<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Gordona,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you for your detailed comments and questions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> I will read your linked text before answering, at ease, next week. </div><div class="">I am rather busy today, and I want read your text if only to minimise possible vocabulary problems.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kind regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bruno</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 14 Jun 2019, at 06:45, Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic <<a href="mailto:gordana.dodig-crnkovic@mdh.se" class="">gordana.dodig-crnkovic@mdh.se</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">Dear Bruno,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">I have a few questions to your answers and would be happy if you can help me to understand.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">Here they come, following formulations from your mail.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">“This seems to assume some primary natural reality, isn’t it?”<o:p class=""></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">Q: What is meant by “primary natural reality”?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">1. If it refers to the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">EXISTENCE</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>OF THE EXTERNAL/INTERNAL NATURAL WORLD, I think this is the most reasonable hypothesis to start with:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">The world/nature EXISTS.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">It is the fundamental assumption of all sciences which are our best present knowledge about the world.<b class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></b></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">Otherwise, if the world does not EXIST, we can conclude any discussion about it.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">2. The other question is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">HOW</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>that EXISTENCE of the world outside/inside cognitive agents presents itself or unfolds in an agent in the interaction with the world.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">That is the question of UMWELT, and the construction of knowledge through information processing. (Natural information processing = natural computation.)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">The “primary natural reality” reflects itself in a myriad of local “realities” in cognizing agents. As we know from empirical observations, even though existence of the world induces various information processes in various agents, communities of agents are typically sharing common “languages” about that “primary natural reality”.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">That is true for bacterial as well as for human communities. Languages reflect our ability to collectively navigate “primary natural reality” and share common references. So much so that we are able to commonly build a new semantic layer, that is human culture, upon that “primary natural reality”.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">“As I have shown, this requires a non computationalist theory of mind, which seems to me to be highly speculative.”<o:p class=""></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">Q:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">Why would that follow from the EXISTENCE of the world?</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">What kind of phenomenon is that “computation” which minds perform?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Is it the Turing model of discrete sequential symbol manipulation – calculation of mathematical function? It may at best describe linguistic part of the mind. But mind as a natural process is both data-based (even continuous data) and symbol based. Not Turing computable in it entirety, but “naturally computable” i.e. the result of natural information processing performed by living embodied minds.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">“I am not sure we can avoid the mind-body problem in a philosophy of information context</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class="">.”<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">Q: Why? Natural information processes in living organisms seem to me as the best way to bridge the mind-body chasm</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">. Mind is a result of a complex network of networks of information processes going on in a cognizing agent. That process is implemented in their bodies as a material substrate that is self-organized structure growth from that<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">“primary natural reality”</b>. There is no contradiction between the morphology (shape, structure, material) of an organism and its functions (processes performed by that morphology. At least those organisms who have nervous systems capable of representing their bodies and their relationships to their environments can be seen as possessing intrinsic “self-models” or simply having “self” or “mind”. That “mind” is the result of the relationships of its subsystems that constitute that “self”, that process which for an organism makes a distinction between the “self” vs. the world and the relationships between the two.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">Mind is a process, matter is its substrate on which the process is going on. Those are inseparable in a living organism. In-formation has it roots in the concept of formation (of a material substrate). Matter and form are two aspects of the same reality. It is not a problem, it is a way how we conceptualize the world, in order to manage its complexity.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">“There are no evidences for physicalism or for a physical primary reality, nor are there evidences for a non computationalist theory of mind.”<o:p class=""></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">Q: What is meant with “physicalism” here?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">Wikipedia offers two different definitions,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicalism" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicalism</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>according to which<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">Physicalism</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""> is the </span><span style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysical" title="Metaphysical" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">metaphysical</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""> thesis assuming that<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">a)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">"everything is physical"</b>, that there is "nothing over and above" the physical,</span><sup class=""><span style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicalism#cite_note-1" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">[1]</span></a></span></sup><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""> or<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">b) that<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">everything </b></span><b class=""><span style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supervenience" title="Supervenience" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">supervenes</span></a></span></b><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""> on the physical</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">.</span><sup class=""><span style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicalism#cite_note-DStoljar-2" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">[2]</a></span></sup><span style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">Those are two very different proposals. The first one is obviously false, as it negates all the emergent levels of organization of the world above physics.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">The second one depends on what is meant by “<b class="">supervenience”</b>. If it means that<b class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>higher levels of organization of matter-energy emerge from the lower ones bringing completely new properties, it is in perfect agreement with what sciences today say about the world and how they model the world.*<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">Molecules are made of atoms but bring completely new possibilities of structures, processes and interactions. Biology is more than chemistry for the same reason.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">Q: What would be “a physical primary reality”?