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    <p>(It should have appeared on Friday... again a blocked list??)<br>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Asunto:
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            <td>Re: [Fis] New Perspectives. Reply to Bruno's Reply to
              Stan</td>
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            <td>Fri, 14 Jun 2019 12:06:45 +0200</td>
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            <td>Pedro C. Marijuan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"><pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es></a></td>
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            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</a></td>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear All,</div>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">It is quite nice listening to all
        these exchanges after the "diet" of past months. I have a few
        lateral comments to make:</div>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">1. Natural philosophy is not
        religiously laden but it is quite "modern". It was used along
        the scientific revolution, mostly around Newton's time, to
        separate from scholastic philosophy (Wooton, 2015). Actually it
        becomes the intellectual expression of the fundamental
        revolution that had been taking place around the printing press
        and the accelerated circulation of ideas in the Western World.
        The term science was non-existing at that time and only the
        trivium-quadrivium ancient framework was at hand... so, natural
        philosophy (as Lars-Goran points) was a growing consensus along
        a new view of the world and of knowledge, irrespective that one
        could ad of subtract his/her religious personal background. <br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">2. About religious legacies, we
        cannot complain so much. Priesthood was a way of living, much
        like civil servants today, or "tenure" in the university system.
        By the way, Western universities are a religious legacy
        themselves. They were the transplantation to the urban milieu of
        the highly successful formula of the monastic system. During
        long centuries, after the disintegration of the Roman Empire, it
        was the widespread diffusion of monastic institutions what kept
        afloat the knowledge system in a chaotic world. Technologies
        were tremendously developed there, together with the "mechanical
        arts" (term of monastic origins). It represented the social
        elevation of the previously practical skills reserved to
        servants.</div>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">3. OK, coming back to our exchanges,
        it is very exciting the philosophical discussion per se, but if
        it is not related to the scientific & technological changes
        of today (see comments from Gordana) it will be of scarce help
        in the "daunting task" (Joseph) we have at hand. I will insist,
        notwithstanding the healthy skepticism of my FIS colleagues,
        that we have BIG PIECES of new biomolecular knowledge (a genuine
        bioinfo revolution still taking place) waiting to be translated
        into general conceptualizations of multidisciplinary and
        philosophical fields. And I will keep trying it...<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">By the way, Bruno has made very
        intriguing points that I think dovetail with my comments on laws
        of nature many weeks ago. Often we really speak different
        tongues, and mutual comprehension becomes blurred.  But that's
        part of the intrigue and charm of our unending exchanges. <br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">And this my second cent for this
        week. <br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Best--Pedro<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 14/06/2019 a las 11:06, Loet
        Leydesdorff escribió:<br>
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        <div>Dear Lars-Goran and colleagues, </div>
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            cite="44E9AC2E-4493-45E3-819A-140496628759@filosofi.uu.se"
            type="cite" class="cite2">Since I consider myself as a
            natural philosopher, or in modern terms, philosopher of
            science, I want to protest against the last statement Loet
            made, viz., that natural philosophy is based on ’data’ and
            that data is to be identified what that what is given to us
            from nature.  </blockquote>
          <div id="x2a7a42cbfbf94b7" style="word-wrap: break-word;
            -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">I
            did not say so; but I pointed to the basis of natural
            philosophy in a religion (Christianity, Protestantism) in
            which one assumes that nature is given to us as "data" in a
            Revelation. The data is not given by nature, but in Nature.
            We can read the book of Nature (Galilei).</div>
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          <blockquote
            cite="44E9AC2E-4493-45E3-819A-140496628759@filosofi.uu.se"
            type="cite" class="cite2">The basis from our thinking about
            nature is observation sentences which people agree upon, no
            matter what cultural, scientific or religious beliefs they
            have.  </blockquote>
          <div id="x2a7a42cbfbf94b7" style="word-wrap: break-word;
            -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">This
            seems pre-Popper to me. </div>
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              <div><span
                  style="color:#1B1B1B;background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Times
                  New Roman;font-size:11pt;">The empirical basis of
                  objective science has thus nothing 'absolute'</span></div>
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              <div><span
                  style="color:#1B1B1B;background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Times
                  New Roman;font-size:11pt;">about it.' Science does not
                  rest upon solid bedrock. The bold structure</span></div>
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              <div><span
                  style="color:#1B1B1B;background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Times
                  New Roman;font-size:11pt;">of its theories rises, as
                  it were, above a swamp. It is like a building</span></div>
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              <div><span
                  style="color:#1B1B1B;background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Times
                  New Roman;font-size:11pt;">erected on piles. The piles
                  are driven down from above into the</span></div>
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              <div><span
                  style="color:#1B1B1B;background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Times
                  New Roman;font-size:11pt;">swamp, but not down to any
                  natural or 'given' base; and if we stop</span></div>
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              <div><span
                  style="color:#1B1B1B;background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Times
                  New Roman;font-size:11pt;">driving the piles deeper,
                  it is not because we have reached firm</span></div>
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              <div><span
                  style="color:#1B1B1B;background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Times
                  New Roman;font-size:11pt;">ground. We simply stop when
                  we are satisfied that the piles are firm</span></div>
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              <div><span
                  style="color:#1B1B1B;background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Times
                  New Roman;font-size:11pt;">enough to carry the
                  structure, at least for the time being.</span></div>
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                </span></font></div>
            The Logic of Scientific Discovery, [1935] , 1959, p. 111.<br>
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        <font face="Times New Roman" color="#1b1b1b"><span
            style="font-size: 14.6667px;">Most of us, including myself,
            consider themselves as even more constructivist than Popper
            after having read Kuhn.</span></font>
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            <blockquote
              cite="44E9AC2E-4493-45E3-819A-140496628759@filosofi.uu.se"
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              <div class="">Furthermore I accept the basic tenet of
                Kant’s epistemology, viz., that object in the natural
                world are our constructions; they result from our
                 judgements (in modern terms, agreed observation
                sentences). Many people think that this view leads to an
                unacceptable subjectivism, but it does not, since the
                basis consists of sentences which we jointly assent too.
