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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Francesco, your two messages of 26/11
were properly distributed through the list. You can check by
yourself at: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://listas.unizar.es/pipermail/fis/">http://listas.unizar.es/pipermail/fis/</a></div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Did you need to include in cc. other
parties and the list about this inquiry?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Best--Pedro</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 02/12/2019 a las 7:47, Francesco
Rizzo escribió:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Cari tutti,
<div>che fine ha fatto il messaggio che Vi ho inviato il 26
novembre scorso? Mi sembra assai strano che le mie
considerazioni sui concetti-principi-espressioni di
informazione, dis-informazioni, tras-informazione, tras-in
(de) formazione, etc., di cui avete parlato Voi in modo molto
interessante ed ho parlato anch'io siano rimasti inosservati!</div>
<div>Tuttavia, continuo a rappresentare la fede dell'obbedienza
o l'obbedienza della fede nei Vostri confronti, trasmettendovi
il seguente stralcio di una mia scrittura (Rizzo F., "Valore e
valutazioni. La scienza dell'economia o l'economia della
scienza", FrancoAngeli, Milano, 1995-1999, pp. 638-639) che
potrebbe rivelarsi proficuo e utile al confronto-discussione
della Fis</div>
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style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">⌠A. </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">Se
il messaggio ha finalità estetiche non può non essere
strutturato in modo
ambiguo o, apparentemente, contraddittorio. <b>In quanto
<i>affermazione </i>di un
codice è ordine che si sovrap</b></span><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">–</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">pone
come sistema di probabilità, in quanto negazione di un
codice di cui
contravviene l‘organizzazione dei significati e la forma
fisica dei
significanti, fa cadere il recettore in uno stato di
eccitazione e di tensione
interpretativa</span></b><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">.<b> </b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">L’ambiguità
del messaggio
introduce disordine o incertezza nel codice che era
stato concepito come
sovrapposizione ordinata al disordine entropico
dell’equi</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">–</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">probabilità
della fonte</span></b><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">. Questo
processo semiotico può schematizzarsi
nel seguente modo: </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">disordine
(entropico) iniziale </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">→ </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">sistema
di probabilità (codice) </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">→</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"> un
messaggio introduce disordine nell’ordine
iniziale e diventa la sorgente di una nuova catena
comunicativa </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">→</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"> filtra i
significanti e diventa un nuovo
messaggio </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">→ </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">facendo
sorgere un nuovo potenziale d’informazione </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">→</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"> che
corrisponde al (secondo) messaggio
interpretato e significato </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">→</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">
l’informazione così selezionata non è computabile
quantitativamente, al pari
del messaggio-fonte </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">→</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"> a questo
punto la teoria dell'informazione
diventa teoria della comunicazione </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">→</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">
«conserva uno schema categoriale di base e perde
l’impianto algoritmico» </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">[</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">Eco, 20, p.
127</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">]</span><a
href="#m_8961549729360424113__ftn1"
name="m_8961549729360424113__ftnref1" title=""
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="vertical-align:super"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"><span
style="vertical-align:super"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">[1]</span></span></span></span></a><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"> </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">→</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">
la teoria dell'informazione così lascia il posto a una
semiologia ed a una
semantica poiché si entra nell’universo del significato. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">La teoria
dell’informazione non serve ad attribuire significato al
messaggio estetico</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">–</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">creativo
(poetico o economico). Secondo le
funzioni del linguaggio proposte da Jakobson </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">[</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">21</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">]</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">, un
messaggio può svolgere, di volta in volta,
le seguenti funzioni:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">a.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
New Roman"">
</span></span><b><i><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">referenziale</span></i></b><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">: il
messaggio denota realtà fisiche e
culturali;</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">b.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
New Roman"">
</span></span><b><i><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">emotiva</span></i></b><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">: il
messaggio tende a suscitare reazioni
emozionali;</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">c.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
New Roman"">
</span></span><b><i><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">imperativa</span></i></b><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">: il
messaggio rappresenta un comando;</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">d.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
New Roman"">
</span></span><b><i><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">fatica
o di contatto</span></i></b><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">: il
messaggio mira a verificare e confermare il contatto tra
due interlocutori;</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">e.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
New Roman"">
</span></span><b><i><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">meta</span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">–</span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">linguistica</span></i></b><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">: il
messaggio elegge a proprio oggetto un
altro messaggio;</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">f.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
New Roman"">
</span></span><b><i><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">estetica</span></i></b><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">: il
messaggio si presenta strutturato in
maniera ambigua e sembra autoreferenziale perchè intende
attirare le attenzioni
del destinatario sulla propria forma </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">[</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">Eco,
22, p. 62</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">]</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">Ogni
messaggio può svolgere
contemporaneamente o alternativamente o
discontinuamente, tutte le funzioni
sopraelencate. Con qualche cambiamento gergale o
lessicale questo ragionamento
può riferirsi ai messaggi economici</span></b><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">. Chi
svolge un’attività economica di marketing semiotico</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">–</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif">pubblicitario,
parla o scrive o rappresenta
graficamente <i>riferendosi</i> ad oggetti o
beni economici con l’intento di <b><i>convincere</i> o
persuadere i suoi clienti
(acquirenti o venditori) in senso utilitaristico,
critico, ludico, mitico o
utopico e <i>spingerli</i> alla decisione di
comprare o vendere</b> mantenendo con essi <i>contatti
</i>economici verbali (fatti di apostrofi e appelli), <i>spiegando
</i>il senso o la qualità economica delle cose che dice, e
costruendo tutto il suo messaggio con una intenzione <i>estetica</i>
di base </span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:12pt">⌡</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:12pt;text-indent:14.2pt">.</span></p>
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<div>Un abbraccio affettuoso a tutti, perchè è importante
l'armonia dell'accordo, ma ancora di più l'armonia del
dis-accordo!<br>
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0.0001pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a
href="#m_8961549729360424113__ftnref1"
name="m_8961549729360424113__ftn1" title=""
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="vertical-align:super"><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="vertical-align:super"><span
style="font-size:10pt;line-height:107%;vertical-align:baseline">[1]</span></span></span></span></a><span
style="font-family:Times,serif"> Il passaggio dalla
teoria dell’informazione
(matematica) alla teoria della comunicazione fa
perdere a quest’ultima l’“impianto
algoritmico” indispensabile per qualunque processo di
misurazione, ma ciò non
significa cadere nell’impossibilità di ap</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif">–</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif">prezzare e valutare
l’organizzazione o la
capacità comunicativa di un sistema, un con</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif">–</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif">testo, un poema, un
bene
(economico) etc., facendo ricorso agli approcci multi</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif">–</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif">criteriali
caratteristici della matematica “douce”, qualitativa,
sociale, flessibile.
