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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:106%;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>Dear
colleagues,<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:106%;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span> <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:106%;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>Limits
also need a collaborative effort. Just in the last contributions, we saw Pedro
approach the same subject from the biologists’, Bruno from the
mathematician-philosopher’s side, Stan giving an overview. The term ‘limit’ is
applied, if I understand the positions clearly, referring once to thresholds
within, and twice to boundaries delimiting the inside from the outside.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:106%;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span> <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:106%;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>The
proposal is to return to the linguistic analysis of what we all say. Pedro
agrees that symbols which are applied concurrently on objects can create a
model of a living organism, quasi as a temporal cross-section of the processes
in an organism. In the contemporary context – let me thank Michel Petitjean,
who has advised me to take care with the word ‘commutative’, as it refers to
concepts that have their own connotations and definitions in mathematics -, it
is possible to say ‘the liver contains x<sub>1</sub> mg Fe/g tissue and y<sub>1</sub>
mg K/g and z<sub>1</sub> mg Ca/g, while the lungs contain x<sub>2</sub>mg Fe/g
tissue and y<sub>2</sub>mg K/g and z<sub>2</sub>mg Ca/g and the muscles contain
x<sub>3</sub>mg Fe/g tissue and y<sub>3</sub>mg K/g and z<sub>3</sub>mg Ca/g”, while
it is not reasonable to say “liver is 1<sup>st</sup>, muscles are 2<sup>nd</sup>
and lungs are 3<sup>rd</sup>”, because these objects are contemporary. Insofar
the word ‘mixture’ describes an assembly, in which the elements have no fixed
spatial order or sequence, the organism is a contemporary mixture, and in
amateur-speak commutative (because one has learnt that if the position of an
element in an expression is of no relevance, then the ability to be anywhere is
called being commutative). One could continue the list of nutrients and
constituents across more organs, the principle is clear: more than one
statement can be true with regard to one element. These statements make the
elements distinguishable, irrespective of where they are, and even more
irrespective of the sequence in which we recite their properties. (We
generalise into <i>n</i> organs and
substitute mg/g value ranges into colors. ‘Of <i>n</i> balls, <i>r</i> are colored <i>red</i>, <i>b</i>
are colored <i>blue</i>, <i>g</i> are colored <i>green’</i>, observations: 1.) blue, red and green balls are
distinguishable, 2. The question is meaningful to ask: ‘How many are <i>{red+blue, blue+green, …</i>?’)<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:106%;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span> <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:106%;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>As
opposed to the commutative (contemporary, like a mixture), the sequenced
assembly, of which the finest example is our DNA, is such, that it is not
possible to say “element <i>i</i> is on position <i>i<sub>1</sub></i> and
concurrently on position <i>i<sub>2</sub></i> and <i>i<sub>3</sub></i>”. This
is a different way of piling true statement above each other. Each element is
unique with regard to its place, but is seen as being without any private,
distinguishing marks, once lifted off its place. It is actually the imagined
place of the element what we count, not the element itself, that being without
any marks. The element is actually defined by “That, which is <i>i </i>places away from <i>no-place</i>, otherwise nondescript.”<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:106%;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span> <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:106%;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>Now
we have arrived at having <i>two</i> counting backgrounds, once with regard to
the how-ness of elements, irrespective of places, and once with regard to the
where-ness of elements, irrespective of their how-ness.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:106%;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span> <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:106%;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>We
relate the <b>how-ness</b> of elements to
their <b>where-ness</b> by means of using
their common <b>how-many-ness</b>. Having a
fixed number of elements, we discuss, how many variants of how-ness are
possible for so many elements, and compare this to the results we find as we
investigate, how many where-ness these same elements can produce. The results are
indeed startling, and can be studied in detail in <a href="http://oeis.org/A242615" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);text-decoration:underline"><span style="color:blue">oeis.org/A242615</span></a>.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:106%;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span> <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:106%;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>We
are used to having a mental grid of evenly spaced intervals as the background,
like a millimetre paper. In such a system, the undeniable existence of limits,
thresholds, equivalence ranges and delineations, which comes by itself, appears
indeed puzzling. The proposal is to use <b>two
</b>kinds of millimetre paper, which deviate slightly with respect to one
another. If we use the basic unit of 1 million logical relations and scale, how
many actual units are needed to produce so many combinatorial varieties, we
shall get two, slightly differing kinds of millimetre papers (background graph
papers). <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:106%;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>Once
we overlay the equally patterned web grid with one more web grid, which is a
slightly deviating non-equally patterned grid, we see magnifications and shrinkage,
separated by two slices of almost sharp agreements of the scales. Which of the
two background grids is well-proportioned and which is distorting, is of course
n undecidable epistemological, oftentimes livid, at times explosive discussion
among the two principles which depict “number of distinct logical relations
possible among <i>n </i>elements” in two,
slightly different ways. There are always more variations of space for the
things being varied, except if the things number between 33 and 96, in which
case there are more variations of things possible in the moment than variants
of space exist to accommodate the variations. The conclusion is, that the world