                So nothing is given to us.</div>
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            <div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
              line-break: after-white-space;">In my opinion, this is a
              religious issue. Some of us may beleive that the world is
              given in a revelation. Thus, the reason "why nothing is
              given to us" may be different between us. </div>
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            <div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
              line-break: after-white-space;">Best,</div>
            <div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
              line-break: after-white-space;">Loet</div>
            <br>
            <blockquote
              cite="44E9AC2E-4493-45E3-819A-140496628759@filosofi.uu.se"
              type="cite" class="cite2">
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                    <div class="">14 juni 2019 kl. 06:56 skrev Loet
                      Leydesdorff <<a
                        href="mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net" class=""
                        moz-do-not-send="true">loet@leydesdorff.net</a>>:</div>
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                        word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                        0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""> Dear
                        colleagues, </div>
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                        16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
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                        text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                        word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                        0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""> We should
                        keep in mind, in my opinion, that "natural
                        philosophy" was embedded in a religious culture.
                        From this perspective, the world is "given" to
                        us in a Revelation by God.</div>
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                      <div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
                        font-family: "Segoe UI"; font-size:
                        16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
                        normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing:
                        normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
                        text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                        word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                        0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""> In the
                        antique world, the sacred was hidden and only
                        accessible via the priests. </div>
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                        0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""> <br
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                      <div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
                        font-family: "Segoe UI"; font-size:
                        16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
                        normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing:
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                        text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                        word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                        0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""> Natural
                        philosophy is based on the conclusion that we
                        can directly access nature as "data", that is,
                        givens. Alternatively, one can consider the
                        world as "facta"'; that is, we have only access
                        to nature via models.</div>
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                        word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
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                                                  <span
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                                                    emeritus, University
                                                    of Amsterdam<br
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                                                    Amsterdam School of
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                        "Bruno Marchal" <<a
                          href="mailto:marchal@ulb.ac.be" class=""
                          moz-do-not-send="true">marchal@ulb.ac.be</a>>;
                        "fis" <<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"
                          class="" moz-do-not-send="true">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>></div>
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                        6/14/2019 6:45:17 AM</div>
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                        [Fis] New Perspectives. Reply to Bruno's Reply
                        to Stan</div>
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                        <blockquote
                          cite="x-msg://53/B3C5A0F9-5816-4A96-8DF8-8641A3C13F59@mdh.se"
                          type="cite" class="cite2" style="margin-left:
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                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">Dear Bruno,<o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">I have a few questions to
                                your answers and would be happy if you
                                can help me to understand.<o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">Here they come, following
                                formulations from your mail.<o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span class=""
                                lang="EN-US"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                  class=""> </o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <b class=""><span
                                  class="" lang="EN-US">“This seems to
                                  assume some primary natural reality,
                                  isn’t it?”<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                    class=""></o:p></span></b></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <b class=""><span
                                  class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p
                                    xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""> </o:p></span></b></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <b class=""><span
                                  style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);"
                                  class="" lang="EN-US">Q: What is meant
                                  by “primary natural reality”?<o:p
                                    xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></b></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                  class=""> </o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">1. If it refers to the<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                                  class="">EXISTENCE</b><span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>OF
                                THE EXTERNAL/INTERNAL NATURAL WORLD, I
                                think this is the most reasonable
                                hypothesis to start with:<o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <b class=""><span
                                  style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);"
                                  class="" lang="EN-US">The world/nature
                                  EXISTS.<span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">It is the fundamental
                                assumption of all sciences which are our
                                best present knowledge about the world.<b
                                  class=""><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                    class=""></o:p></b></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">Otherwise, if the world
                                does not EXIST, we can conclude any
                                discussion about it.<o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                  class=""> </o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">2. The other question is<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                                  class="">HOW</b><span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>that
                                EXISTENCE of the world outside/inside
                                cognitive agents presents itself or
                                unfolds in an agent in the interaction
                                with the world.<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                  class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">That is the question of
                                UMWELT, and the construction of
                                knowledge through information
                                processing. (Natural information
                                processing = natural computation.)<o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">The “primary natural
                                reality” reflects itself in a myriad of
                                local “realities” in cognizing agents.
                                As we know from empirical observations,
                                even though existence of the world
                                induces various information processes in
                                various agents, communities of agents
                                are typically sharing common “languages”
                                about that “primary natural reality”.<o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">That is true for bacterial
                                as well as for human communities.
                                Languages reflect our ability to
                                collectively navigate “primary natural
                                reality” and share common references. So
                                much so that we are able to commonly
                                build a new semantic layer, that is
                                human culture, upon that “primary
                                natural reality”.<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                  class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span class=""
                                lang="EN-US"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                  class=""> </o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <b class=""><span
                                  class="" lang="EN-US">“As I have
                                  shown, this requires a non
                                  computationalist theory of mind, which
                                  seems to me to be highly speculative.”<o:p
                                    xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></b></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <b class=""><span
                                  style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);"
                                  class="" lang="EN-US">Q:</span></b><span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US"><span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                                  class="">Why would that follow from
                                  the EXISTENCE of the world?</b><span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                                  class="">What kind of phenomenon is
                                  that “computation” which minds
                                  perform?<span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Is
                                it the Turing model of discrete
                                sequential symbol manipulation –
                                calculation of mathematical function? It
                                may at best describe linguistic part of
                                the mind. But mind as a natural process
                                is both data-based (even continuous
                                data) and symbol based. Not Turing
                                computable in it entirety, but
                                “naturally computable” i.e. the result
                                of natural information processing
                                performed by living embodied minds.<o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span class=""
                                lang="EN-US"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                  class=""> </o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <b class=""><span
                                  class="" lang="EN-US">“I am not sure
                                  we can avoid the mind-body problem in
                                  a philosophy of information context</span></b><span
                                class="" lang="EN-US">.”<o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <b class=""><span
                                  style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);"
                                  class="" lang="EN-US">Q: Why? Natural
                                  information processes in living
                                  organisms seem to me as the best way
                                  to bridge the mind-body chasm</span></b><span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">. Mind is a result of a
                                complex network of networks of
                                information processes going on in a
                                cognizing agent. That process is
                                implemented in their bodies as a
                                material substrate that is
                                self-organized structure growth from
                                that<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                                  class="">“primary natural reality”</b>.