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">Am I wrong if I imagine that I cannot go out of this room through its walls? Does not that mean that there is “a physical primary reality” that stops me from doing so, no matter how much I wish and try?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">“Of course some people confuse the evidences for physical laws with evidences that such laws are primary, but that is just because they “believe” in some natural world to begin with.”<o:p class=""></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">Q: What is primary?</span></b><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">Indeed, physical laws are not<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">primary</b>, in the sense of eternal and unchangeable, as they evolve with the universe*. Primary is the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">EXISTENCE</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of the world that we all share and experience. It presents itself in both fluid, intrinsic ways (subjective feelings and emotions) and crisp, well defined inter-subjective forms (as in sciences, logics, mathematics).</span><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">“We can’t have both Mechanism in cognitive science, and materialism, or just physicalism, in the “natural science”. That has been shown logically inconsistent.”<o:p class=""></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">It depends on the choice of “mechanism”, “cognitive science” (classical-computationalist disembodied or contemporary EEEE models of cognition), along with the kind of “physicalism” assumed, and even the choice of “natural sciences” to support your thesis. In the paper below (*) I argue, for a given choice of all those terms and with heavy reliance on the contemporary scientific knowledge, that computational mind is not only (naturally) compatible but essentially dependent on its physical substrate on succession of levels of organization.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">Q: If we have such model<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">in which “mechanisms” of information processing (natural computation in the framework of computing nature) from the lowest levels of exchanges between elementary particles to the highest levels of exchanges among people of symbolic structures and artifacts, wouldn’t that constitute a counter-example to the claim that mind and body have nothing to do with each other ? (**)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">All the best,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">Gordana<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">*<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.gordana.se/work/PUBLICATIONS-files/2019-Laws%20of%20Science%20as%20Laws%20of%20Nature.pdf" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">http://www.gordana.se/work/PUBLICATIONS-files/2019-Laws%20of%20Science%20as%20Laws%20of%20Nature.pdf</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(4, 50, 255);" class="">** No model or framework can explain everything about the world (including humans) at the same time, but info-computational approach can be used to model some interesting aspects of the mind emergent from, in interaction with its matter/energy substrate.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Fis <<a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</a>> on behalf of Bruno Marchal <<a href="mailto:marchal@ulb.ac.be" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">marchal@ulb.ac.be</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Thursday, 13 June 2019 at 15:11<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>fis <<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Fis] New Perspectives. Reply to Stan<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Joseph,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 12 Jun 2019, at 16:40, Joseph Brenner <<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif; color: navy;" class="">Stan,</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif; color: navy;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif; color: navy;" class="">Thank you for your question. I reply with a modified excerpt from an article in<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Philosophies.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>The full article is Open Access. I am indebted to Rafael Capurro for part of this formulation. Comments welcome.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif; color: navy;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif; color: navy;" class="">Best wishes,</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif; color: navy;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif; color: navy;" class="">Joseph</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif; color: navy;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: justify;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Natural Philosophy: Excerpt from Brenner, J. 2018. The Naturalization of Natural Philosophy.<span class="apple-converted-space"><i class=""> </i></span><i class="">Philosophies<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">2018<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b></i>3, 41.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: justify; text-indent: 35.4pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Natural Philosophy deals with the question of nature as a whole stated by beings (ourselves) that find themselves in nature without having the possibility of a holistic view, being ourselves in nature and not beyond it. The fact that we are able to ask this question means that we have some kind of pre-knowledge about nature as a whole while at the same time this pre-knowledge is problematic, otherwise we would not ask the question and would not be able to become natural philosophers.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: justify; text-indent: 35.4pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">The question then changes to the difference between nature and reality as a whole, including fictions, non-verifiable beliefs and intangible objects of thought. Since the idea that classical Natural Philosophy evolved into science seems correct, we are left, for the domain of Natural Philosophy, with only a speculative interpretation of nature viewed in its entirety. This interpretation is,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">ipso facto</i>, at a lower ontological level than the science which has largely replaced it. Much of the 20th Century linguistic turn, expressed in both analytical and phenomenological and residual transcendental traditions, is well visible in contemporary philosophy.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: justify; text-indent: 35.4pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">The reaction to this unsatisfactory state of affairs has been the reinstatement of realisms and materialisms of various kinds, associated today with the names of Derrida, Badiou, Zizek, and others. The ‘ontological turn’ in philosophy is a term of art that designates dissatisfaction with descriptions of reality based on analytical, semantic criteria of truth. Starting with Heidegger’s critique of hermeneutics and the basing of philosophy on human life, the ontological turn is a challenge to neo-Kantian epistemologies, and looks to what the structure of the world might be like to enable scientific, that is, non-absolute knowledge. Unfortunately, ontological theories have been hobbled by the retention of static terms whose characteristics are determined by bivalent logic. In 2002, Priest suggested that such an ontological turn in philosophy was taking place, away from language in the direction of an contradictorial view of reality. Priest proposed paraconsistent logic as appropriate to this turn, but his system suffers from the epistemological limitations of paraconsistency. Lupasco, on the other hand, anticipated the ontological turn by some 60 years. (In the complete article, I show that his logical system can be used to differentiate between Natural Philosophy and Philosophy<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">tout court.</i>)</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: justify; text-indent: 35.4pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">The most important point for me is that Natural Philosophy tells us something real about the world that is consistent with our best science, physical, biological and cognitive. Speculative philosophy can always re-illuminate ‘eternal’ questions such as what it means to be a thinking being in a non-thinking environment. This non-Natural Philosophy, to repeat, exists for ‘natural’ reasons: it is a natural necessity for human beings to create it, by a natural process, but it is not part of nature<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">qua</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>content.