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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Francesco, your two messages of 26/11
      were properly distributed through the list. You can check by
      yourself at: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://listas.unizar.es/pipermail/fis/">http://listas.unizar.es/pipermail/fis/</a></div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Did you need to include in cc. other
      parties and the list about this inquiry?<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Best--Pedro</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 02/12/2019 a las 7:47, Francesco
      Rizzo escribió:<br>
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cite="mid:CAEvKwySUOe=M7-XaKMcUbBtKPyUjsgpsSmSz7FQsaVZLGQ2DzQ@mail.gmail.com">
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      <div dir="ltr">Cari tutti,
        <div>che fine ha fatto il messaggio che Vi ho inviato il 26
          novembre scorso? Mi sembra assai strano che le mie
          considerazioni sui concetti-principi-espressioni di
          informazione, dis-informazioni, tras-informazione, tras-in
          (de) formazione, etc.,  di cui avete parlato Voi in modo molto
          interessante ed ho parlato anch'io siano rimasti inosservati!</div>
        <div>Tuttavia, continuo a rappresentare la fede dell'obbedienza
          o l'obbedienza della fede nei Vostri confronti, trasmettendovi
          il seguente stralcio di una mia scrittura (Rizzo F., "Valore e
          valutazioni. La scienza dell'economia o l'economia della
          scienza", FrancoAngeli, Milano, 1995-1999, pp. 638-639) che
          potrebbe rivelarsi proficuo e utile al confronto-discussione
          della Fis</div>
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              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New
              Roman",serif;color:black"> </span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">⌠A. </span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">Se
              il messaggio ha finalità estetiche non può non essere
              strutturato in modo
              ambiguo o, apparentemente, contraddittorio. <b>In quanto
                <i>affermazione </i>di un
                codice è ordine che si sovrap</b></span><b><span
                style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">–</span></b><b><span
                style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">pone
                come sistema di probabilità, in quanto negazione di un
                codice di cui
                contravviene l‘organizzazione dei significati e la forma
                fisica dei
                significanti, fa cadere il recettore in uno stato di
                eccitazione e di tensione
                interpretativa</span></b><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">.<b> </b></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
                style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">L’ambiguità
                del messaggio
                introduce disordine o incertezza nel codice che era
                stato concepito come
                sovrapposizione ordinata al disordine entropico
                dell’equi</span></b><b><span
                style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">–</span></b><b><span
                style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">probabilità
                della fonte</span></b><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">. Questo
              processo semiotico può schematizzarsi
              nel seguente modo: </span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">disordine
              (entropico) iniziale </span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">→ </span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">sistema
              di probabilità (codice) </span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">→</span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"> un
              messaggio introduce disordine nell’ordine
              iniziale e diventa la sorgente di una nuova catena
              comunicativa </span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">→</span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"> filtra i
              significanti e diventa un nuovo
              messaggio  </span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">→ </span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">facendo
              sorgere un nuovo potenziale d’informazione </span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">→</span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"> che
              corrisponde al (secondo) messaggio
              interpretato e significato </span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">→</span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">
              l’informazione così selezionata non è computabile
              quantitativamente, al pari
              del messaggio-fonte </span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">→</span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"> a questo
              punto la teoria dell'informazione
              diventa teoria della comunicazione </span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">→</span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">
              «conserva uno schema categoriale di base e perde
              l’impianto algoritmico» </span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">[</span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">Eco, 20, p.