                                There is no contradiction between the
                                morphology (shape, structure, material)
                                of an organism and its functions
                                (processes performed by that morphology.
                                At least those organisms who have
                                nervous systems capable of representing
                                their bodies and their relationships to
                                their environments can be seen as
                                possessing intrinsic “self-models” or
                                simply having “self” or “mind”. That
                                “mind” is the result of the
                                relationships of its subsystems that
                                constitute that “self”, that process
                                which for an organism makes a
                                distinction between the “self” vs. the
                                world and the relationships between the
                                two.<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">Mind is a process, matter
                                is its substrate on which the process is
                                going on. Those are inseparable in a
                                living organism. In-formation has it
                                roots in the concept of formation (of a
                                material substrate). Matter and form are
                                two aspects of the same reality. It is
                                not a problem, it is a way how we
                                conceptualize the world, in order to
                                manage its complexity.<o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span class=""
                                lang="EN-US"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                  class=""> </o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <b class=""><span
                                  class="" lang="EN-US">“There are no
                                  evidences for physicalism or for a
                                  physical primary reality, nor are
                                  there evidences for a non
                                  computationalist theory of mind.”<o:p
                                    xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></b></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <b class=""><span
                                  style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);"
                                  class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p
                                    xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""> </o:p></span></b></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <b class=""><span
                                  style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);"
                                  class="" lang="EN-US">Q: What is meant
                                  with “physicalism” here?<o:p
                                    xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></b></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">Wikipedia offers two
                                different definitions,<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicalism" style="color: purple;
                                  text-decoration: underline;" class=""
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicalism</a><span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>according
                                to which<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <b class=""><span
                                  style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);"
                                  class="" lang="EN-US">Physicalism</span></b><span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US"> is the </span><span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysical" title="Metaphysical"
                                  style="color: purple; text-decoration:
                                  underline;" class=""
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"><span class=""
                                    lang="EN-US">metaphysical</span></a></span><span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US"> thesis assuming that<o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">a)<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                                  class="">"everything is physical"</b>,
                                that there is "nothing over and above"
                                the physical,</span><sup class=""><span
                                  style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);"
                                  class=""><a
                                    href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicalism#cite_note-1"
                                    style="color: purple;
                                    text-decoration: underline;"
                                    class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      class="" lang="EN-US">[1]</span></a></span></sup><span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US"> or<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                  class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">b) that<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                                  class="">everything </b></span><b
                                class=""><span style="color: rgb(4, 50,
                                  255);" class=""><a
                                    href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supervenience"
                                    title="Supervenience" style="color:
                                    purple; text-decoration: underline;"
                                    class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      class="" lang="EN-US">supervenes</span></a></span></b><b
                                class=""><span style="color: rgb(4, 50,
                                  255);" class="" lang="EN-US"> on the
                                  physical</span></b><span style="color:
                                rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="" lang="EN-US">.</span><sup
                                class=""><span style="color: rgb(4, 50,
                                  255);" class=""><a
                                    href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicalism#cite_note-DStoljar-2"
                                    style="color: purple;
                                    text-decoration: underline;"
                                    class="" moz-do-not-send="true">[2]</a></span></sup><span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""> <o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""><o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""> </o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">Those are two very
                                different proposals. The first one is
                                obviously false, as it negates all the
                                emergent levels of organization of the
                                world above physics.<o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">The second one depends on
                                what is meant by “<b class="">supervenience”</b>.
                                If it means that<b class=""><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>higher
                                levels of organization of matter-energy
                                emerge from the lower ones bringing
                                completely new properties, it is in
                                perfect agreement with what sciences
                                today say about the world and how they
                                model the world.*<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                  class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">Molecules are made of atoms
                                but bring completely new possibilities
                                of structures, processes and
                                interactions. Biology is more than
                                chemistry for the same reason.<o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                  class=""> </o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <b class=""><span
                                  style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);"
                                  class="" lang="EN-US">Q: What would be
                                  “a physical primary reality”?<o:p
                                    xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></b></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">Am I wrong if I imagine
                                that I cannot go out of this room
                                through its walls? Does not that mean
                                that there is “a physical primary
                                reality” that stops me from doing so, no
                                matter how much I wish and try?<o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span class=""
                                lang="EN-US"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                  class=""> </o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <b class=""><span
                                  class="" lang="EN-US">“Of course some
                                  people confuse the evidences for
                                  physical laws with evidences that such
                                  laws are primary, but that is just
                                  because they “believe” in some natural
                                  world to begin with.”<o:p
                                    xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></b></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <b class=""><span
                                  style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);"
                                  class="" lang="EN-US">Q: What is
                                  primary?</span></b><b class=""><span
                                  class="" lang="EN-US"><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">Indeed, physical laws are
                                not<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                                  class="">primary</b>, in the sense of
                                eternal and unchangeable, as they evolve
                                with the universe*. Primary is the<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                                  class="">EXISTENCE</b><span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of
                                the world that we all share and
                                experience. It presents itself in both
                                fluid, intrinsic ways (subjective
                                feelings and emotions) and crisp, well
                                defined inter-subjective forms (as in
                                sciences, logics, mathematics).</span><b
                                class=""><span class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p
                                    xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></b></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span class=""
                                lang="EN-US"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                  class=""> </o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <b class=""><span
                                  class="" lang="EN-US">“We can’t have
                                  both Mechanism in cognitive science,
                                  and materialism, or just physicalism,
                                  in the “natural science”. That has
                                  been shown logically inconsistent.”<o:p
                                    xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></b></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">It depends on the choice of
                                “mechanism”, “cognitive science”
                                (classical-computationalist disembodied
                                or contemporary EEEE models of
                                cognition), along with the kind of
                                “physicalism” assumed, and even the
                                choice of “natural sciences” to support
                                your thesis. In the paper below (*) I
