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<DIV>Dear Xueshan, Michel, Marcin, and FIS Colleagues,</DIV>
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<DIV>I answer to your closed discussion, because Michel has posted it in FIS
list.</DIV>
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<DIV>Culinary science is different from the science of making pots!<BR>Pots are
just one of the technical tools that culinary science uses, but the end product
of culinary science is the food, no matter with what means it is prepared.</DIV>
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<DIV>But neither the culinary science nor the science of pots can correctly
define the concept of "delicious"!</DIV>
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<DIV>Computer science is the engineering science of creating data processing
tools, as well as the science of data processing itself with computers.</DIV>
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<DIV>Please read Shannon's article "The Bandwagon" (<A
href="https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=1056774)">https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=1056774)</A>.
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<DIV>He made it clear that his theory was not about information, it is just a
theory of data transmission and it is too dangerous to transmit its results
beyond the field of data transmission (communication).</DIV>
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<DIV>Some colleagues confuse “data” and “information” concepts. <BR>Replace the
word "information" in their writings with the word "data" and you will get
brilliant theories.</DIV>
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<DIV>The same applies to all other sciences - they can help with the right tools
and experiments, but they can't define the concept of "information" correctly.
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<DIV>The concept of "information" is a philosophical one and only in philosophy
is it possible to give a good definition to be used by other sciences.</DIV>
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<DIV>Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!</DIV>
<DIV>Warm friendly greetings,</DIV>
<DIV>Krassimir</DIV>
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<DIV>-----Original Message----- </DIV>
<DIV>From: Michel Petitjean </DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 11:19 AM </DIV>
<DIV>To: Yan Xueshan </DIV>
<DIV>Cc: Marcin SCHROEDER ; 钟义信 ; annette.grathoff ; fis ; mark burgin ;
Wolfgang Hofkirchner ; take ; czc0910 ; denizhan ; jdian ; Gustavo Saldanha ; 邬
; Pedro C. Marijuan ; Gordana Dodig Crnkovic ; leb ; sbr.msc </DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [Fis] Newsletter and Season Greetings </DIV>
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<DIV>Dear Xueshan, dear All, dear FISers,</DIV>
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<DIV>This is a really important question: what are the relations between</DIV>
<DIV>information science and computer science?</DIV>
<DIV>At least the word "information" is common two both fields.</DIV>
<DIV>Also, in my opinion, Shannon information should be considered to be</DIV>
<DIV>part of both fields.</DIV>
<DIV>However, more funding seems available via computer science.</DIV>
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<DIV>Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Michel.</DIV>
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<DIV>Michel Petitjean</DIV>
<DIV>Université de Paris, BFA, CNRS UMR 8251, INSERM ERL U1133, F-75013 Paris,
France</DIV>
<DIV>Phone: +331 5727 8434; Fax: +331 5727 8372</DIV>
<DIV>E-mail: petitjean.chiral@gmail.com (preferred),</DIV>
<DIV>
michel.petitjean@univ-paris-diderot.fr</DIV>
<DIV>http://petitjeanmichel.free.fr/itoweb.petitjean.html</DIV>
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<DIV>Le jeu. 26 déc. 2019 à 02:31, Xueshan Yan <yxs@pku.edu.cn> a écrit
:</DIV>
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<DIV>> Dear Marcin,</DIV>
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<DIV>> I agree with your fundraising is an urgent issue in IS4SI, but I only
give a few lines on your point 5. You have touched the tenderest area around us:
Is computer science an information science? If is, what is the relationship
between it and the information science that we are pursuing here? If not,
why?</DIV>
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<DIV>> Higher education of information in Japan has some good cases for us.
Tohoku University, Tokyo University, etc. have treated technical information and
human information separately successfully. In a sense, they are ahead of
us.</DIV>
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<DIV>> Another question pressing us enough headache is: Is genetics an
information science? Same: Is neuroscience an information science? The
fundamental concept in both of these two disciplines is Information. Another
subject in which information becomes more and more basic in biology is
endocrinology.</DIV>
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<DIV>> Understanding of information science as a much broader domain of study
just is the pursuit of IS4SI, we only have the form but without the content of
it now, what could we propagate to related colleagues? So, not only a big task
is it, but a despairing task is it too. Beyond computer science, biology,
physics, and chemistry, etc. are the basic characteristics of FIS, but this
burden has been more and more beyond our ability and is becoming its
characteristics.</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to all colleagues!</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> Xueshan</DIV>
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