<div dir="ltr">Caro Pedro e Cari Tutti,<div>è comprensibile che un parto sia caratterizzato dal travaglio, ma non deve tardare a venire, proprio mentre i matematici </div><div>continuano a parlare con Dio e la fisica resta (non si arresta) quale regina della scienza. Pur essendo consapevole</div><div> dell'informazione dell'economia o della economia dell'informazione, sento il timore di non aver, neanch'io, titolo per</div><div> affrontare-dipanare la problematica e la problem(e)tica sollevate da questo inizio giovanile e infuocato della discussione Fis. </div><div>Quindi invito, coloro che sono più esperti di me, a porre la questione del "paradosso dell'informazione" nell'ambito </div><div>della letteratura sui "buchi neri", onde trarne qualche opportuno insegnamento. Infine, parlare con Dio significa, </div><div>come a Papa Francesco ed a me, forse prima, è capitato di fare, evidenziare l'economia del Vangelo o il Vangelo</div><div> dell'economia. Beninteso, non v'ha nessun riferimento in questo mio scrivere pesante e leggero o leggero e pesante</div><div> alcuna strumentale o finalistica intenzione di introdurre nel nostro-Vostro dibattito l'economia della fede o la fede </div><div>dell'economia, volgarmente intesa o scambiata come la coscienza-obbedienza religiosa o religiosa-obbedienza della coscienza.</div><div>Grazie e un abbraccio.</div><div>Francesco.</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno lun 7 ott 2019 alle ore 13:58 Pedro C. Marijuan <<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Dear Emanuel and Colleagues,</div>
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<div>You do not need to apologize, and you
do not need to suppose that memory-synaptic themes are
undiscussable in this list either. Conversely, it looks an
intriguing matter that perhaps you can prepare yourself a little
bit longer and we can have a discussion session on it (you are
kindly invited to chair it, or to suggest a chair). I have often
insisted in the necessity to maintain a high standard of scholarly
discussion, particularly in this new time of tight cooperation
with IS4SI. We must count to 10, to 100, or better wait to the
next day in order to produce seasoned responses to themes or
opinions we strongly disagree. But those "fast and furious"
exchanges may also leave interesting points. In this case I gather
three at least: the qualitative limits of reason, the quantitative
limits of "acting" reason, and the informational approach to the
religious phenomenon. In due time, we can have ad hoc discussion
sessions, chaired ones, on that. Personally I find more productive
the chaired format, although having periods like the present one
of spontaneous free-wheeling is also OK.</div>
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<div>And now to your substantive request.
Looking at the board structure of IS4SI, I think that candidates
to be IS4SI (& FIS) Ambassadors --or delegates or
representatives-- could write to Tadashi Takenochi (in charge of
regional Chapters) or Xueshan Yan (Institutional Membership) and
of course to the current President (Marcin Schroeder) in order to
receive the OK and start organization work. Or for more
simplicity, I write here the address of the IS4SI Secretariat
(Annette Grathoff <a href="mailto:annette.grathoff@is4si.org" target="_blank"><annette.grathoff@is4si.org></a>) for those
willing more specific information on IS4SI potentialities
(<a href="http://is4si.org/" target="_blank">http://is4si.org/</a>); I can also help. Given the parties currently
in the list, I venture we could have at least half dozen new
Sections or Chapters. Why not to have them before the end of this
year? <br>
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<div>Best wishes</div>
<div>--Pedro<br>
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<div>El 07/10/2019 a las 8:27, Emanuel
Diamant escribió:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dear FIS Colleagues, <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>As usually, I apologize for
interfering with the ongoing discussion on the future
chapters arrangement. The subject is important and great,
but (as usual) the discussion quickly degrades to
self-promoting advertisements and old ideas revitalization.
This is a dead-ended passageway.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In the current (Oct 04, 2019)
<i>Science</i> issue, Vol. 366, pp. 83-89, a paper of the </span><span lang="EN">UT Southwestern
team is published, where the scientists describe how they
have implanted memories into the birds brains to guide the
learning of their songs. The guys do not ask “what is
memory?” They even do not need an answer – they are busy
with medical implementations of their findings. It is
self-understood that answering such a question has to be our
duty. But again, we are not ready to keep up with this
challenge.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN">A similar case
happened a year ago – </span><span>In the ENEURO journal,
published on May 14, 2018, an UCLA research group reported a
successful memory transfer from one marine snail to another.
I have immediately informed my FIS colleagues about this
achievement, but the news left them indifferent.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>(As usual, not to make my FIS
colleagues angry, I had not mentioned that the UCLA
experiment reliably confirms my assumption that Information
(and all its derivatives – thoughts, feelings, memories) are
material entities, that is, are strings of nucleotides
comprising the text of an information message. As such, they
can be processed, manipulated, and even relocated. Memories
are not more arrangements of adjustable synapses, as the
brain researchers traditionally view them. Memories are real
linguistic descriptions of observed structures that we
retain and recycle in our brains and our neuronal
arrangements. As said, </span><span lang="EN">I did not </span><span>mention the above details,
and my note passed unnoticed).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Never mind, I am usual that
from the heights of “Data and Information” masterpiece
(Krassimir and the other FIS bessere Menschen) problems of
memory (information) transposition and rearrangement are
irrelevant and inappropriate. Never mind, I am usual that
such subjects are undiscussable in FIS community.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>So, what happens with the New
Chapters proposal? Really, a good and a timely idea. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Emanuel.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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