<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Colleagues,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 27 Nov 2019, at 22:29, Joseph Brenner <<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" class="">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="Section1"><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">Dear Colleagues,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">I thank both those
of you who commented and those who did not. I would like to understand the
latter - why there were only 6 responses: was my formulation in fact too ‘political’?
Do people think that negative things like disinformation don’t require
analysis? The key things I learned: <o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">Annette: <o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">Three clear
contributions:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">1) Understanding
disinformation and misinformation is part of a full conceptualization of
information. </span></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>I am not sure why my comment appear in a different thread, yet with the set title.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Anyway, I agree a lot with this statement by Annette. Actually, in elementary arithmetic the disinformation on physics seems so high that it makes a priori Mechanism false. But incompleteness eventually explains why we still converge to the right physics when accumulating the information, although a lot of work will remain to test this with Nature.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Gödel’s theorem shows why disinformation necessarily occur: <>t -> <>[]f. Consistency (= ~[]f = <>t) implies the consistency of inconsistencies. Universal machine can lie, and indeed, the lies provides direct personal benefits, albeit payed by the others.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="white" lang="FR" link="blue" vlink="blue" class=""><div class="Section1"><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">2) Principles
applying to them may have essential implications for the underlying physics
(and other sciences).</span></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Again, that is very important.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="white" lang="FR" link="blue" vlink="blue" class=""><div class="Section1"><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">3) We should list
again the things we do <i class=""><span style="font-style:italic" class="">not </span></i>understand
as a key part of our strategy.</span></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>OK again, but that is not that simple. The strategy here is very similar to Plato strategy in Metaphysics, but its “best” student, Aristotle, did not understood this at all.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="white" lang="FR" link="blue" vlink="blue" class=""><div class="Section1"><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">Jaime:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">A melancholy
posting. I had thought human beings possessed recursive levels of cognitive processing
such that even disinformation and selfish behavior are the not the results of blind
instinct alone. When those capacities atrophy . . . </span></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>L’homme est un loup pour l’homme...</div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="white" lang="FR" link="blue" vlink="blue" class=""><div class="Section1"><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">Krassimir:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">1) The strengths and
weaknesses of what it is to be human.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">2) Avoid lies <i class=""><span style="font-style:italic" class="">and </span></i>liar paradoxes. They are binary
‘traps’ for thought.</span></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>OK.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="white" lang="FR" link="blue" vlink="blue" class=""><div class="Section1"><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">Terry:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">Thank you. Clearly,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">1) Normative aspects
of information should be an essential part of a full scientific
conceptualization of it.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">2) Lets start with
just <i class=""><span style="font-style:italic" class="">one </span></i>way to mitigate the
operation of disinformation.</span></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Education and research, and this in all domain. Disinformation will die when we stop fearing the possible truth, and when theology is back to science (modesty, no claim of any truth, etc.).</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="white" lang="FR" link="blue" vlink="blue" class=""><div class="Section1"><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">Joseph:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">I mention a term I just
heard for the first time on Swiss TV – infobesity.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">We need an informational
biotope to treat this.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">I look forward to a
next round, even though this is not a formal discussion topic.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class="">Best wishes. </span></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>All the best,</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Bruno</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="white" lang="FR" link="blue" vlink="blue" class=""><div class="Section1"><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div>
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