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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:navy'>Dear
Friends and Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>This (rich) note of Annette’s, plus the previous one of Terry,
constitutes practically a new ‘Charter’ for FIS. I will only mention one bit
here. Annette writes:</span></font><font color="#333333" face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Arial;color:#333333'> Entities respectively
matter (fermionic-, mass carrying) assemblies which can be moved (or move by
themselves) as independent, stable units give science a really tough challenge
for definition;</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>In my paper in <i><span style='font-style:italic'>Philosophies</span></i>
with Andrei Igamberdiev earlier this year, we tried to identify what such ‘units’
might be in the case of information/knowledge. What we tentatively concluded,
reframed here for discussion, is that two kinds existed, one primarily
epistemic, the other ontological (or ontic, if you prefer). The latter carry
energy, are not independent and are unstable, that is, change. The former do
not carry energy as such, are independent and are stable. Different logics apply
to the two types, as one might expect.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>I suggest the nature of information cannot be discussed without the
indicated differentiation, and an acknowledgement of the co-existence of epistemic
with ontological entities (in our brains). Our units can be related to the <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>Ding-an-sich </span></i>and other entities that have
been discussed in the past, such as holons.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Joseph <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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Fis [mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">fis</st1:PersonName>-bounces@listas.unizar.es]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>annette.grathoff@is4si.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> dimanche, 13 octobre 2019
23:05<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">fis</st1:PersonName>@listas.unizar.es<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Fis] FIS discussions</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>Dear FIS community,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>always listening to/ reading information study
related considerations outside and inside this forum leads me to realize:<br>
(weak) Consensus on what was formulated as “(…) information is a difference
which makes a difference.” (Gregory Bateson, Ecology of mind, p. 459) and<br>
strong dissent about what <em><i><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'>a difference</span></font></i></em> is and what <em><i><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>making a difference</span></font></i></em> is.<br>
So I would like to inspire a start with what we have here:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><em><i><u><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>Making a difference:</span></font></u></i></em><font
color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE style='font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>
Entities respectively matter (fermionic-, mass carrying) assemblies which can
be moved (or move by themselves) as independent, stable units give science a
really tough challenge for definition; for centuries. Maybe to make some
progress in explaining what <em><i><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'>making a difference</span></font></i></em> is, we need to live with
(axiomic) assumptions about matter as long as e.g. gravitational wave science,
quantum mechanics and condensed matter physics will get the
breakthrough-result.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>Matter obviously can be different and can
react to influences making a difference on it. So the old idea that entities
consist of (matter and matter and their relationship) <sup>dimension, possibly
a fractal one</sup> can be used to describe what <em><i><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>makes a difference</span></font></i></em> to
configurations of nested relationships. Concepts like property; transformation
through absorption & emission; threshold levels; state; reflection or more
generally: scattering of incoming impulses; topology and form depending on
distribution; … are useful inside a broad variety of disciplines handling
information study (being more or less aware) of it: Physics, Chemistry,
Biology, Information Philosophy, Communication Theory,…<br>
I see that we have theories building on this “axiom” in FIS.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>The next huge difficulty (connected to the
unclear status of matter) is to model the influence of <em><i><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>what makes a difference</span></font></i></em> on
relationships which enable matter. Threshold levels are nice, but how can the
quality of relationships be in-formed through the special quality (pattern)
carried and transmitted by <em><i><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'>a difference which makes a difference</span></font></i></em>? Philosophy
helps us in understanding how meaningful communication can develop in
contextual environments and Sociology hints to connections between
meaningfulness and stability respectively cooperation and trust. But this both
is observed in very highly developed systems and provides little help for
understanding more basic dynamics. Regarding those, I bet on wave mechanics to
promote our basic knowledge here (but you know that I got very involved in this
in my project, so bias is not excluded).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><em><i><u><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>A difference</span></font></u></i></em><u><font
color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE style='font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>:</span></font></u><font
color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE style='font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>
Starting with inputs which surmount a threshold level of energy to trigger
internal transformation of matter under dissipation and arriving at
interference patterns in fields which can influence reflection (as in
holography) as well as differential absorption and subsequent internal
transformation, the field of existing research results concerning energy
circulation and pattern transmission is really rich. I personally would not dare
to think about patterns inside electromagnetic fields in context with complex
frequencies in patterns read from brains, since this is very far from my field
as chemical ecologist. But I share the experience that there is a lot of
fascination in working on understanding memory formation and EEG (and similar)
pattern interpretation! I have deep respect for science in that field.