is both contemporary and sequential. Hence the necessity for the cycles.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:106%;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span> <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:106%;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>The
overlap of two, equally valid, counting scales, number lines, while counting
leads to a great number of limits, thresholds, equivalence ranges and many
other phaenomena, among which logical archetypes, that is: types of
agglomerations of logical variants for which there is no logical space to be
in.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:106%;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span> <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:106%;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>The
delineation to the outside, and with it, the recognition, for which kinds of
logical sentences the method of counting <i>consistently</i> is helpful, and
for which not, has been addressed following a very fine tradition by Bruno and
by Stan here. If I understand their exposes correctly, the moral of the story
is: we can recognise, which systems are rational, if we had built the system
rationally, and this system itself is a definition of what can be expressed by
it rationally. This is a time-honoured result of thinking, and agrees to what
The Great W said about not wasting time talking nonsense, and what is not a
nonsense is anyway nothing news, as it cannot be anything new. What we can
reasonably say, we could have said it all, long ago before now, we were just
too much occupied with other business to talk about it before. It is not the
fault of tautologically true sentences that they had not been explicated
sooner: they had always been there. It is just us, who had not thought it
possible till now.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The good news is, that there is a light at the end of the tunnel
(vision). It appears possible to give a step-by-step introduction to the algorithmic
grasp of the term ‘information’. Information is in a fashion an answer to the question:
‘How many steps yet to the limit?’. This can be utilised, so there is reason to
keep working on encircling the biest.<span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Karl<span></span></p>
</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Mi., 27. Feb. 2019 um 16:22 Uhr schrieb Stanley N Salthe <<a href="mailto:ssalthe@binghamton.edu">ssalthe@binghamton.edu</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Here I reply to Pedro's challenge to arrange three well-known Principles into a Subsumptive Hierarchy.<div><br></div><div>
<p class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-p1"><span class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-s1">GODEL: </span><span class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-s2">The first incompleteness theorem states that no consistent system of axioms whose theorems can be listed by an effective procedure is capable of proving all truths about the arithmetic of the natural numbers. </span></p>
<p class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-p2"><span style="line-height:1.5"> SNS: Logic. You need a more encompassing system to demonstrate consistency of a system of axioms. This invites use of the subsumptive hierarchy; {{ }}.</span><br><span class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-s2"></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-p2"><span class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-s1" style="line-height:1.5">CHURCH-TURING: </span><span class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-s2" style="line-height:1.5"> Computation: A function on the natural numbers is computable by a human being following an algorithm if and only if it is computable by a Turing machine.</span><br><span class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-s2"></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-p4"><span style="line-height:1.5"> SNS: Mechanicism.</span><br><span class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-s2"></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-s1" style="line-height:1.5">HEISENBERG: </span><span class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-s2" style="line-height:1.5"> Measurement. The position and also the velocity of an object cannot both be measured exactly, at the same time.</span><br><span class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-s2"></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-p4"><span style="line-height:1.5"> SNS: Measurement is physical and disturbs the measured, changing it.</span><br><span class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-s2"></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-p4"><span style="line-height:1.5"><br></span></p><p class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-p4"><span style="line-height:1.5">Thus, in the subsumptive hierarchy:</span><br><span class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-s2"></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-p1"><span class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-s2">{ logic --> { mechanicism projected onto material world --> { contingency in material world }}} </span></p><p class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-p1"><span class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-s2"><br></span></p><p class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-p1"><span class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612m_1629126591270395848gmail-s2">STAN</span></p></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 3:15 PM Pedro C. Marijuan <<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<div class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612gmail-m_1629126591270395848gmail-m_-3611436872471830313moz-cite-prefix">See the red color and big font below
("fundamental principles: Godel, etc. ")<br>
<br>
El 26/02/2019 a las 21:09, Stanley N Salthe escribió:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Pedro -- Sorry, but I don't see the Three
Principles in this message. Could you please resend them? Thank
you.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>STAN<br>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 8:26
AM Pedro C. Marijuan <<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612gmail-m_1629126591270395848gmail-m_-3611436872471830313gmail-m_8544060259583124931moz-cite-prefix">Yes,
Stan, they are below. I repeat herein, see the context in
the message.<br>
<font size="+2"><b><font color="#990000">"inevitably
reappears later on in strange but fundamental
principles: Godel, Heisenberg, Church-Turing... They
basically consist in limits of thought..."</font></b></font><br>
Perhaps you can post in the list a composite with the
response to the principles too<br>
--Pedro<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
El 26/02/2019 a las 14:08, Stanley N Salthe escribió:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Pedro -- Thanks, but ... I don't see the
"three principles below". Can you repost?