                                argue, for a given choice of all those
                                terms and with heavy reliance on the
                                contemporary scientific knowledge, that
                                computational mind is not only
                                (naturally) compatible but essentially
                                dependent on its physical substrate on
                                succession of levels of organization.<o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <b class=""><span
                                  style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);"
                                  class="" lang="EN-US">Q: If we have
                                  such model<span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">in which “mechanisms” of
                                information processing (natural
                                computation in the framework of
                                computing nature) from the lowest levels
                                of exchanges between elementary
                                particles to the highest levels of
                                exchanges among people of symbolic
                                structures and artifacts, wouldn’t that
                                constitute a counter-example to the
                                claim that mind and body have nothing to
                                do with each other ? (**)<o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span class=""
                                lang="EN-US"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                  class=""> </o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">All the best,<o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">Gordana<o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                  class=""> </o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                  class=""> </o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">*<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="http://www.gordana.se/work/PUBLICATIONS-files/2019-Laws%20of%20Science%20as%20Laws%20of%20Nature.pdf"
                                  style="color: purple; text-decoration:
                                  underline;" class=""
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                    style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);"
                                    class="">http://www.gordana.se/work/PUBLICATIONS-files/2019-Laws%20of%20Science%20as%20Laws%20of%20Nature.pdf</span></a><o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                  class=""> </o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">** No model or framework
                                can explain everything about the world
                                (including humans) at the same time, but
                                info-computational approach can be used
                                to model some interesting aspects of the
                                mind emergent from, in interaction with
                                its matter/energy substrate.<o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <span class=""
                                lang="EN-US"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                  class=""> </o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="border-style: solid none none;
                              border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color:
                              rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"
                              class="">
                              <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                                font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                                sans-serif;" class=""> <b class=""><span
                                    style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
                                  style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Fis
                                  <<a
                                    href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es"
                                    style="color: purple;
                                    text-decoration: underline;"
                                    class="" moz-do-not-send="true">fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</a>>
                                  on behalf of Bruno Marchal <<a
                                    href="mailto:marchal@ulb.ac.be"
                                    style="color: purple;
                                    text-decoration: underline;"
                                    class="" moz-do-not-send="true">marchal@ulb.ac.be</a>><br
                                    class="">
                                  <b class="">Date:<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Thursday,
                                  13 June 2019 at 15:11<br class="">
                                  <b class="">To:<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>fis
                                  <<a
                                    href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"
                                    style="color: purple;
                                    text-decoration: underline;"
                                    class="" moz-do-not-send="true">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>><br
                                    class="">
                                  <b class="">Subject:<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re:
                                  [Fis] New Perspectives. Reply to Stan<o:p
                                    xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            </div>
                            <div class="">
                              <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                                font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                                sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""> </o:p></div>
                            </div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> Joseph,<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div class="">
                              <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                                font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                                sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""> </o:p></div>
                            </div>
                            <div class="">
                              <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                                font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                                sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""> </o:p></div>
                              <div class="">
                                <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
                                  margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="">
                                  <div class="">
                                    <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                                      0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                                      font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                      class=""> On 12 Jun 2019, at
                                      16:40, Joseph Brenner <<a
                                        href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch"
                                        style="color: purple;
                                        text-decoration: underline;"
                                        class="" moz-do-not-send="true">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>>
                                      wrote:<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                        class=""></o:p></div>
                                  </div>
                                  <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                                    font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                                    Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                                      xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""> </o:p></div>
                                  <div class="">
                                    <div class="">
                                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                                        0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                                        font-family: Calibri,
                                        sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                          style="font-size: 10pt;
                                          font-family: "Lucida Sans
                                          Unicode", serif; color:
                                          navy;" class="" lang="EN-GB">Stan,</span><span
                                          style="font-size: 12pt;
                                          font-family: "Times New
                                          Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p
                                            xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">
                                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                                        0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                                        font-family: Calibri,
                                        sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                          style="font-size: 10pt;
                                          font-family: "Lucida Sans
                                          Unicode", serif; color:
                                          navy;" class="" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                                          style="font-size: 12pt;
                                          font-family: "Times New
                                          Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p
                                            xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">
                                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                                        0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                                        font-family: Calibri,
                                        sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                          style="font-size: 10pt;
                                          font-family: "Lucida Sans
                                          Unicode", serif; color:
                                          navy;" class="" lang="EN-GB">Thank
                                          you for your question. I reply
                                          with a modified excerpt from
                                          an article in<span
                                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
                                            class="">Philosophies.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>The full article is Open
                                          Access. I am indebted to
                                          Rafael Capurro for part of
                                          this formulation. Comments
                                          welcome.</span><span
                                          style="font-size: 12pt;
                                          font-family: "Times New
                                          Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p
                                            xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">
                                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                                        0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                                        font-family: Calibri,
                                        sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                          style="font-size: 10pt;
                                          font-family: "Lucida Sans
                                          Unicode", serif; color:
                                          navy;" class="" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                                          style="font-size: 12pt;
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                                        lang="EN-GB">Natural Philosophy:
                                        Excerpt from Brenner, J. 2018.
