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<DIV><FONT size=4><FONT color=#000000>Dear <SPAN lang=EN-US
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf9f8">Christophe,</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf9f8" color=#000000 size=4><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="COLOR: ; mso-ansi-language: en-us"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: ; DISPLAY: inline !important">I remember your
presentation.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf9f8" color=#000000 size=4><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="COLOR: ; mso-ansi-language: en-us"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: ; DISPLAY: inline !important">What you call “constraints” I
call “information expectation”.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf9f8" color=#000000 size=4><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="COLOR: ; mso-ansi-language: en-us"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: ; DISPLAY: inline !important">I think they are
similar.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf9f8" color=#000000 size=4><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="COLOR: ; mso-ansi-language: en-us"><SPAN
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4 face=Calibri><EM>Pre-biotic universe is equal to
Post-Humans one !</EM></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4 face=Calibri>Dear Bruno,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4 face=Calibri>To be specified one needs another
one who can specify him/her/it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4 face=Calibri>Who can specify the “the most
highly specified object there can be" ?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4 face=Calibri>Friendly greetings</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4 face=Calibri>Krassimir</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=christophe.menant@hotmail.fr
href="mailto:christophe.menant@hotmail.fr">Christophe Menant</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 02, 2019 11:14 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=ssalthe@binghamton.edu
href="mailto:ssalthe@binghamton.edu">Stanley N Salthe</A> ; <A
title=fis@listas.unizar.es href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fis] FIS discussions. Units</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: rgb(50,49,48)">Dear Stan,
<BR></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #323130; mso-ansi-language: en-us"><BR></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: rgb(50,49,48)">I agree with your
answer to Q4 positioning meaning and information as paving the path from
inanimate to animate.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #323130; mso-ansi-language: en-us"><BR></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: rgb(50,49,48)">Let me propose to
complement your wording by saying that physical and chemical laws exist
everywhere (to characterize the inanimate). And that “harnessing physical and
chemical processes for the production of complex wholes” (for the animate) can
be understood as submitting physical and chemical processes to the local
constraints of the animate entity. </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #323130; mso-ansi-language: en-us"><BR></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: rgb(50,49,48)">An important aspect is
that physico-chemical laws apply everywhere, but local constraints apply only at
the location of the animate entity (like a “stay alive” constraint). The
difference is mostly in the locality of the constraint associated to information
and meaning for the animate entity.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #323130; mso-ansi-language: en-us"><BR></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: rgb(50,49,48)">And focusing on local
constraints allows to introduce agency and autonomy quite naturally:</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #323130; mso-ansi-language: en-us"><BR></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: rgb(50,49,48)">We can define an agent
as an entity submitted to an internal constraint and capable of action to
satisfy the constraint. </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #323130; mso-ansi-language: en-us"><BR></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: rgb(50,49,48)">Then, an autonomous
agent is an agent that can satisfy its constraints by its own. </SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #323130; mso-ansi-language: en-us"><BR></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: rgb(50,49,48)">For Q5, I also agree
with your answer and would just propose a rewording: </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #323130; mso-ansi-language: en-us"><BR></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: rgb(50,49,48)">animate objects use
inanimate objects to satisfy their constraints (animate objects can be animals,
humans or artificial agents). </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #323130; mso-ansi-language: en-us"><BR></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: rgb(50,49,48)">More can be said in an
evolutionary background about information, meaning and constraint, starting at a
pre-biotic level and looking at a possible post-human one. You may remember an
IS4SI 2017 presentation on that subject (</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><A
href="https://philpapers.org/rec/MENICA-2"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; BACKGROUND: white; COLOR: rgb(0,0,153)">https://philpapers.org/rec/MENICA-2</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: rgb(50,49,48)">) <BR></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US
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the best<BR></SPAN></SPAN></P>
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<DIV id=divRplyFwdMsg dir=ltr><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" color=#000000
face="Calibri, sans-serif"><B>De :</B> Fis <fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es>
de la part de Stanley N Salthe <ssalthe@binghamton.edu><BR><B>Envoyé :</B>
jeudi 31 octobre 2019 20:47<BR><B>À :</B> fis
<fis@listas.unizar.es><BR><B>Objet :</B> Re: [Fis] FIS discussions.
Units</FONT>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Pedro -- my answers to your two questions:
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<P class=x_gmail-p1><SPAN class=x_gmail-s1>Q4: Does an informed path exist which
logically organizes the inanimate into the animate?</SPAN></P>
<P class=x_gmail-p2><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5">
Physics and chemistry are concerned with events that are ‘spontaneous’,
requiring no ‘information’.</SPAN><BR><SPAN class=x_gmail-s1></SPAN></P>
<P class=x_gmail-p3><SPAN class=x_gmail-s1>Biology, however, is based in
information, which harnesses physical and chemical processes to the</SPAN></P>
<P class=x_gmail-p3><SPAN class=x_gmail-s1>production of complex wholes.
Biological systems and entities have, and are involved with,
meanings.</SPAN></P>
<P class=x_gmail-p3><SPAN class=x_gmail-s1>Thus, the ‘path’ from the inanimate
to the animate is ‘paved’ with information. Meaning and information </SPAN></P>
<P class=x_gmail-p3><SPAN class=x_gmail-s1>entail each other. </SPAN></P>
<P class=x_gmail-p2><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5">Q5: What </SPAN>are
relationships<SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5"> between the inanimate objects
</SPAN>and the animate<SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5"> objects?</SPAN><BR><SPAN
class=x_gmail-s1></SPAN></P>
<P class=x_gmail-p2><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5">
Animate objects(systems) manipulate inanimate
objects(resources).</SPAN><BR><SPAN class=x_gmail-s1></SPAN></P>
<P class=x_gmail-p2><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5">STAN</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=x_gmail_attr dir=ltr>On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 9:06 AM Pedro C.
