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<DIV><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dear Malcolm,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">"religious, mythical or esoteric kinds of
thoughts" belong to the class of believing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Believing is nice psychological condition but not constructive
and useful.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>For instance, I believe that I am a rich man, but
unfortunately in real I am not!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Because of this I could not take part in very interesting FIS
and IS4IS conferences!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Please, be more realistic!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Friendly greetings</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Krassimir</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=malcolmdean@gmail.com
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 05, 2019 9:47 AM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 61, Issue 6</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_default style="FONT-SIZE: small">The format of this
transmission is mangled, and an attachment did not survive transmission.</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_default style="FONT-SIZE: small">Nevertheless, my attention was
drawn to the following statement:</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_default style="FONT-SIZE: small">"If one excludes religious,
mythical or esoteric kinds of thoughts, there is</DIV>no escaping the fact that
the unknown can only be approached from the<BR>inside of the bubble in which we
live our rational, logical, communicable<BR>
<DIV class=gmail_default style="FONT-SIZE: small">lives."</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_default style="FONT-SIZE: small">Surely the exclusion of
"religious, mythical or esoteric kinds of thoughts" is</DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_default style="FONT-SIZE: small">proof that any such approach
is a biased view of a selected portion of the cosmos.</DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_default style="FONT-SIZE: small">A complete account of
Information must include their origin and function.</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_default style="FONT-SIZE: small">I agree that the idea of
"rational, logical, communicable lives" is a bubble,</DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_default style="FONT-SIZE: small">but it is in danger of being
popped at any moment.</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_default style="FONT-SIZE: small">Malcolm Dean</DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_default style="FONT-SIZE: small">Editor: How Information
Creates Its Observer (Lerner 2019)</DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_default style="FONT-SIZE: small">Member, Higher Cognitive
Affinity Group, BRI<BR>Research Affiliate, Human Complex Systems, UCLA<BR></DIV>
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1<BR>Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 15:03:28 +0200<BR>From: Karl Javorszky <<A
href="mailto:karl.javorszky@gmail.com"
target=_blank>karl.javorszky@gmail.com</A>><BR>To: Joseph Brenner <<A
href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch"
target=_blank>joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</A>><BR>Cc: fis <<A
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"
target=_blank>fis@listas.unizar.es</A>><BR>Subject: [Fis] Contains :
Information<BR>Message-ID:<BR>
<CA+nf4CX++Lj=<A
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text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>1) Et resurrexit<BR><BR>Like an old warrior
horse at a trumpet signal, one will awaken at the<BR>recommence of FIS, now
peacefully merged into IS4SI. Some of the right<BR>honourable learned friends
discuss organisational matters. Let me pick up<BR>on the red thread, now in a
colourful web of threads, namely the subject<BR>matter of this long and
interesting discussion: what is information?<BR><BR><BR><BR>2) Variations on a
theme by Joseph Brenner<BR><BR>The title ?Logic in Reality? is an enviably
well chosen one. Let me offer<BR>some variations on the general
juxtaposition.<BR><BR>*Protagonist*<BR><BR>*Copula*<BR><BR>*Antagonist*<BR><BR>*Remarks*<BR><BR>Logic<BR><BR>in<BR><BR>Reality<BR><BR>Original
Joe<BR><BR>Ideas<BR><BR>against<BR><BR>Experiences<BR><BR><BR><BR>Formal
System<BR><BR>as opposed to<BR><BR>actual measurements<BR><BR>Math vs
Physics<BR><BR>Clearly expressible<BR><BR>among<BR><BR>all
concepts<BR><BR>Wittgenstein<BR><BR>Traditional<BR><BR>as opposed
to<BR><BR>Innovative<BR><BR>FIS, IS4SI, etc<BR><BR>We see a system of thoughts
which agrees to idealisations, simplifications,<BR>schematisations,
unification. This system of relations of concepts is<BR>opposed to, actually
included in, a confusing multitude of experiences,<BR>which is less clear-cut,
more complex, mostly opaque, partly and partially<BR>understood, but lacking a
cohesive explanatory framework. We suspect that<BR>information is in that
range which is presently outside the known,<BR>well-expressible, coherent,
logical idealised mental image which we call<BR>Logic, Ideas, Formal Systems,
which are clearly expressible and belong to<BR>our set of things known.