              127</span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">]</span><a
              href="#m_8961549729360424113__ftn1"
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                  style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"><span
                    style="vertical-align:super"><span
                      style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">[1]</span></span></span></span></a><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"> </span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">→</span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">
              la teoria dell'informazione così lascia il posto a una
              semiologia ed a una
              semantica poiché si entra nell’universo del significato. </span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">La teoria
              dell’informazione non serve ad attribuire significato al
              messaggio estetico</span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">–</span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">creativo
              (poetico o economico). Secondo le
              funzioni del linguaggio proposte da Jakobson </span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">[</span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">21</span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">]</span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">, un
              messaggio può svolgere, di volta in volta,
              le seguenti funzioni:</span></p>
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0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">a.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
                New Roman"">   
              </span></span><b><i><span
                  style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">referenziale</span></i></b><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">: il
              messaggio denota realtà fisiche e
              culturali;</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">b.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
                New Roman"">   
              </span></span><b><i><span
                  style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">emotiva</span></i></b><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">: il
              messaggio tende a suscitare reazioni
              emozionali;</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">c.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
                New Roman"">   
              </span></span><b><i><span
                  style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">imperativa</span></i></b><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">: il
              messaggio rappresenta un comando;</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">d.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
                New Roman"">  
              </span></span><b><i><span
                  style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">fatica
                  o di contatto</span></i></b><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">: il
              messaggio mira a verificare e confermare il contatto tra
              due interlocutori;</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">e.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
                New Roman"">   
              </span></span><b><i><span
                  style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">meta</span></i></b><b><i><span
                  style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">–</span></i></b><b><i><span
                  style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">linguistica</span></i></b><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">: il
              messaggio elegge a proprio oggetto un
              altro messaggio;</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">f.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
                New Roman"">    
              </span></span><b><i><span
                  style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">estetica</span></i></b><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">: il
              messaggio si presenta strutturato in
              maniera ambigua e sembra autoreferenziale perchè intende
              attirare le attenzioni
              del destinatario sulla propria forma </span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">[</span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">Eco,
              22, p. 62</span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">]</span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">. </span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
                style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">Ogni
                messaggio può svolgere
                contemporaneamente o alternativamente o
                discontinuamente, tutte le funzioni
                sopraelencate. Con qualche cambiamento gergale o
                lessicale questo ragionamento
                può riferirsi ai messaggi economici</span></b><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">. Chi
              svolge un’attività economica di marketing semiotico</span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">–</span><span
              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">pubblicitario,
              parla o scrive o rappresenta
              graficamente <i>riferendosi</i> ad oggetti o
              beni economici con l’intento di <b><i>convincere</i> o
                persuadere i suoi clienti
                (acquirenti o venditori) in senso utilitaristico,
                critico, ludico, mitico o
                utopico e <i>spingerli</i> alla decisione di
                comprare o vendere</b> mantenendo con essi <i>contatti
              </i>economici verbali (fatti di apostrofi e appelli), <i>spiegando
              </i>il senso o la qualità economica delle cose che dice, e
              costruendo tutto il suo messaggio con una intenzione <i>estetica</i>
              di base </span><span
              style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:12pt">⌡</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:12pt;text-indent:14.2pt">.</span></p>
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          <div>Un abbraccio affettuoso a tutti, perchè è importante
            l'armonia dell'accordo, ma ancora di più l'armonia del
            dis-accordo!<br>
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                          style="font-size:10pt;line-height:107%;vertical-align:baseline">[1]</span></span></span></span></a><span
                  style="font-family:Times,serif"> Il passaggio dalla
                  teoria dell’informazione
                  (matematica) alla teoria della comunicazione fa
                  perdere a quest’ultima l’“impianto
                  algoritmico” indispensabile per qualunque processo di
                  misurazione, ma ciò non
                  significa cadere nell’impossibilità di ap</span><span
                  style="font-family:Times,serif">–</span><span
                  style="font-family:Times,serif">prezzare e valutare
                  l’organizzazione o la
                  capacità comunicativa di un sistema, un con</span><span
                  style="font-family:Times,serif">–</span><span
                  style="font-family:Times,serif">testo, un poema, un
                  bene
                  (economico) etc., facendo ricorso agli approcci multi</span><span
                  style="font-family:Times,serif">–</span><span
                  style="font-family:Times,serif">criteriali
                  caratteristici della matematica “douce”, qualitativa,
                  sociale, flessibile.
                  Quest’opera prova che se gli economisti neoclassici
                  sono stati capaci di
                  concepire la più ferrea e deterministica concezione
                  economico</span><span style="font-family:Times,serif">–</span><span
                  style="font-family:Times,serif">matematica
                  attorno alla teoria del valore</span><span
                  style="font-family:Times,serif">–</span><span
                  style="font-family:Times,serif">utilità (non meno
                  sfuggente della
                  comunicazione), ci saranno i tempi ed i modi per
                  elaborare una nuova economia
                  basata anche sulla comunicazione semantica con
                  risultati accettabili e,
                  comunque, non minori o inferiori di quelli raggiunti
                  in precedenza dalle altre “scuole”.