Nevertheless my feeling is that we need to understand the quantitative -and
recently more important- <em><i><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>qualitative</span></font></i></em>
generation of density field differences in radiation-matter interaction from a
basic level. Is differentiation between similar and less-similar possibly
involved in absorption, reflection and transmission of (electromagnetic) waves
by matter? With this we can progress through understanding the (evolutionary
nested) onion to reach the level of information processing on the (now)
ultimate layer of communication and information technologies (connected to
brain dynamics). Fortunately we have started to make a start on any of those
layers already long times ago and created scientific subjects for any of them.
In Communication Theory we made progress in understanding channels, noise and
bandwidth and in Philosophy we made amazing progress understanding the concept
of meaning and contextual environments, already arriving at the point of
recognizing our own epistemic contexts; not to mention all the other
more-exterior lying layers of research on the onion and their results. So what
we have before us is mainly a deepening of knowledge plus communication and
organization of knowledge.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>Let us use our funds, to invest into a
homepage which can attract more specialists in the different fields, which
organizes and presents our Berkeley- (and further) research reports and let us
connect this to the FIS forum to invite active discussion! This generates an
environment where the study of information can flourish.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>Let me know of any organizational work which
the secretariat can do for you under <a href="mailto:Annette.grathoff@is4si.org"
target="_blank">Annette.grathoff@is4si.org</a> (and if you wish to discuss
evolution of information processing systems or any information study related
topics with me, I would be very happy for a mail to this address, too! 😄). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>Annette Grathoff<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>Terrence W. DEACON wrote on 07.10.2019 19:41
(GMT +02:00):<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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cite="mid:CAOJbPRKWKz7x97dPhaiC6d0wnEHfbnx0ozPUd4sVbzndZwKfVg@mail.gmail.com">
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>Dear colleagues, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>I am glad to see that
there is interest in discussing the complex concept of information as it
applies to living phenomena more fundamental than language (e.g. memory and
molecular genetics). Language is a very late to evolve, highly idiosyncratic,
species-specific mode of communicating between organisms (humans). It is useful
to confine our discussions to this context so long as we recognize that it is
both highly specialized and based upon many more basic levels of non-linguistic
non-symbolic forms of information production and interpretation. Some of these
are neurological and others are molecular. As a neuroscientist and
evolutionary biologist these levels of analysis are of special interest to
me. But to approach our subject with the recognition of this complexity, we
need to be far more humble about having provided a complete "general
theory of information" and carefully pre-specify the level of system that
we are considering. For example, the concept of memory involves far more than
the influence of RNA or protein effects on neurons and synapses, and the terms
'meaning' and 'semantics' are well-suited for discussing information-related
functions in linguistic terms, but poorly suited for use in neurological and
molecular informational contexts. We can best progress by recognizing these
complexities, acknowledging the limitations of overgeneralization, and
specifying the contexts in which our comments apply. And of course, a bit of humility
in the face of this complexity will provide helpful lubrication.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>— Terry<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at
6:23 AM Francesco Rizzo <<a href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com"
target="_blank">13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>Caro Pedro e Cari
Tutti, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>è comprensibile che un
parto sia caratterizzato dal travaglio, ma non deve tardare a venire, proprio
mentre i matematici <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>continuano a parlare
con Dio e la <st1:PersonName w:st="on">fis</st1:PersonName>ica resta (non si
arresta) quale regina della scienza. Pur essendo consapevole<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'> dell'informazione
dell'economia o della economia dell'informazione, sento il timore di non aver,
neanch'io, titolo per<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'> affrontare-dipanare
la problematica e la problem(e)tica sollevate da questo inizio giovanile e
infuocato della discussione Fis. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>Quindi invito, coloro
che sono più esperti di me, a porre la questione del "paradosso
dell'informazione" nell'ambito <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>della letteratura sui
"buchi neri", onde trarne qualche opportuno insegnamento. Infine,
parlare con Dio significa, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>come a Papa Francesco
ed a me, forse prima, è capitato di fare, evidenziare l'economia del Vangelo o
il Vangelo<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'> dell'economia.