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">This seems to assume some primary natural reality, isn’t it?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As I have shown, this requires a non computationalist theory of mind, which seems to me to be highly speculative.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I am not sure we can avoid the mind-body problem in a philosophy of information context. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">There are no evidences for physicalism or for a physical primary reality, nor are there evidences for a non computationalist theory of mind. Of course some people confuse the evidences for physical laws with evidences that such laws are primary, but that is just because they “believes” in some natural world to begin with. I think it is better to be agnostic and see where the facts (experimental) and working theories lead us.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We can’t have both Mechanism in cognitive science, and materialism, or just physicalism, in the “natural science”. That has been shown logically inconsistent (ask for reference if interested).<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Bruno<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif; color: navy;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><hr size="0" width="100%" align="center" class=""></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">Fis [<a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Stanley N Salthe<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>mardi, 11 juin 2019 21:09<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>fis<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Fis] New Perspectives</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Joseph -- Would you like to write how you define Natural Philosophy?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">STAN<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 12:03 PM<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Joseph Brenner<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin: 5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif;" class="">Dear Pedro and All,</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif;" class="">Many thanks are due to you, Pedro, for this new and valuable formulation of the – daunting - task at hand. The task is logical and philosophical, as well as scientific. Philosophy here, exemplified by the Philosophy of Information, does not mean standard discussions of ‘where did we come from’ and ‘does a transcendent deity exist’, which are as sterile in their way as the excesses of the IT and AI ideologists. Natural Philosophy can be a ‘vehicle’ for interaction between people of good will, the collaboration that you point to that may help to advance IS4SI. Some of you who may not have been at the Conference in San Francisco (Berkeley) may wish to look at abstracts of papers from the Philosophy of Information sub-conferences at the 2015, 2017 and 2019 Summit conferences on Information.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif;" class="">To revitalize the list is indeed a key first step. But it starts, in my opinion, with some self-examination, examination of whether one’s own theories are just ‘pet’ theories. Applying this criterion to my own Logic in Reality, about which I have written on several occasions, I claim that it is not just a pet theory. It is a new perspective on how information, logic and thought operate as real processes, following laws within the laws of physics, without loss of a human, ethical dimension. However, LIR makes many demands on one. It requires an understanding and acceptance of what is /<i class="">not</i>/ Natural Philosophy, which may include some of the ideas that have appeared in this list. </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif;" class="">Again, accepting my own criterion of interactive non-separability, I do not call for any exclusions or limitations on the list. I only wish that everyone makes the necessary effort to position his or her own views in relation to the overriding need for furthering the Common Good. The sum of all such honest self-referential (or second-order recursive) opinions of people about their own work would itself be a useful creative effort, I think.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif;" class="">Thank you and best wishes,</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', serif;" class="">Joseph<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Fis [mailto:<a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</a>] On Behalf Of Pedro C. Marijuan<br class="">Sent: mardi, 11 juin 2019 13:05<br class="">To: 'fis'<br class="">Subject: [Fis] New Perspectives</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">Dear FIS Colleagues,</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">A few days ago took place the IS4SI Meeting, in SFco, with one of the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">parallel sessions devoted to FIS and other sessions also with presence<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">of veteran parties of this list. Relevant speakers in the plenary<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">sessions covered the main topic of the conference, expressed as: Where<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">is the I in Artificial Intelligence and the Meaning in Information? From<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">Tristan Harris to Melanie Mitchell, to Paul Verschure, etc.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">In my view the perspectives in these IT fields are changing<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">significantly. The tremendous hype in AI, Deep Learning, IOT, etc. keeps<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">unabated, but critical voices are being heard, not just from a few<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">Academia corners as usual, but now by leading technologists and<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">researchers of big companies in these very fields. "Dissent" on the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">contents, methodologies, and consequences of social applications is growing.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">The industrial development of this IT sector --notwithstanding the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">inflated proclamations and all the hype of the gurus-- does not mean the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">arrival of some great singularity, or the symbiosis with machines, or<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">widespread menace of robots & cyborgs... these are slogans coming from<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">the industrialists to maintain social/ideological preeminence for their<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">whole sector. Rather I think they are starting to feel the consequences<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">of their social overstretching in different ways.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">The fundamental point, in my opinion, is that our solitary, isolated<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">efforts from a few Academia places (Sciences & Humanities) in the quest<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">for new perspectives in Information Science, and not just AI<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">development, should not isolated any more. We can now establish an<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">interesting dialog and partnership with those new "dissenters" of the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">technology in its concepts, methods, and social applications. It is upon<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">us to improve the discussion procedures, the collaborations, the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">organization, etc. so that this opportunity might materialize<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">progressively. Do not ask me how... In any case I pointed out three<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">future directions for IS4SI advancement: community building, attracting<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">scientific/technological avantgarde, and organizational improvement.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">Revitalizing this discussion list--shouldn't it be one of the first steps?</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">Best greetings to all,</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">--Pedro</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">-------------------------------------------------</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="gmail-m8386423096837602299msoplaintext" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">Pedro C. 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