                  Beninteso, questi “dubbi” metodo</span><span
                  style="font-family:Times,serif">–</span><span
                  style="font-family:Times,serif">logici si riferiscono
                  solo alle eventuali
                  difficoltà di valutazione empirica della componente
                  comunicativa nell’attività
                  economica di produzione e di consumo, in quanto per il
                  resto la nuova “matrice
                  disciplinaria” della scienza economica è già realtà
                  ricca di grandi e
                  imprevedibili potenzialità</span><span
                  style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Times,serif">.</span></p>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno gio 28 nov 2019 alle
          ore 16:05 Bruno Marchal <<a href="mailto:marchal@ulb.ac.be"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">marchal@ulb.ac.be</a>>
          ha scritto:<br>
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        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
          0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div>Dear Colleagues,
            <div><br>
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            <div><br>
              <div>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div>On 27 Nov 2019, at 22:29, Joseph Brenner <<a
                      href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>>
                    wrote:</div>
                  <br>
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                    <div bgcolor="white" lang="FR">
                      <div>
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                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">Dear
                              Colleagues,</span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">I thank
                              both those
                              of you who commented and those who did
                              not. I would like to understand the
                              latter - why there were only 6 responses:
                              was my formulation in fact too
                              ‘political’?
                              Do people think that negative things like
                              disinformation don’t require
                              analysis? The key things I learned: </span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Times New Roman"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">Annette:
                            </span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">Three
                              clear
                              contributions:</span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">1)
                              Understanding
                              disinformation and misinformation is part
                              of a full conceptualization of
                              information. </span></font></div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>I am not sure why my comment appear in a different
                  thread, yet with the set title.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Anyway, I agree a lot with this statement by
                  Annette. Actually, in elementary arithmetic the
                  disinformation on physics seems so high that it makes
                  a priori Mechanism false. But incompleteness
                  eventually explains why we still converge to the right
                  physics when accumulating the information, although a
                  lot of work will remain to test this with Nature.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Gödel’s theorem shows why disinformation
                  necessarily occur: <>t -> <>[]f.
                  Consistency (= ~[]f = <>t) implies the
                  consistency of inconsistencies. Universal machine can
                  lie, and indeed, the lies provides direct personal
                  benefits, albeit payed by the others.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <br>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div>
                    <div bgcolor="white" lang="FR">
                      <div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB"></span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">2)
                              Principles
                              applying to them may have essential
                              implications for the underlying physics
                              (and other sciences).</span></font></div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Again, that is very important.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <br>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div>
                    <div bgcolor="white" lang="FR">
                      <div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB"></span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">3) We
                              should list
                              again the things we do <i><span
                                  style="font-style:italic">not </span></i>understand
                              as a key part of our strategy.</span></font></div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>OK again, but that is not that simple. The strategy
                  here is very similar to Plato strategy in Metaphysics,
                  but its “best” student, Aristotle, did not understood
                  this at all.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <br>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div>
                    <div bgcolor="white" lang="FR">
                      <div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB"></span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">Jaime:</span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">A
                              melancholy
                              posting. I had thought human beings
                              possessed recursive levels of cognitive
                              processing
                              such that even disinformation and selfish
                              behavior are the not the results of blind
                              instinct alone. When those capacities
                              atrophy . . .    </span></font></div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>L’homme est un loup pour l’homme...</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <br>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div>
                    <div bgcolor="white" lang="FR">
                      <div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">Krassimir:</span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">1) The
                              strengths and
                              weaknesses of what it is to be human.</span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">2) Avoid
                              lies <i><span style="font-style:italic">and
                                </span></i>liar paradoxes. They are
                              binary
                              ‘traps’ for thought.</span></font></div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>OK.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <br>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div>
                    <div bgcolor="white" lang="FR">
                      <div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB"></span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">Terry:</span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">Thank
                              you. Clearly,</span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">1)
                              Normative aspects
                              of information should be an essential part
                              of a full scientific
                              conceptualization of it.</span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">2) Lets
                              start with
                              just <i><span style="font-style:italic">one
                                </span></i>way to mitigate the
                              operation of disinformation.</span></font></div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Education and research, and this in all domain.
                  Disinformation will die when we stop fearing the
                  possible truth, and when theology is back to science
                  (modesty, no claim of any truth, etc.).</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <br>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div>
                    <div bgcolor="white" lang="FR">
                      <div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB"></span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">Joseph:</span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">I mention
                              a term I just
                              heard for the first time on Swiss TV –
                              infobesity.</span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">We need
                              an informational
                              biotope to treat this.</span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">I look
                              forward to a
                              next round, even though this is not a
                              formal discussion topic.</span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
                            face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
                              Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">Best
                              wishes. </span></font></div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>All the best,</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Bruno</div>
                <div><br>
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