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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Foundation of a Chapter, not named yet<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The phase of harrumphing, giving the thumbs up, administering
last encouragements, declaring being prepared, readying for the taking off,
concluding preparatory motions, etc. etc. seems to have come to a slow and
predictable clause. Now we have two choices:<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">a) we keep telling each other how clever, learned, well-respected
we are, and how important our contributions to science and general welfare will
prove to be, and how elegantly we can keep on congratulating each other; or<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">b) we pony up and show the world that: what we have achieved
is indeed new and worth looking closely into. The central idea could be a <b><i>re-axiomatisation
of the term “unit”</i></b>. Once we have a clear picture of what a unit is, we
can imagine ways of how units interact among each other. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">To point b) may be counted the proposition of the accountant
here, and with due respect, Joseph himself. Josef writes: <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">“<span style="font-size:11pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:navy">Our units can be related to the <i>Ding-an-sich
</i>and other entities that have been discussed in the past, such as holons.”</span><span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">It may be one of my scientific life’s tragedies, that the
Guru I try to follow, rejects me as a suitable disciple. Many years ago, in
Liege, my contribution followed directly on Joseph’s. It was amazing for me to
recognise that I kept repeating: what the preceding speaker has expressed can
be fully supported by numeric models. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">That is indeed a supreme and rare acknowledgement from an
accountant. I do not know any other living person who advances an original idea
which has some esprit and spark-content while being understandable as a reasonably
built structure with the general idea of accountability and balance in the
background. Joseph thinks in a fully rational fashion, about concepts that are –
as yet – not fully understood in a rational fashion. Being an accountant
requires no courage, because one never leaves the subject of <i>a=a</i>,
therefore one cannot err, the infallibility comes with the trade. (This may
explain the effect of conversation-stopper of the frequent interjections of the
accountant.) Many artists create concepts of aliens visiting Earth. Most of the
imagined aliens could not exist because they contradict some elementary laws of
physics, etc. The mental creations Joseph sketches appear to be able to be
translated in possible interacting organisms which generate a system. It all
boils down, indeed, to units.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The connection to the Ding-an-sich being permissible, may
the accountant respectfully propose a slight improvement on the calculational
usefulness of multitudes of Ding-an-sich. Let us create a few differing
Dinger-an-sich, and have this branch off the main trunk of Philosophy to be
called the world of Einige Dinge an sich. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">You will not believe, exclamates the accountant, jumping up
and down, what marvels are possible if one uses a few differing units as the
basis of counting! Some of the mysteries you pontificate about appear to turn
out to be accounting translations between types, places and extents, and maybe
some more funny names.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">If we invent a new method of keeping count of the Ding an
sich, we shall be much more educated in matters relating to where things are
and how many of them, when. It does not need much, just urns, balls and colors,
and, before all else, an inquisitive mind (and a computer). The exercise of
memorising sutras, mantras relating to the basic nature of the Ding an sich and
the like was not yet necessary to learn, as each of the Dinger and sich was
just like any other of them. They – the Dinger an sich – could experience no
adventures, suffer no defeats or moments of glory, as the units were
traditionally not individuated. At court, one may not sing about the heroics of
slaves, as the slaves have no names and can not be distinguished. There was no
use heralding the Holy Tournament of Master Sequencers in Nurnberg, because
there were no Master Sequencers, actually the only sequencers they employed
used symbols that are arbitrary (the department of transport assigns number
plates the symbols of which are not immanent to the vehicle’s inner being.) The
idea is to treat the Ding an sich as distinguishable to a few of its fellow
Dinger an sich. This opens up extraordinary bounties of possible explanations
and gives work and tenure to generations of taxonomists and nomologists. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Once one begins meditating on whether this element will be
on that place on that moment, one finds that matter, energy, place,
predictability, stability, information, force, attraction, repulsion, duplication,
selection, etc. etc. are no more daunting to grasp than to agree with other
scientists which arrow is named how. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">If we had a tautomat in working order (not only this back of
the envelope feasibility study that is presently available), we could make
overhead presentation of the accounting facts and ask you: now, do you want the
difference between here and here be called ‘force’ or ‘predictability’ or what
else? Do you wish to call the effects that are caused by – point to table’s
rows and columns and graph – weak or strong or pepi-type transformation? <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Once more, this person says that the thoughts of the preceding