Beninteso, non v'ha nessun riferimento in questo mio scrivere pesante e leggero
o leggero e pesante<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'> alcuna
strumentale o finalistica intenzione di introdurre nel nostro-Vostro dibattito
l'economia della fede o la fede <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>dell'economia,
volgarmente intesa o scambiata come la coscienza-obbedienza religiosa o
religiosa-obbedienza della coscienza.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>Grazie e un abbraccio.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>Francesco.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>Il giorno lun 7 ott 2019
alle ore 13:58 Pedro C. Marijuan <<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"
target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>> ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>Dear Emanuel and
Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>You do not need to
apologize, and you do not need to suppose that memory-synaptic themes are
undiscussable in this list either. Conversely, it looks an intriguing matter
that perhaps you can prepare yourself a little bit longer and we can have a
discussion session on it (you are kindly invited to chair it, or to suggest a
chair). I have often insisted in the necessity to maintain a high standard of
scholarly discussion, particularly in this new time of tight cooperation with
IS4SI. We must count to 10, to 100, or better wait to the next day in order to
produce seasoned responses to themes or opinions we strongly disagree. But
those "fast and furious" exchanges may also leave interesting points.
In this case I gather three at least: the qualitative limits of reason, the
quantitative limits of "acting" reason, and the informational
approach to the religious phenomenon. In due time, we can have ad hoc
discussion sessions, chaired ones, on that. Personally I find more productive
the chaired format, although having periods like the present one of spontaneous
free-wheeling is also OK.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>And now to your
substantive request. Looking at the board structure of IS4SI, I think that
candidates to be IS4SI (& FIS) Ambassadors --or delegates or
representatives-- could write to Tadashi Takenochi (in charge of regional
Chapters) or Xueshan Yan (Institutional Membership) and of course to the
current President (Marcin Schroeder) in order to receive the OK and start
organization work. Or for more simplicity, I write here the address of the
IS4SI Secretariat (Annette Grathoff <a href="mailto:annette.grathoff@is4si.org"
target="_blank"><annette.grathoff@is4si.org></a>) for those willing more
specific information on IS4SI potentialities (<a href="http://is4si.org/"
target="_blank">http://is4si.org/</a>); I can also help. Given the
parties currently in the list, I venture we could have at least half dozen new
Sections or Chapters. Why not to have them before the end of this year?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>Best wishes<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>--Pedro<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>El 07/10/2019 a las
8:27, Emanuel Diamant escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#333333" face="Times New Roman"><span lang=DE style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'>Dear FIS Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#333333" face="Times New Roman"><span lang=DE style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#333333" face="Times New Roman"><span lang=DE style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'>As usually, I apologize for interfering with the ongoing
discussion on the future chapters arrangement. The subject is important and
great, but (as usual) the discussion quickly degrades to self-promoting
advertisements and old ideas revitalization. This is a dead-ended passageway.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#333333" face="Times New Roman"><span lang=DE style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#333333" face="Times New Roman"><span lang=DE style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'>In the current (Oct 04, 2019) <em><i><font
face="Times New Roman">Science</font></i></em> issue, Vol. 366, pp. 83-89, a
paper of the </span></font><font color="#333333"><span lang=EN
style='color:#333333'>UT Southwestern team is published, where the scientists
describe how they have implanted memories into the birds brains to guide the
learning of their songs. The guys do not ask “what is memory?” They even do not
need an answer – they are busy with medical implementations of their findings.
