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<DIV><FONT size=4>I answer to your closed discussion, because Michel has posted
it in FIS list.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Culinary science is different from the science of making
pots!<BR>Pots are just one of the technical tools that culinary science uses,
but the end product of culinary science is the food, no matter with what means
it is prepared.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>But neither the culinary science nor the science of pots can
correctly define the concept of "delicious"!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Computer science is the engineering science of creating data
processing tools, as well as the science of data processing itself with
computers.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Please read Shannon's article "The Bandwagon" (</FONT><A
href="https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=1056774)"><FONT
size=4>https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=1056774)</FONT></A><FONT
size=4>. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>He made it clear that his theory was not about information, it
is just a theory of data transmission and it is too dangerous to transmit its
results beyond the field of data transmission (communication).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Some colleagues confuse “data” and “information” concepts.
<BR>Replace the word "information" in their writings with the word "data" and
you will get brilliant theories.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>The same applies to all other sciences - they can help with
the right tools and experiments, but they can't define the concept of
"information" correctly. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>The concept of "information" is a philosophical one and only
in philosophy is it possible to give a good definition to be used by other
sciences.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Warm friendly greetings,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Krassimir</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>-----Original Message----- </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>From: Michel Petitjean </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 11:19 AM </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>To: Yan Xueshan </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Cc: Marcin SCHROEDER ; 钟义信 ; annette.grathoff ; fis ; mark
burgin ; Wolfgang Hofkirchner ; take ; czc0910 ; denizhan ; jdian ; Gustavo
Saldanha ; 邬 ; Pedro C. Marijuan ; Gordana Dodig Crnkovic ; leb ; sbr.msc
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Subject: Re: [Fis] Newsletter and Season Greetings
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Dear Xueshan, dear All, dear FISers,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>This is a really important question: what are the relations
between</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>information science and computer science?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>At least the word "information" is common two both
fields.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Also, in my opinion, Shannon information should be considered
to be</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>part of both fields.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>However, more funding seems available via computer
science.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Michel.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Michel Petitjean</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Université de Paris, BFA, CNRS UMR 8251, INSERM ERL U1133,
F-75013 Paris, France</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Phone: +331 5727 8434; Fax: +331 5727 8372</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>E-mail: petitjean.chiral@gmail.com (preferred),</FONT></DIV>
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michel.petitjean@univ-paris-diderot.fr</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=4>http://petitjeanmichel.free.fr/itoweb.petitjean.html</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Le jeu. 26 déc. 2019 à 02:31, Xueshan Yan
<yxs@pku.edu.cn> a écrit :</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>> Dear Marcin,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>> I agree with your fundraising is an urgent issue in
IS4SI, but I only give a few lines on your point 5. You have touched the
tenderest area around us: Is computer science an information science? If is,
what is the relationship between it and the information science that we are
pursuing here? If not, why?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>> Higher education of information in Japan has some good
cases for us. Tohoku University, Tokyo University, etc. have treated technical
information and human information separately successfully. In a sense, they are
ahead of us.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>> Another question pressing us enough headache is: Is
genetics an information science? Same: Is neuroscience an information science?
The fundamental concept in both of these two disciplines is Information. Another
subject in which information becomes more and more basic in biology is
endocrinology.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>> Understanding of information science as a much broader
domain of study just is the pursuit of IS4SI, we only have the form but without
the content of it now, what could we propagate to related colleagues? So, not
only a big task is it, but a despairing task is it too. Beyond computer science,
biology, physics, and chemistry, etc. are the basic characteristics of FIS, but
this burden has been more and more beyond our ability and is becoming its
characteristics.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>> Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to all
colleagues!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>> Xueshan</FONT></DIV>
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