speaker can well be made explicit, well-defined and generally understood,
exactly understood. Joseph writes:<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:navy">such ‘units’ might be in the case
of information/knowledge. What we tentatively concluded, reframed here for
discussion, is that two kinds existed, one primarily epistemic, the other
ontological (or ontic, if you prefer). The latter carry energy, are not
independent and are unstable, that is, change. The former do not carry energy
as such, are independent and are stable. Different logics apply to the two
types, as one might expect.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:navy"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">These words await decisions. It is however, the users’, not
the accountants’ decision, how the numeric facts are named. Some call it a
loss, some call it costs of market entry. Once one employs units that come in
types, the immanent properties of the differences will be shown to create an
own class of logic. The vision described in Joseph’s sentences above can be
pointed to, and one may chew on the fine points of whether the predictability
of an element coming to a place or the certitude of an element actually being
on a place are more important, and by how much these two contrasting logical
concepts of units agree and disagree among each other. The tautomat delivers
the hidden mechanism, the underlying structure to the appearances related to
where, what, how many and when. To have a skeleton with tissue, on which the dermatologists
can base their rational thoughts, to have a satellite image of the terrain,
whatever the military men are planning, to have a factual background, on which
scientists can point out their ideas, to have such an all-purpose accounting
tool is to have access to the next phase of rational thinking. Depicting the
facts as they are is a core, fundamental belief in the system of beliefs that
is accounting. The facts accounting delivers are very well suited as a common
background for every kind of pointing out relations among units or concepts of
agglomerations of units.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">One third possible scenario is to gather crowd funding via
venture capital. Basic research does not sound really lucrative, but if the
trade had not come up from time to time with some rather juicily useful ideas,
it would have gone out of business centuries ago. The institute, where the
first laboratory version tautomat will be hosted, will have gotten a nice goose.
The golden eggs, about these the accountant is getting talkative. This goose
can lay such eggs that are if you want to read it this fashion, matter, read
otherwise, predictability and place. May it be suggested that the right
honourable learned friends think it through that expanding <i>a=a</i> into <i>pos(a)
{=,</i><i><span>≠</span>} pos(a)</i>
could contribute to a deeper understanding of what <i>pos()</i> stands for, and
this only at the cost of colouring some grand dozen balls in two colors and watching
how they reorder. If I was a young man, I’d bet on this idea, says the
accountant.<span></span></p>
</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Mo., 14. Okt. 2019 um 09:23 Uhr schrieb Joseph Brenner <<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color="navy"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:navy">Dear
Friends and Colleagues,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color="navy"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:navy" lang="EN-GB">This (rich) note of Annette’s, plus the previous one of Terry,
constitutes practically a new ‘Charter’ for FIS. I will only mention one bit
here. Annette writes:</span></font><font face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="EN-GB"> Entities respectively
matter (fermionic-, mass carrying) assemblies which can be moved (or move by
themselves) as independent, stable units give science a really tough challenge
for definition;</span></font><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color="navy"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:navy" lang="EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color="navy"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:navy" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color="navy"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:navy" lang="EN-GB">In my paper in <i><span style="font-style:italic">Philosophies</span></i>
with Andrei Igamberdiev earlier this year, we tried to identify what such ‘units’
might be in the case of information/knowledge. What we tentatively concluded,
reframed here for discussion, is that two kinds existed, one primarily
epistemic, the other ontological (or ontic, if you prefer). The latter carry
energy, are not independent and are unstable, that is, change. The former do
not carry energy as such, are independent and are stable. Different logics apply
to the two types, as one might expect.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color="navy"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:navy" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color="navy"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:navy" lang="EN-GB">I suggest the nature of information cannot be discussed without the
indicated differentiation, and an acknowledgement of the co-existence of epistemic
with ontological entities (in our brains). Our units can be related to the <i><span style="font-style:italic">Ding-an-sich </span></i>and other entities that have
been discussed in the past, such as holons.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color="navy"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:navy" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color="navy"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:navy" lang="EN-GB">Best wishes,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color="navy"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:navy" lang="EN-GB">Joseph <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold" lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma" lang="EN-US">