Outside of this is something built up of actually<BR>existing, real,
observable and generally well-measured surroundings, which<BR>is the presently
incomprehensible part of the world for us.<BR><BR>The working hypothesis is
that we can extend the boundaries of what is<BR>summed up under ?Logic?, which
leaves less in the remainder. If the world<BR>is all that we can understand
and do understand and that which we do not or<BR>can not understand, there is
a room for advancement in the field that we<BR>can understand but do not, as
yet, understand.<BR><BR>3) Epistemology<BR><BR>That, what we understand has
been systematised in a conclusive manner by<BR>Wittgenstein and his
descendants (Boole, von Neumann, Shannon, etc.). The<BR>Master had written
about the grammar of clearly expressed true sentences.<BR>This brought him
immense enmity from his colleagues, co-philosophers.<BR>Adorno summarised the
rejection by pointing out that it is by no means the<BR>job of a philosopher
to spend time with sentences that are well understood,<BR>clearly expressed
and true. Rather, he should work on the barriers,<BR>obstacles and borders
which separate that what we understand from the<BR>interesting; he should try
to make the hardly or only partially understood<BR>become better
comprehensible. Wittgenstein has admitted the truth of the<BR>argument and
ceased to call his most important work a piece of real<BR>philosophy. (Like
Juan Gris, Picasso and Braque admitting that they created<BR>no real
paintings.)<BR><BR>If one excludes religious, mythical or esoteric kinds of
thoughts, there is<BR>no escaping the fact that the unknown can only be
approached from the<BR>inside of the bubble in which we live our rational,
logical, communicable<BR>lives. The tools of our thinking are with us inside
the yellow submarine in<BR>which we conduct lengthy discussions about what is
outside.<BR><BR>We have to stay in the realm of sentences that are descendants
of *a=a.*<BR>The knowledge, that there exists a basic equivalence which allows
us to<BR>conclude that two separate mental contents are in some measures
equivalent,<BR>in the degree of the measure: identical, this instinctive,
inborn archaic<BR>axiom has to remain the basis of all rational thought
systems.<BR><BR>We have, however, found some small print loophole-escape in
the long-long<BR>discourses about the consequences of *a=a.* This may appear
to be pure<BR>chuzpe, cheeky, pesky and impertinent, but we state that we have
never<BR>found in the contract stated that *pos(a) = pos(a). *This is a
hitherto<BR>neglected sub-chapter of the General Song About *a=a* and we
intend to<BR>present an invitation to the right honourable learned friends to
see what<BR>appears naturally if one does a walk along the path of *pos(a) {
=, **? }<BR>pos(a).*<BR><SPAN class=gmail_default
style="FONT-SIZE: small"></SPAN><BR>4) How we approach the unknown<BR><BR>The
tool we use is the next step in the succession kaleidoscope ?
Rubik?s<BR>cube : tautomat. These toys investigate movement
patterns and the results<BR>of movement patterns. The tautomat leaves aside
the random component of the<BR>kaleidoscope and leaves aside the numeric
restrictions of the cube, and can<BR><SPAN class=gmail_default
style="FONT-SIZE: small"></SPAN>be understood to be a succession of *n *urns
in which *n *balls are placed,<BR>where each ball is painted half by 1 of *d
*colours, with the other half<BR>being painted also with 1 of the same *d*
colours. There are many ways to<BR>line up the bi-coloured balls. If one is
undecided, which is the right way<BR>for the balls to be lined up, one turns
the reordering knob and a resorting<BR>takes place which is the spectacle to
watch.<BR><BR>The task is to observe, which successions change in what way
into a<BR>different succession. In order to enjoy the tautomat, the user has
to<BR>unlearn some cultural conventions. The *a *we use in this *pos(a) { =,
**?<BR>} pos(a) *spectacle is not just any *a* as implicitly understood in
the<BR>General Agreement on *a=a. *Here, each of the *a* is, by its
being<BR>bi-coloured, an individual, while being also one of a group of those
which<BR>share one of its colours. In the normal world, it makes no sense
watching<BR>reordering of elements, because all elements have been
traditionally held<BR>as being indistinguishable, of no specific property as
such. The subject of<BR>sequencing of objects is a terrain of cultural
negligence in the field of<BR>formal sciences, while social, political,
economic and biological life runs<BR>almost exclusively on the logic of
preferences and sequencing. Having as *a<BR>*such objects that are
distinguishable, therefore sortable and in their<BR>collective, orderable, as
their birthright, a priori, creates endless<BR>opportunities of watching them
fight for priority and get along with each<BR>other. There are strong hints
from neurology and psychology that mental<BR>processes are an interaction
between position-based and quantity-based<BR>algorithms. The quantitative side
of *a=a *is an old bone chewed clean. The<BR>new approach *pos(a) { =, **? }
pos(a), *together with the idea of using<BR>distinguishable *a *can give an
energic jolt to the concepts among<BR>professionals on basic relations between
matter and place.<BR><BR>5) What we find<BR><BR>The numbers speak for
themselves. The rigid logic of the numbers educates<BR>one on which of his
ideas are reasonable and which are a phantasy.<BR><BR>The patterns of the
kaleidoscope use of the tautomat show two rectangular<BR>spaces to exist
concurrently, transcended by two planes. Of these, one<BR>common space can be
constructed which in our experience of reality actually<BR>exists, although
the numbers foretell many and varied conflicts in this<BR>common space. A
remarkable feature of this common space is an axis that<BR>appears to picture
the phenomenon known as gravity.<BR><BR>There are aspects of the numbers? tale
which show coexistence and regulated<BR>succession which is translatable to
effects in space. The most usable<BR>transformational reorderings picture a
logical statement to consist of<BR>three logical places ? these are in a
strict succession ? and on each of<BR>the three places the possibility of 1 of
4 logical markers which influence<BR>materially the properties of
more-dimensional spaces. This arrangement<BR>appears to agree to the basic
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<DIV><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Editor: </FONT><A
href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Information-Creates-Its-Observer/dp/1536152862/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=vladimir+s.+lerner&link_code=qs&qid=1558730628&s=gateway&sr=8-2"
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<DIV><I>Member</I>, Higher Cognitive Affinity Group, BRI<BR><I>Research
Affiliate</I>, <A href="http://intersci.ss.uci.edu/wiki/index.php/Malcolm_Dean"
target=_blank>Human Complex Systems, UCLA</A>
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it is necessary for you to be abreast of everything; on the one hand, the
unshakable heart of well-rounded truth, and, on the other, the opinions of
mortals, in which there is no true conviction.</I> (Parmenides, Fragment
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