                                        The Naturalization of Natural
                                        Philosophy.<span
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                                            class=""> </i></span><i
                                          class="">Philosophies<span
                                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                                            class="">2018<span
                                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b></i>3,
                                        41.</span><span
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                                        style="font-size: 12pt;
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                                        lang="EN-GB">Natural Philosophy
                                        deals with the question of
                                        nature as a whole stated by
                                        beings (ourselves) that find
                                        themselves in nature without
                                        having the possibility of a
                                        holistic view, being ourselves
                                        in nature and not beyond it. The
                                        fact that we are able to ask
                                        this question means that we have
                                        some kind of pre-knowledge about
                                        nature as a whole while at the
                                        same time this pre-knowledge is
                                        problematic, otherwise we would
                                        not ask the question and would
                                        not be able to become natural
                                        philosophers.</span><span
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                                        style="font-size: 12pt;
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                                        lang="EN-GB">The question then
                                        changes to the difference
                                        between nature and reality as a
                                        whole, including fictions,
                                        non-verifiable beliefs and
                                        intangible objects of thought.
                                        Since the idea that classical
                                        Natural Philosophy evolved into 
                                        science  seems  correct,  we 
                                        are  left,  for  the  domain 
                                        of  Natural  Philosophy, with
                                        only a speculative
                                        interpretation of nature viewed
                                        in its entirety. This
                                        interpretation is,<span
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                                          class="">ipso facto</i>, at a
                                        lower ontological level than the
                                        science which has largely
                                        replaced it. Much of the 20th
                                        Century linguistic turn,
                                        expressed in both analytical and
                                        phenomenological and residual
                                        transcendental traditions, is
                                        well visible in contemporary
                                        philosophy.</span><span
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                                        lang="EN-GB">The reaction to
                                        this unsatisfactory state of
                                        affairs has been the
                                        reinstatement of realisms and
                                        materialisms of various kinds,
                                        associated today with the names
                                        of Derrida, Badiou, Zizek, and
                                        others. The ‘ontological turn’
                                        in philosophy is a term of art
                                        that designates dissatisfaction
                                        with descriptions of reality
                                        based on analytical, semantic
                                        criteria of truth. Starting with
                                        Heidegger’s critique of
                                        hermeneutics and the basing of
                                        philosophy on human life, the
                                        ontological turn is a challenge
                                        to neo-Kantian epistemologies,
                                        and looks to what the structure
                                        of the world might be like to
                                        enable scientific, that is,
                                        non-absolute knowledge.
                                        Unfortunately, ontological
                                        theories have been hobbled by
                                        the retention of static terms
                                        whose characteristics are
                                        determined by bivalent logic. In
                                        2002, Priest suggested that such
                                        an ontological turn in
                                        philosophy was taking place,
                                        away from language in the
                                        direction of an contradictorial
                                        view of reality. Priest proposed
                                        paraconsistent logic as
                                        appropriate to this turn, but
                                        his system suffers from the
                                        epistemological limitations of
                                        paraconsistency. Lupasco, on the
                                        other hand, anticipated the
                                        ontological turn by some 60
                                        years. (In the complete article,
                                        I show that his logical system
                                        can be used to differentiate
                                        between Natural Philosophy and
                                        Philosophy<span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
                                          class="">tout court.</i>)</span><span
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                                        lang="EN-GB">The most important
                                        point for me is that Natural
                                        Philosophy tells us something
                                        real about the world that is
                                        consistent with our best
                                        science, physical, biological
                                        and cognitive. Speculative
                                        philosophy can always
                                        re-illuminate ‘eternal’
                                        questions such as what it means
                                        to be a thinking being in a
                                        non-thinking environment. This
                                        non-Natural Philosophy, to
                                        repeat, exists for ‘natural’
                                        reasons: it is a natural
                                        necessity for human beings to
                                        create it, by a natural process,
                                        but it is not part of nature<span
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                                          class="">qua</i><span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span>content.<span
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                                    seems to assume some primary natural
                                    reality, isn’t it?<o:p
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                                    have shown, this requires a non
                                    computationalist theory of mind,
                                    which seems to me to be highly
                                    speculative.<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                      class=""></o:p></div>
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                                    not sure we can avoid the mind-body
                                    problem in a philosophy of
                                    information context. <o:p
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                                    There are no evidences for
                                    physicalism or for a physical
                                    primary reality, nor are there
                                    evidences for a non computationalist
                                    theory of mind. Of course some
                                    people confuse the evidences for
                                    physical laws with evidences that
                                    such laws are primary, but that is
                                    just because they “believes” in some
                                    natural world to begin with. I think
                                    it is better to be agnostic and see
                                    where the facts (experimental) and
                                    working theories lead us.<o:p
                                      xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></div>
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                                    can’t have both Mechanism in
                                    cognitive science, and materialism,
                                    or just physicalism, in the “natural
                                    science”. That has been shown
                                    logically inconsistent (ask for
                                    reference if interested).<o:p
                                      xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></div>
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                                            class="">Joseph -- Would you
                                            like to write how you define
                                            Natural Philosophy?<o:p
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                                              class="">On Tue, Jun 11,
                                              2019 at 12:03 PM<span
                                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Joseph
                                              Brenner<span
                                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span><<a
href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" style="color: purple;
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                                              wrote:<o:p
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                                                class="" lang="EN-US">Dear
                                                Pedro and All,</span><span
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                                                class="" lang="EN-US">Many
                                                thanks are due to you,
                                                Pedro, for this new and
                                                valuable formulation of
                                                the – daunting - task at
                                                hand. The task is
                                                logical and
                                                philosophical, as well
                                                as scientific.
                                                Philosophy here,
                                                exemplified by the
                                                Philosophy of
                                                Information, does not
                                                mean standard
                                                discussions of ‘where
                                                did we come from’ and
                                                ‘does a transcendent
                                                deity exist’, which are
                                                as sterile in their way
                                                as the excesses of the
                                                IT and AI ideologists.
                                                Natural Philosophy can
                                                be a ‘vehicle’ for
                                                interaction between
                                                people of good will, the
                                                collaboration that you
                                                point to that may help
                                                to advance IS4SI. Some
                                                of you who may not have
                                                been at the Conference
                                                in San Francisco
                                                (Berkeley) may wish to
                                                look at abstracts of
                                                papers from the
                                                Philosophy of
                                                Information
                                                sub-conferences at the
                                                2015, 2017 and 2019
                                                Summit conferences on
                                                Information.</span><span
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                                                class=""><o:p
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                                                class="" lang="EN-US">To
                                                revitalize the list is
                                                indeed a key first step.