Fis [mailto:<u></u>fis<u></u>-<a href="mailto:bounces@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">bounces@listas.unizar.es</a>]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b><a href="mailto:annette.grathoff@is4si.org" target="_blank">annette.grathoff@is4si.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> dimanche, 13 octobre 2019
23:05<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <u></u>fis<u></u>@<a href="http://listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">listas.unizar.es</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [Fis] FIS discussions</span></font><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Dear FIS community,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">always listening to/ reading information study
related considerations outside and inside this forum leads me to realize:<br>
(weak) Consensus on what was formulated as “(…) information is a difference
which makes a difference.” (Gregory Bateson, Ecology of mind, p. 459) and<br>
strong dissent about what <em><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial">a difference</span></font></i></em> is and what <em><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial">making a difference</span></font></i></em> is.<br>
So I would like to inspire a start with what we have here:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><em><i><u><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Making a difference:</span></font></u></i></em><font face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">
Entities respectively matter (fermionic-, mass carrying) assemblies which can
be moved (or move by themselves) as independent, stable units give science a
really tough challenge for definition; for centuries. Maybe to make some
progress in explaining what <em><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial">making a difference</span></font></i></em> is, we need to live with
(axiomic) assumptions about matter as long as e.g. gravitational wave science,
quantum mechanics and condensed matter physics will get the
breakthrough-result.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Matter obviously can be different and can
react to influences making a difference on it. So the old idea that entities
consist of (matter and matter and their relationship) <sup>dimension, possibly
a fractal one</sup> can be used to describe what <em><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial">makes a difference</span></font></i></em> to
configurations of nested relationships. Concepts like property; transformation
through absorption & emission; threshold levels; state; reflection or more
generally: scattering of incoming impulses; topology and form depending on
distribution; … are useful inside a broad variety of disciplines handling
information study (being more or less aware) of it: Physics, Chemistry,
Biology, Information Philosophy, Communication Theory,…<br>
I see that we have theories building on this “axiom” in FIS.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">The next huge difficulty (connected to the
unclear status of matter) is to model the influence of <em><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial">what makes a difference</span></font></i></em> on
relationships which enable matter. Threshold levels are nice, but how can the
quality of relationships be in-formed through the special quality (pattern)
carried and transmitted by <em><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial">a difference which makes a difference</span></font></i></em>? Philosophy
helps us in understanding how meaningful communication can develop in
contextual environments and Sociology hints to connections between
meaningfulness and stability respectively cooperation and trust. But this both
is observed in very highly developed systems and provides little help for
understanding more basic dynamics. Regarding those, I bet on wave mechanics to
promote our basic knowledge here (but you know that I got very involved in this
in my project, so bias is not excluded).<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><em><i><u><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">A difference</span></font></u></i></em><u><font face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">:</span></font></u><font face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">
Starting with inputs which surmount a threshold level of energy to trigger
internal transformation of matter under dissipation and arriving at
interference patterns in fields which can influence reflection (as in
holography) as well as differential absorption and subsequent internal
transformation, the field of existing research results concerning energy
circulation and pattern transmission is really rich. I personally would not dare
to think about patterns inside electromagnetic fields in context with complex
frequencies in patterns read from brains, since this is very far from my field
as chemical ecologist. But I share the experience that there is a lot of
fascination in working on understanding memory formation and EEG (and similar)
pattern interpretation! I have deep respect for science in that field.
Nevertheless my feeling is that we need to understand the quantitative -and
recently more important- <em><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial">qualitative</span></font></i></em>
generation of density field differences in radiation-matter interaction from a
basic level. Is differentiation between similar and less-similar possibly
involved in absorption, reflection and transmission of (electromagnetic) waves
by matter? With this we can progress through understanding the (evolutionary
nested) onion to reach the level of information processing on the (now)
ultimate layer of communication and information technologies (connected to
brain dynamics). Fortunately we have started to make a start on any of those
layers already long times ago and created scientific subjects for any of them.