It is self-understood that answering such a question has to be our duty. But
again, we are not ready to keep up with this challenge.</span></font><font
color="#333333"><span lang=DE style='color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#333333" face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'> </span></font><font color="#333333"><span lang=DE
style='color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#333333" face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'>A similar case happened a year ago –</span></font><font
color="#333333"><span lang=EN style='color:#333333'> </span></font><font
color="#333333"><span lang=DE style='color:#333333'>In the ENEURO journal,
published on May 14, 2018, an UCLA research group reported a successful memory
transfer from one marine snail to another. I have immediately informed my FIS
colleagues about this achievement, but the news left them indifferent.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#333333" face="Times New Roman"><span lang=DE style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#333333" face="Times New Roman"><span lang=DE style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'>(As usual, not to make my FIS colleagues angry, I had not
mentioned that the UCLA experiment reliably confirms my assumption that
Information (and all its derivatives – thoughts, feelings, memories) are
material entities, that is, are strings of nucleotides comprising the text of
an information message. As such, they can be processed, manipulated, and even
relocated. Memories are not more arrangements of adjustable synapses, as the
brain researchers traditionally view them. Memories are real linguistic descriptions
of observed structures that we retain and recycle in our brains and our
neuronal arrangements. As said, </span></font><font color="#333333"><span
lang=EN style='color:#333333'>I did not</span></font><font color="#333333"><span
lang=DE style='color:#333333'> mention the above details, and my note passed
unnoticed).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#333333" face="Times New Roman"><span lang=DE style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#333333" face="Times New Roman"><span lang=DE style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'>Never mind, I am usual that from the heights of “Data and
Information” masterpiece (Krassimir and the other FIS bessere Menschen)
problems of memory (information) transposition and rearrangement are irrelevant
and inappropriate. Never mind, I am usual that such subjects are undiscussable
in FIS community.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#333333" face="Times New Roman"><span lang=DE style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#333333" face="Times New Roman"><span lang=DE style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'>So, what happens with the New Chapters proposal? Really,
a good and a timely idea.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#333333" face="Times New Roman"><span lang=DE style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#333333" face="Times New Roman"><span lang=DE style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#333333" face="Times New Roman"><span lang=DE style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'>Emanuel.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#333333" face="Times New Roman"><span lang=DE style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 color="#333333" face="Courier New"><span lang=DE
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color="#333333" face="Courier New"><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'>Fis mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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color:#333333'><a href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">Fis@listas.unizar.es</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color="#333333" face="Courier New"><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'><a href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis"
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size=2 color="#333333" face="Courier New"><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'>----------<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2
color="#333333" face="Courier New"><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'>INFORMACIÓN SOBRE PROTECCIÓN DE DATOS DE CARÁCTER PERSONAL<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color="#333333" face="Courier New"><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2
color="#333333" face="Courier New"><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'>Ud. recibe este correo por pertenecer a una lista de correo gestionada por la Universidad de Zaragoza.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color="#333333" face="Courier New"><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'>Puede encontrar toda la información sobre como tratamos sus datos en el siguiente enlace: <a
href="https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas"
target="_blank">https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color="#333333" face="Courier New"><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'>Recuerde que si está suscrito a una lista voluntaria Ud. puede darse de baja desde la propia aplicación en el momento en que lo desee.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color="#333333" face="Courier New"><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'><a href="http://listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">http://listas.unizar.es</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color="#333333" face="Courier New"><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'>----------<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<p><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 color="#333333" face="Courier New"><span lang=DE
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color="#333333" face="Courier New"><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'>-------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color="#333333" face="Courier New"><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'>Pedro C. Marijuán<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color="#333333" face="Courier New"><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'>Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color="#333333" face="Courier New"><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2
color="#333333" face="Courier New"><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'><a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color="#333333" face="Courier New"><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'><a href="http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/"
target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color="#333333" face="Courier New"><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Arial><span lang=DE
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333'>Professor Terrence W.
Deacon<br>
University of California, Berkeley<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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