                                                But it starts, in my
                                                opinion, with some
                                                self-examination,
                                                examination of whether
                                                one’s own theories are
                                                just ‘pet’ theories.
                                                Applying this criterion
                                                to my own Logic in
                                                Reality, about which I
                                                have written on several
                                                occasions, I claim that
                                                it is not just a pet
                                                theory. It is a new
                                                perspective on how
                                                information, logic and
                                                thought operate as real
                                                processes, following
                                                laws within the laws of
                                                physics, without loss of
                                                a human, ethical
                                                dimension. However, LIR
                                                makes many demands on
                                                one. It requires an
                                                understanding and
                                                acceptance of what is /<i
                                                  class="">not</i>/
                                                Natural Philosophy,
                                                which may include some
                                                of the ideas that have
                                                appeared in this list.
                                                  </span><span
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                                                class="" lang="EN-US">Again,
                                                accepting my own
                                                criterion of interactive
                                                non-separability, I do
                                                not call for any
                                                exclusions or
                                                limitations on the list.
                                                I only wish that
                                                everyone makes the
                                                necessary effort to
                                                position his or her own
                                                views in relation to the
                                                overriding need for
                                                furthering the Common
                                                Good. The sum of all
                                                such honest
                                                self-referential (or
                                                second-order recursive)
                                                opinions of people about
                                                their own work would
                                                itself be a useful
                                                creative effort, I
                                                think.</span><span
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                                                class="" lang="EN-US">Thank
                                                you and best wishes,</span><span
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                                                class="" lang="EN-US">Joseph<span
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                                                Message-----<br class="">
                                                From: Fis [mailto:<a
                                                  href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es"
                                                  style="color: purple;
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                                                On Behalf Of Pedro C.
                                                Marijuan<br class="">
                                                Sent: mardi, 11 juin
                                                2019 13:05<br class="">
                                                To: 'fis'<br class="">
                                                Subject: [Fis] New
                                                Perspectives</span><span
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                                                lang="EN-US">Dear FIS
                                                Colleagues,</span><span
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                                                lang="EN-US">A few days
                                                ago took place the IS4SI
                                                Meeting, in SFco, with
                                                one of the<span
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                                                sessions devoted to FIS
                                                and other sessions also
                                                with presence<span
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                                            <p
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                                                lang="EN-US">of veteran
                                                parties of this list.
                                                Relevant speakers in the
                                                plenary<span
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                                            <p
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                                                lang="EN-US">sessions
                                                covered the main topic
                                                of the conference,
                                                expressed as: Where<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:
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                                            <p
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                                                lang="EN-US">is the I in
                                                Artificial Intelligence
                                                and the Meaning in
                                                Information? From<span
                                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
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                                            <p
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                                                lang="EN-US">Tristan
                                                Harris to Melanie
                                                Mitchell, to Paul
                                                Verschure, etc.</span><span
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                                            <p
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                                                lang="EN-US"> </span><span
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                                                class=""><o:p
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                                            <p
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                                                lang="EN-US">In my view
                                                the perspectives in
                                                these IT fields are
                                                changing<span
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                                            <p
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                                                lang="EN-US">significantly.
                                                The tremendous hype in
                                                AI, Deep Learning, IOT,
                                                etc. keeps<span
                                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
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                                            <p
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                                                lang="EN-US">unabated,
                                                but critical voices are
                                                being heard, not just
                                                from a few<span
                                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
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                                            <p
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                                                lang="EN-US">Academia
                                                corners as usual, but
                                                now by leading
                                                technologists and<span
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                                            <p
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                                                lang="EN-US">researchers
                                                of big companies in
                                                these very fields.
                                                "Dissent" on the<span
                                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
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                                            <p
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                                                lang="EN-US">contents,
                                                methodologies, and
                                                consequences of social
                                                applications is growing.</span><span
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                                                class=""><o:p
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                                            <p
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                                                lang="EN-US"> </span><span
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                                                class=""><o:p
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                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                                lang="EN-US">The
                                                industrial development
                                                of this IT sector
                                                --notwithstanding the<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:
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                                            <p
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                                                lang="EN-US">inflated
                                                proclamations and all
                                                the hype of the gurus--
                                                does not mean the<span
                                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
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                                            <p
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                                                lang="EN-US">arrival of
                                                some great singularity,
                                                or the symbiosis with
                                                machines, or<span
                                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
                                                style="font-size: 12pt;
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                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                                lang="EN-US">widespread
                                                menace of robots &
                                                cyborgs... these are
                                                slogans coming from<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:
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                                            <p
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                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                                lang="EN-US">the
                                                industrialists to
                                                maintain
                                                social/ideological
                                                preeminence for their<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:
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                                            <p
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                                                lang="EN-US">whole
                                                sector. Rather I think
                                                they are starting to
                                                feel the consequences<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:
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                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
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                                                lang="EN-US">of their
                                                social overstretching in
                                                different ways.</span><span
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                                                class=""><o:p
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                                            <p
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                                                class=""><o:p
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                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
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                                                lang="EN-US">The
                                                fundamental point, in my
                                                opinion, is that our
                                                solitary, isolated<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:
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                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
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                                                lang="EN-US">efforts
                                                from a few Academia
                                                places (Sciences &
                                                Humanities) in the quest<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:
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                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
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                                                lang="EN-US">for new
                                                perspectives in
                                                Information Science, and
                                                not just AI<span
                                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
                                                style="font-size: 12pt;
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                                                class=""><o:p
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                                            <p
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                                                "Courier
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                                                lang="EN-US">development,
                                                should not isolated any
                                                more. We can now
                                                establish an<span
                                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
                                                style="font-size: 12pt;
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                                                class=""><o:p
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                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                              sans-serif;"> <span
                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
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                                                "Courier
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                                                lang="EN-US">interesting
                                                dialog and partnership
                                                with those new
                                                "dissenters" of the<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:
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                                                Roman", serif;"
                                                class=""><o:p
                                                  xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                                  class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                              font-size: 11pt;
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                                              sans-serif;"> <span
                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
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                                                "Courier
                                                New";" class=""
                                                lang="EN-US">technology
                                                in its concepts,
                                                methods, and social
                                                applications. It is upon<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:
                                                12pt; font-family:
                                                "Times New
                                                Roman", serif;"
                                                class=""><o:p
                                                  xmlns:o="#unknown"
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                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                              font-size: 11pt;
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                                              sans-serif;"> <span
                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
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                                                "Courier
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                                                lang="EN-US">us to
                                                improve the discussion
                                                procedures, the
                                                collaborations, the<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:
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                                                class=""><o:p
                                                  xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                                  class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                              font-size: 11pt;
                                              font-family: Calibri,
                                              sans-serif;"> <span
                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
                                                font-family:
                                                "Courier
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                                                lang="EN-US">organization,
                                                etc. so that this
                                                opportunity might
                                                materialize<span
                                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
                                                style="font-size: 12pt;
                                                font-family: "Times
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                                                class=""><o:p
                                                  xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                                  class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                              font-size: 11pt;
                                              font-family: Calibri,
                                              sans-serif;"> <span
                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
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                                                "Courier
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                                                lang="EN-US">progressively.