Quest’opera prova che se gli economisti neoclassici
sono stati capaci di
concepire la più ferrea e deterministica concezione
economico</span><span style="font-family:Times,serif">–</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif">matematica
attorno alla teoria del valore</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif">–</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif">utilità (non meno
sfuggente della
comunicazione), ci saranno i tempi ed i modi per
elaborare una nuova economia
basata anche sulla comunicazione semantica con
risultati accettabili e,
comunque, non minori o inferiori di quelli raggiunti
in precedenza dalle altre “scuole”.
Beninteso, questi “dubbi” metodo</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif">–</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif">logici si riferiscono
solo alle eventuali
difficoltà di valutazione empirica della componente
comunicativa nell’attività
economica di produzione e di consumo, in quanto per il
resto la nuova “matrice
disciplinaria” della scienza economica è già realtà
ricca di grandi e
imprevedibili potenzialità</span><span
style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Times,serif">.</span></p>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno gio 28 nov 2019 alle
ore 16:05 Bruno Marchal <<a href="mailto:marchal@ulb.ac.be"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">marchal@ulb.ac.be</a>>
ha scritto:<br>
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<div>Dear Colleagues,
<div><br>
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<div><br>
<div>
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<div>On 27 Nov 2019, at 22:29, Joseph Brenner <<a
href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">Dear
Colleagues,</span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">I thank
both those
of you who commented and those who did
not. I would like to understand the
latter - why there were only 6 responses:
was my formulation in fact too
‘political’?
Do people think that negative things like
disinformation don’t require
analysis? The key things I learned: </span></font></div>
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face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">Annette:
</span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">Three
clear
contributions:</span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">1)
Understanding
disinformation and misinformation is part
of a full conceptualization of
information. </span></font></div>
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<div>I am not sure why my comment appear in a different
thread, yet with the set title.</div>
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<div>Anyway, I agree a lot with this statement by
Annette. Actually, in elementary arithmetic the
disinformation on physics seems so high that it makes
a priori Mechanism false. But incompleteness
eventually explains why we still converge to the right
physics when accumulating the information, although a
lot of work will remain to test this with Nature.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Gödel’s theorem shows why disinformation
necessarily occur: <>t -> <>[]f.
Consistency (= ~[]f = <>t) implies the
consistency of inconsistencies. Universal machine can
lie, and indeed, the lies provides direct personal
benefits, albeit payed by the others.</div>
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</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">2)
Principles
applying to them may have essential
implications for the underlying physics
(and other sciences).</span></font></div>
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<div>Again, that is very important.</div>
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face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
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<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">3) We
should list
again the things we do <i><span
style="font-style:italic">not </span></i>understand
as a key part of our strategy.</span></font></div>
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<div>OK again, but that is not that simple. The strategy
here is very similar to Plato strategy in Metaphysics,
but its “best” student, Aristotle, did not understood
this at all.</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
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<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">Jaime:</span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">A
melancholy
posting. I had thought human beings
possessed recursive levels of cognitive
processing
such that even disinformation and selfish
behavior are the not the results of blind
instinct alone. When those capacities
atrophy . . . </span></font></div>
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</blockquote>
<div><br>
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<div>L’homme est un loup pour l’homme...</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">1) The
strengths and
weaknesses of what it is to be human.</span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">2) Avoid
lies <i><span style="font-style:italic">and
</span></i>liar paradoxes. They are
binary
‘traps’ for thought.</span></font></div>
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<div>OK.</div>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
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<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">Terry:</span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
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you. Clearly,</span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">1)
Normative aspects
of information should be an essential part
of a full scientific
conceptualization of it.</span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">2) Lets
start with
just <i><span style="font-style:italic">one
</span></i>way to mitigate the
operation of disinformation.</span></font></div>
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<div>Education and research, and this in all domain.
Disinformation will die when we stop fearing the
possible truth, and when theology is back to science
(modesty, no claim of any truth, etc.).</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
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<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
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a term I just
heard for the first time on Swiss TV –
infobesity.</span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
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an informational
biotope to treat this.</span></font></div>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida
Sans Unicode"" lang="EN-GB">I look
forward to a
next round, even though this is not a
formal discussion topic.</span></font></div>
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<div>All the best,</div>
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<div>Bruno</div>
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