<div class="plain_line"> Thank you for your very important comments. I especially appreciate Krassimir's "Computer science is an engineering science" and the hint that Shannon thinks "His theory was not about information".</div>
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<div class="plain_line"> We are about to cross the boundary between 2019 and 2020. At this moment, Pedro will give a New Year Lecture every year. Here, he will summarize the FIS’s discussions in the past year and put forward the systematic arrangement in the next year. In his lecture, we usually can find some exciting ideas. So let's pause the current internal discussion on IS4SI's work and wait for Pedro's lecture.</div>
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<div class="plain_line"> Best wishes</div>
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<div class="plain_line"> Xueshan</div>
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<div class="plain_line"> From: Krassimir Markov <<a href="mailto:markov@foibg.com">markov@foibg.com</a>></div>
<div class="plain_line"> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 8:34 PM</div>
<div class="plain_line"> To: Michel Petitjean <<a href="mailto:petitjean.chiral@gmail.com">petitjean.chiral@gmail.com</a>>; Yan Xueshan <<a href="mailto:yxs@pku.edu.cn">yxs@pku.edu.cn</a>></div>
<div class="plain_line"> Cc: Marcin SCHROEDER <<a href="mailto:mjs@aiu.ac.jp">mjs@aiu.ac.jp</a>>; 钟义信 <<a href="mailto:zyx@bupt.edu.cn">zyx@bupt.edu.cn</a>>; annette.grathoff <<a href="mailto:annette.grathoff@is4si.org">annette.grathoff@is4si.org</a>>; fis <<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>>; mark burgin <<a href="mailto:markburg@cs.ucla.edu">markburg@cs.ucla.edu</a>>; Wolfgang Hofkirchner <<a href="mailto:wolfgang.hofkirchner@is4si.org">wolfgang.hofkirchner@is4si.org</a>>; take <<a href="mailto:take@digital-narcis.org">take@digital-narcis.org</a>>; czc0910 <<a href="mailto:czc0910@163.com">czc0910@163.com</a>>; denizhan <<a href="mailto:denizhan@boun.edu.tr">denizhan@boun.edu.tr</a>>; jdian <<a href="mailto:jdian@unileon.es">jdian@unileon.es</a>>; Gustavo Saldanha <<a href="mailto:saldanhaquim@gmail.com">saldanhaquim@gmail.com</a>>; 邬 <<a href="mailto:wukun@mail.xjtu.edu.cn">wukun@mail.xjtu.edu.cn</a>>; Pedro C. Marijuan <<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>>; Gordana Dodig Crnkovic <<a href="mailto:gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se">gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se</a>>; leb <<a href="mailto:leb@create.aau.dk">leb@create.aau.dk</a>>; sbr.msc <<a href="mailto:sbr.msc@cbs.dk">sbr.msc@cbs.dk</a>></div>
<div class="plain_line"> Subject: "The Bandwagon" !</div>
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<div class="plain_line"> Dear Xueshan, Michel, Marcin, and FIS Colleagues,</div>
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<div class="plain_line"> I answer to your closed discussion, because Michel has posted it in FIS list.</div>
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<div class="plain_line"> Culinary science is different from the science of making pots!</div>
<div class="plain_line"> Pots are just one of the technical tools that culinary science uses, but the end product of culinary science is the food, no matter with what means it is prepared.</div>
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<div class="plain_line"> But neither the culinary science nor the science of pots can correctly define the concept of "delicious"!</div>
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<div class="plain_line"> Computer science is the engineering science of creating data processing tools, as well as the science of data processing itself with computers.</div>
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<div class="plain_line"> Please read Shannon's article "The Bandwagon" (<a href="https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=1056774">https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=1056774</a>).</div>
<div class="plain_line"> He made it clear that his theory was not about information, it is just a theory of data transmission and it is too dangerous to transmit its results beyond the field of data transmission (communication).</div>
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<div class="plain_line"> Some colleagues confuse “data” and “information” concepts.</div>
<div class="plain_line"> Replace the word "information" in their writings with the word "data" and you will get brilliant theories.</div>
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<div class="plain_line"> The same applies to all other sciences - they can help with the right tools and experiments, but they can't define the concept of "information" correctly.</div>
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<div class="plain_line"> The concept of "information" is a philosophical one and only in philosophy is it possible to give a good definition to be used by other sciences.</div>
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<div class="plain_line"> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!</div>
<div class="plain_line"> Warm friendly greetings,</div>
<div class="plain_line"> Krassimir</div>
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