                                                Do not ask me how... In
                                                any case I pointed out
                                                three<span
                                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
                                                style="font-size: 12pt;
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                                                class=""><o:p
                                                  xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                                  class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
                                              margin-left: 0cm;
                                              font-size: 11pt;
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                                              sans-serif;"> <span
                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
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                                                "Courier
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                                                lang="EN-US">future
                                                directions for IS4SI
                                                advancement: community
                                                building, attracting<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:
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                                                "Times New
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                                                class=""><o:p
                                                  xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                                  class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
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                                                lang="EN-US">scientific/technological
                                                avantgarde, and
                                                organizational
                                                improvement.</span><span
                                                style="font-size: 12pt;
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                                                class=""><o:p
                                                  xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                                  class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                              sans-serif;"> <span
                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
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                                                lang="EN-US"> </span><span
                                                style="font-size: 12pt;
                                                font-family: "Times
                                                New Roman", serif;"
                                                class=""><o:p
                                                  xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                                  class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                              sans-serif;"> <span
                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
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                                                lang="EN-US">Revitalizing
                                                this discussion
                                                list--shouldn't it be
                                                one of the first steps?</span><span
                                                style="font-size: 12pt;
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                                                class=""><o:p
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                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                              sans-serif;"> <span
                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
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                                                lang="EN-US"> </span><span
                                                style="font-size: 12pt;
                                                font-family: "Times
                                                New Roman", serif;"
                                                class=""><o:p
                                                  xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                                  class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
                                              margin-left: 0cm;
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                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
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                                                lang="EN-US">Best
                                                greetings to all,</span><span
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                                                class=""><o:p
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                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                              sans-serif;"> <span
                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
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                                                lang="EN-US"> </span><span
                                                style="font-size: 12pt;
                                                font-family: "Times
                                                New Roman", serif;"
                                                class=""><o:p
                                                  xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                                  class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
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                                                lang="EN-US">--Pedro</span><span
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                                                class=""><o:p
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                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
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                                                lang="EN-US"> </span><span
                                                style="font-size: 12pt;
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                                                class=""><o:p
                                                  xmlns:o="#unknown"
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                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
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                                                lang="EN-US">-------------------------------------------------</span><span
                                                style="font-size: 12pt;
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                                                class=""><o:p
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                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
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                                                lang="EN-US">Pedro C.
                                                Marijuán</span><span
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                                                class=""><o:p
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                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                                lang="EN-US">Grupo de
                                                Bioinformación /
                                                Bioinformation Group</span><span
                                                style="font-size: 12pt;
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                                                class=""><o:p
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                                            <p
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                                                lang="EN-US"> </span><span
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                                                class=""><o:p
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                                                lang="EN-US"><a
                                                  href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"
                                                  style="color: purple;
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                                                lang="EN-US"><a
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                                                lang="EN-US">---</span><span
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                                                lang="EN-US">El software
                                                de antivirus Avast ha
                                                analizado este correo
                                                electrónico en busca de
                                                virus.</span><span
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                                                lang="EN-US"><a
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                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                              font-size: 11pt;
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                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
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                                                lang="EN-US">_______________________________________________</span><span
                                                style="font-size: 12pt;
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                                                class=""><o:p
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                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext"
                                              style="margin-right: 0cm;
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                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
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                                                lang="EN-US">Fis mailing
                                                list</span><span
                                                style="font-size: 12pt;
                                                font-family: "Times
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                                                class=""><o:p
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                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
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                                                "Courier
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                                                lang="EN-US"><a
                                                  href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es"
                                                  style="color: purple;
                                                  text-decoration:
                                                  underline;" class=""
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">Fis@listas.unizar.es</a></span><span
                                                style="font-size: 12pt;
                                                font-family: "Times
                                                New Roman", serif;"
                                                class=""><o:p
                                                  xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                                  class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                                style="font-size: 10pt;
                                                font-family:
                                                "Courier
                                                New";" class=""
                                                lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flistas.unizar.es%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ffis&data=02%7C01%7Cgordana.dodig-crnkovic%40mdh.se%7Ce3cf40966de148aaf4b108d6f0009e4b%7Ca1795b64dabd4758b988b309292316cf%7C0%7C0%7C636960282786244082&sdata=%2BSp0SCZdqFLqq%2FPes13pr84YSlKm03qEikuJ5vzJ2CQ%3D&reserved=0"
                                                  style="color: purple;
                                                  text-decoration:
                                                  underline;" class=""
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</a></span><span
                                                style="font-size: 12pt;