In Communication Theory we made progress in understanding channels, noise and
bandwidth and in Philosophy we made amazing progress understanding the concept
of meaning and contextual environments, already arriving at the point of
recognizing our own epistemic contexts; not to mention all the other
more-exterior lying layers of research on the onion and their results. So what
we have before us is mainly a deepening of knowledge plus communication and
organization of knowledge.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Let us use our funds, to invest into a
homepage which can attract more specialists in the different fields, which
organizes and presents our Berkeley- (and further) research reports and let us
connect this to the FIS forum to invite active discussion! This generates an
environment where the study of information can flourish.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Let me know of any organizational work which
the secretariat can do for you under <a href="mailto:Annette.grathoff@is4si.org" target="_blank">Annette.grathoff@is4si.org</a> (and if you wish to discuss
evolution of information processing systems or any information study related
topics with me, I would be very happy for a mail to this address, too! 😄). <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Best wishes,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Annette Grathoff<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Terrence W. DEACON wrote on 07.10.2019 19:41
(GMT +02:00):<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Dear colleagues, <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">I am glad to see that
there is interest in discussing the complex concept of information as it
applies to living phenomena more fundamental than language (e.g. memory and
molecular genetics). Language is a very late to evolve, highly idiosyncratic,
species-specific mode of communicating between organisms (humans). It is useful
to confine our discussions to this context so long as we recognize that it is
both highly specialized and based upon many more basic levels of non-linguistic
non-symbolic forms of information production and interpretation. Some of these
are neurological and others are molecular. As a neuroscientist and
evolutionary biologist these levels of analysis are of special interest to
me. But to approach our subject with the recognition of this complexity, we
need to be far more humble about having provided a complete "general
theory of information" and carefully pre-specify the level of system that
we are considering. For example, the concept of memory involves far more than
the influence of RNA or protein effects on neurons and synapses, and the terms
'meaning' and 'semantics' are well-suited for discussing information-related
functions in linguistic terms, but poorly suited for use in neurological and
molecular informational contexts. We can best progress by recognizing these
complexities, acknowledging the limitations of overgeneralization, and
specifying the contexts in which our comments apply. And of course, a bit of humility
in the face of this complexity will provide helpful lubrication.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">— Terry<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at
6:23 AM Francesco Rizzo <<a href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" target="_blank">13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Caro Pedro e Cari
Tutti, <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">è comprensibile che un
parto sia caratterizzato dal travaglio, ma non deve tardare a venire, proprio
mentre i matematici <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">continuano a parlare
con Dio e la <u></u>fis<u></u>ica resta (non si
arresta) quale regina della scienza. Pur essendo consapevole<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"> dell'informazione
dell'economia o della economia dell'informazione, sento il timore di non aver,
neanch'io, titolo per<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"> affrontare-dipanare
la problematica e la problem(e)tica sollevate da questo inizio giovanile e
infuocato della discussione Fis. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Quindi invito, coloro
che sono più esperti di me, a porre la questione del "paradosso
dell'informazione" nell'ambito <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">della letteratura sui
"buchi neri", onde trarne qualche opportuno insegnamento. Infine,
parlare con Dio significa, <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">come a Papa Francesco
ed a me, forse prima, è capitato di fare, evidenziare l'economia del Vangelo o
il Vangelo<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"> dell'economia.
Beninteso, non v'ha nessun riferimento in questo mio scrivere pesante e leggero
o leggero e pesante<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"> alcuna
strumentale o finalistica intenzione di introdurre nel nostro-Vostro dibattito
l'economia della fede o la fede <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">dell'economia,
volgarmente intesa o scambiata come la coscienza-obbedienza religiosa o
religiosa-obbedienza della coscienza.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Grazie e un abbraccio.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Francesco.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Il giorno lun 7 ott 2019
alle ore 13:58 Pedro C. Marijuan <<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>> ha scritto:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Dear Emanuel and
Colleagues,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">You do not need to
apologize, and you do not need to suppose that memory-synaptic themes are
undiscussable in this list either. Conversely, it looks an intriguing matter
that perhaps you can prepare yourself a little bit longer and we can have a
discussion session on it (you are kindly invited to chair it, or to suggest a
chair). I have often insisted in the necessity to maintain a high standard of
scholarly discussion, particularly in this new time of tight cooperation with
IS4SI. We must count to 10, to 100, or better wait to the next day in order to
produce seasoned responses to themes or opinions we strongly disagree. But
those "fast and furious" exchanges may also leave interesting points.