Marijuan <<A
href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</A>>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<P>Dear List,</P>
<P>Some brief responses to Jerry and Karl.<BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Q4: Does an informed path exist which logically organizes
the inanimate into the animate?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Q5: What are relationships between the inanimate objects
and the animate objects?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Hypothesis: If two independent forms (parts) are copulated
(linked, conjoined, connected, bound) together, a novel interdependent
informed whole is formed. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Hypothesis: A set of atomic numbers can be composed into
an animate object by copulating the set of parts into a natural sort or kind
(an organized whole). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Pedro: Do these assertions add any light </FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: medium"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium">to
you critical quation </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium">about possible
relationships between units, the animate and the inanimate? Is
any simpler scientific </SPAN><FONT size=3>mathematics
possible?</FONT></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>Thanks for the abstraction effort, Jerry. Your whole questions set is a
very good discussion guide although enormously difficult to be answered, at
least in the biological realm. Even for a very simple cell, eg the prokaryote
(bacteria), the way its components are coupled and the relationship they keep
with their environment has not been properly put in informational terms yet,
as far as I know. A couple of years ago I made a pretty complete catalogue of
the "signaling parts" of E. coli, and the result was surprising for me (see
Marijuan et al., BioSystems, 2017). In a few words, "nothing was eaten that
had not been previously recognized by some signaling apparatus". It is
literal, for in the order of 200 'receptors' of all sort could check for 300
or more different types of 'food' molecules. Putting in another way, the
"energy flow" and the "information flow" of the living cell are completely
interrelated. And the result of their 'logical' coupling is the systematic
emergence of a life cycle that includes reproduction --Spinoza's principle of
conatus. What kind of elegant informational/logical synthesis could be made
(beyond the ensuing Darwinian Dogma)? <BR></P>
<P>Responding to Karl, I was surprised to find, some posts ago, a critique of
the equality sign. His idea, well argued from his multidimensional partitions
argument (equality hides from view the many possible variable distributions of
qualities inside the number's sumands), has been coincidentally developed by
other mathematicians in a different field: "infinite categories". See the
abstract below, (courtesy of Malcolm Dean). <BR></P>
<DIV class=x_gmail_default><B>With Category Theory, Mathematics Escapes From
Equality<BR></B><I>Two monumental works have led many mathematicians to avoid
the equal sign. Their goal: Rebuild the foundations of the discipline upon the
looser relationship of “equivalence.” The process has not always gone
smoothly.<BR></I></DIV>
<DIV class=x_gmail_default>Kevin Hartnett, Senior Writer<BR>
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<DIV class=x_gmail_default>Quanta Magazine, 10 October 2019</DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=x_gmail_default><I><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(26,26,26)">The equal
sign is the bedrock of mathematics. It seems to make an entirely fundamental
and uncontroversial statement: These things are exactly the
same.</SPAN></I></DIV>
<DIV class=x_gmail_default><I><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(26,26,26)">But <B>there
is a growing community of mathematicians who regard the equal sign as math’s
original error</B>. They see it as a veneer that hides important complexities
in the way quantities are related — complexities that could unlock solutions
to an enormous number of problems. They want to reformulate mathematics in the
looser language of equivalence. “We came up with this notion of equality,”
said</SPAN></I><I><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(26,26,26)"> </SPAN></I><I><A
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Campbell</A></I><I><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(26,26,26)"> </SPAN></I><I><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(26,26,26)">of Duke University. “It should have been
equivalence all along.” The most prominent figure in this community
is</SPAN></I><I><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(26,26,26)"> </SPAN></I><I><A
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originalsrc="https://www.ias.edu/scholars/lurie">Jacob Lurie</A></I><I><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(26,26,26)">. In July, Lurie, 41, left his tenured post at
Harvard University for a faculty position at the Institute for Advanced Study
in Princeton, New Jersey, home to many of the most revered mathematicians in
the world. Lurie’s ideas are sweeping on a scale rarely seen in any field.
Through his books, which span thousands of dense, technical pages, he has
constructed a strikingly different way to understand some of the most
essential concepts in math by moving beyond the equal sign. “I just think he
felt this was the correct way to think about mathematics,”
said</SPAN></I><I><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(26,26,26)"> </SPAN></I><I><A
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originalsrc="http://www.math.harvard.edu/~mjh/">Michael
Hopkins</A></I><I><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(26,26,26)">, a mathematician at
Harvard and Lurie’s graduate school adviser. Lurie published his first
book,</SPAN></I><I><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(26,26,26)"> </SPAN></I><I><A
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style="BOX-SIZING: border-box">Higher Topos Theory</EM></A></I><I><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(26,26,26)">, in 2009. The 944-page volume serves as a manual
for how to interpret established areas of mathematics in the <B>new language
of “infinity categories.”</B> In the years since, Lurie’s ideas have moved
into an increasingly wide range of mathematical disciplines. Many
mathematicians view them as indispensable to the future of the field. “No one
goes back once they’ve learned infinity categories,” said</SPAN></I><I><SPAN
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Francis</A></I><I><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(26,26,26)"> </SPAN></I><I><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(26,26,26)">of Northwestern University.</SPAN></I></DIV>
<DIV class=x_gmail_default><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(26,26,26)"><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=x_gmail_default><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(26,26,26)">So...
v</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(26,26,26)">ery good point by Karl! Could new
mathematical ideas provide the bio-mathematical (informational) synthesis
needed?<BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=x_gmail_default><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(26,26,26)">Best wishes to
all,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=x_gmail_default><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(26,26,26)">--Pedro<BR></SPAN></DIV><PRE cols="72">--
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Pedro C. Marijuán
Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
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