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                                                  style="font-size:
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                                                        0cm 0cm
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                                                        Calibri,
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style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a
href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avast.com%2Fsig-email%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dlink%26utm_campaign%3Dsig-email%26utm_content%3Demailclient&data=02%7C01%7Cgordana.dodig-crnkovic%40mdh.se%7Ce3cf40966de148aaf4b108d6f0009e4b%7Ca1795b64dabd4758b988b309292316cf%7C0%7C0%7C636960282786244082&sdata=E3huy%2FK%2BF2q8BQYe%2FpMNb5mXlwom5sE3WuctW2DVN2M%3D&reserved=0"
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style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman",
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                                                          style="font-size:
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                                                          class="">Garanti
                                                          sans virus.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avast.com%2Fsig-email%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dlink%26utm_campaign%3Dsig-email%26utm_content%3Demailclient&data=02%7C01%7Cgordana.dodig-crnkovic%40mdh.se%7Ce3cf40966de148aaf4b108d6f0009e4b%7Ca1795b64dabd4758b988b309292316cf%7C0%7C0%7C636960282786254081&sdata=TeOIk53ReL3Aw0mMz3wLptFb2cmnkwV7enRUKCWARyo%3D&reserved=0"
                                                          style="color:
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                                                          class=""
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(68, 83,
                                                          234);"
                                                          class="">www.avast.com</span></a></span><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman",
                                                          serif;"
                                                          class=""><o:p
xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                        <div class="">
                                          <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                                            0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                                            font-family: Calibri,
                                            sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                              style="font-size: 12pt;
                                              font-family: "Times
                                              New Roman", serif;"
                                              class="">_______________________________________________<br
                                                class="">
                                              Fis mailing list<br
                                                class="">
                                              <a
                                                href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es"
                                                style="color: purple;
                                                text-decoration:
                                                underline;" class=""
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">Fis@listas.unizar.es</a><br
                                                class="">
                                              <a
href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flistas.unizar.es%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ffis&data=02%7C01%7Cgordana.dodig-crnkovic%40mdh.se%7Ce3cf40966de148aaf4b108d6f0009e4b%7Ca1795b64dabd4758b988b309292316cf%7C0%7C0%7C636960282786254081&sdata=NgDErO3w5%2B7%2FDm3G3dobqSaXFjrR6EAlvN32HliQgpM%3D&reserved=0"
                                                style="color: purple;
                                                text-decoration:
                                                underline;" class=""
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</a><o:p
                                                xmlns:o="#unknown"
                                                class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                      0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                                      font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                                      class="">
_______________________________________________<br class="">
                                      Fis mailing list<br class="">
                                      <a
                                        href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es"
                                        style="color: purple;
                                        text-decoration: underline;"
                                        class="" moz-do-not-send="true">Fis@listas.unizar.es</a><br
                                        class="">
                                      <a
href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flistas.unizar.es%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ffis&data=02%7C01%7Cgordana.dodig-crnkovic%40mdh.se%7Ce3cf40966de148aaf4b108d6f0009e4b%7Ca1795b64dabd4758b988b309292316cf%7C0%7C0%7C636960282786264068&sdata=%2F3c%2BLJrQ9VLXSWXyuWjGNwdxCc2QSslqv%2BIyz%2F1ooX8%3D&reserved=0"
                                        style="color: purple;
                                        text-decoration: underline;"
                                        class="" moz-do-not-send="true">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</a><o:p
                                        xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                              </div>
                              <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
                                font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                                sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                                  xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""> </o:p></div>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </blockquote>
                      </div>
                      <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
                        font-family: "Segoe UI"; font-size:
                        16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
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                        text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                        word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                        0px; text-decoration: none; float: none;
                        display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br
                        style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                        "Segoe UI"; font-size: 16px;
                        font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
                        font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
                        text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
                        text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                        word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                        0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                      <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
                        font-family: "Segoe UI"; font-size:
                        16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
                        normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing:
                        normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
                        text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                        word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                        0px; text-decoration: none; float: none;
                        display: inline !important;" class="">Fis
                        mailing list</span><br style="caret-color:
                        rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Segoe UI";
                        font-size: 16px; font-style: normal;
                        font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                        letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                        text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
                        white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                        -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration:
                        none;" class="">
                      <a href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es"
                        style="font-family: "Segoe UI";
                        font-size: 16px; font-style: normal;
                        font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                        letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto;
                        text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
                        text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                        widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;
                        -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
                        -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""
                        moz-do-not-send="true">Fis@listas.unizar.es</a><br
                        style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                        "Segoe UI"; font-size: 16px;
                        font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
                        font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
                        text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
                        text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                        word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                        0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                      <a
                        href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis"
                        style="font-family: "Segoe UI";
                        font-size: 16px; font-style: normal;
                        font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                        letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto;
                        text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
                        text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                        widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;
                        -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
                        -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""
                        moz-do-not-send="true">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</a></div>
                  </blockquote>
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                <br class="">
                <div class="">Lars-Göran Johansson<br class="">
                  Professor i teoretisk filosofi, emeritus<br class="">
                  Uppsala Universitet<br class="">
                  <br class="">
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              När du har kontakt med oss på Uppsala universitet med
              e-post så innebär det att vi behandlar dina
              personuppgifter. För att läsa mer om hur vi gör det kan du
              läsa här: <a
                href="http://www.uu.se/om-uu/dataskydd-personuppgifter/"
                moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.uu.se/om-uu/dataskydd-personuppgifter/</a>
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              E-mailing Uppsala University means that we will process
              your personal data. For more information on how this is
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        <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">_______________________________________________
Fis mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es" moz-do-not-send="true">Fis@listas.unizar.es</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis" moz-do-not-send="true">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</a>
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Pedro C. Marijuán
Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group

<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" moz-do-not-send="true">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/" moz-do-not-send="true">http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/</a>
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