In this case I gather three at least: the qualitative limits of reason, the
quantitative limits of "acting" reason, and the informational
approach to the religious phenomenon. In due time, we can have ad hoc
discussion sessions, chaired ones, on that. Personally I find more productive
the chaired format, although having periods like the present one of spontaneous
free-wheeling is also OK.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">And now to your
substantive request. Looking at the board structure of IS4SI, I think that
candidates to be IS4SI (& FIS) Ambassadors --or delegates or
representatives-- could write to Tadashi Takenochi (in charge of regional
Chapters) or Xueshan Yan (Institutional Membership) and of course to the
current President (Marcin Schroeder) in order to receive the OK and start
organization work. Or for more simplicity, I write here the address of the
IS4SI Secretariat (Annette Grathoff <a href="mailto:annette.grathoff@is4si.org" target="_blank"><annette.grathoff@is4si.org></a>) for those willing more
specific information on IS4SI potentialities (<a href="http://is4si.org/" target="_blank">http://is4si.org/</a>); I can also help. Given the
parties currently in the list, I venture we could have at least half dozen new
Sections or Chapters. Why not to have them before the end of this year?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Best wishes<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">--Pedro<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">El 07/10/2019 a las
8:27, Emanuel Diamant escribió:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Dear FIS Colleagues,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">As usually, I apologize for interfering with the ongoing
discussion on the future chapters arrangement. The subject is important and
great, but (as usual) the discussion quickly degrades to self-promoting
advertisements and old ideas revitalization. This is a dead-ended passageway.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">In the current (Oct 04, 2019) <em><i><font face="Times New Roman">Science</font></i></em> issue, Vol. 366, pp. 83-89, a
paper of the </span></font><font color="#333333"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="EN">UT Southwestern team is published, where the scientists
describe how they have implanted memories into the birds brains to guide the
learning of their songs. The guys do not ask “what is memory?” They even do not
need an answer – they are busy with medical implementations of their findings.
It is self-understood that answering such a question has to be our duty. But
again, we are not ready to keep up with this challenge.</span></font><font color="#333333"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="EN"> </span></font><font color="#333333"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="EN">A similar case happened a year ago –</span></font><font color="#333333"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="EN"> </span></font><font color="#333333"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">In the ENEURO journal,
published on May 14, 2018, an UCLA research group reported a successful memory
transfer from one marine snail to another. I have immediately informed my FIS
colleagues about this achievement, but the news left them indifferent.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">(As usual, not to make my FIS colleagues angry, I had not
mentioned that the UCLA experiment reliably confirms my assumption that
Information (and all its derivatives – thoughts, feelings, memories) are
material entities, that is, are strings of nucleotides comprising the text of
an information message. As such, they can be processed, manipulated, and even
relocated. Memories are not more arrangements of adjustable synapses, as the
brain researchers traditionally view them. Memories are real linguistic descriptions
of observed structures that we retain and recycle in our brains and our
neuronal arrangements. As said, </span></font><font color="#333333"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="EN">I did not</span></font><font color="#333333"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"> mention the above details, and my note passed
unnoticed).<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Never mind, I am usual that from the heights of “Data and
Information” masterpiece (Krassimir and the other FIS bessere Menschen)
problems of memory (information) transposition and rearrangement are irrelevant
and inappropriate. Never mind, I am usual that such subjects are undiscussable
in FIS community.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">So, what happens with the New Chapters proposal? Really,
a good and a timely idea.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Emanuel.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<pre><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">_______________________________________________<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Fis mailing list<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"><a href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">Fis@listas.unizar.es</a><u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"><a href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis" target="_blank">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</a><u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">----------<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">INFORMACIÓN SOBRE PROTECCIÓN DE DATOS DE CARÁCTER PERSONAL<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Ud. recibe este correo por pertenecer a una lista de correo gestionada por la Universidad de Zaragoza.<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Puede encontrar toda la información sobre como tratamos sus datos en el siguiente enlace: <a href="https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas" target="_blank">https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas</a><u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">Recuerde que si está suscrito a una lista voluntaria Ud. puede darse de baja desde la propia aplicación en el momento en que lo desee.<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE"><a href="http://listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">http://listas.unizar.es</a><u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="DE">----------<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre></blockquote>
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