<div>Also, please advance this discussion to the list (I
just forgot).<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>STAN</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 26, 2019
at 7:55 AM Pedro C. Marijuan <<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<div class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612gmail-m_1629126591270395848gmail-m_-3611436872471830313gmail-m_8544060259583124931gmail-m_-1780053587904366494moz-cite-prefix">OK
Stan, but how would you put in hierarchical
ordering those three principles below?<br>
By the way, you have not posted to the list (only
to me).<br>
Best--Pedro<br>
<br>
El 25/02/2019 a las 21:15, Stanley N Salthe
escribió:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Pedro -- Regarding limits, I again
advance a litany of limitations as shown in
hierarchical form (using the subsumptive
hierarchy format),
<div>suggesting how limitations and biases are
piled upon us.<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> (physico-chemical {biological {animal
{mammalian {primate {human {languaged }}}}}}</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Of course, each level opens up new,
increasingly limited, opportunities for new
explorations.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>STAN</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb
25, 2019 at 1:42 PM Pedro C. Marijuan <<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<div class="gmail-m_4041012540671045612gmail-m_1629126591270395848gmail-m_-3611436872471830313gmail-m_8544060259583124931gmail-m_-1780053587904366494gmail-m_2168157932639419346moz-cite-prefix">Dear
Karl and FIS Colleagues,<br>
<br>
Your message has made me think a couple of
subjects. First, I have acknowledged
several times, both publicly and
privately, that your approach to
estimating the multidimensional partitions
on limited sets (the limit of distinctions
when multiple qualities are piled upon
elements of finite sets) is highly
original and may find application in
different fields. I think particularly in
hippocampus' space/time organization of
our spike sequences into binding percepts;
probably in fields of physics too. But on
the other hand, I have always disagreed on
your (over)extension to DNA triplets,
which has received a strong emphasis from
your part ... Well, it is my personal
opinion, and it may be quite wrong, of
course.<br>
<br>
Anyhow, the above has taken me to the next
reflection, somehow outlandish, that
concerns "limits". I have some vague
memories of a reflection in C.Booker
(2004; or was it in Bonnet 2006?) on why
we are not conscious of our own
limitations and incur in quite many
idiosyncratic biases, which are so well
captured in narratives. I will try to put
it in a more conceptual way: our thinking
limitations do not let us establish the
limits of our thought. It has individual
consequences in our terrible inclination
to overextend paradigms, but also a more
"abstract", collective lack of final
anchors. <font size="+2" color="#990000">There
is a false closure attempted that fails,<b>
and inevitably reappears later on in
strange but fundamental principles:
Godel, Heisenberg, Church-Turing... </b>They
</font>basically consist in limits of
thought put to the foundations of
universalistic disciplines. In other more
restricted fields, particularistic ones,
those principles do not appear, or better,
they are not needed. In the case of
information science, which in my view is
also universalistic, that kind of
principled limit is needed too. Once
properly established, or at least
intuited, we could better discuss on the
kinds of general theories that may be
comprehended within a really multifarious
enterprise such as info science.<br>
<br>
I will appreciate hearing opinions on
these baseless comments.<br>
<br>
Best--Pedro <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
El 19/02/2019 a las 12:08, Karl Javorszky
escribió:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Dear Pedro,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>please allow me to raise a
dissenting voice to the content of
following citation:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"><i>“…On the other hand,
no general theory for large
non-equilibrium systems exists.
The legendary Hungarian
mathematician John Von Neuman once
referred to the theory of
non-equilibrium systems as the
“theory of non-elephants” meaning
there could be no unique theory of
such a vast area of science.” </i>(Per
Bak, How Nature Works)</span><br>
<span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"></span> </div>
<div>In fact, the theory has been
brought to you since some 24 years, as
a sequence of suggestions, proposals,
models, initiatives, encouragements,
requests and so forth, that observing
the interaction between sequences and
mixtures is opening up a new door to
a completely fresh view of the
interrelations among the parts of the
world. The principles deducted from
models that employ such elements which
are distinguishable and concurrently
both contemporaneously and
sequentially labeled (as opposed to
all models known hereto, which each
use elements that are
indistinguishable and either
sequential or contemporary), these
principles are valid and actually at
work in Nature, on all echelles, from
the subatomar to the galactic .</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I include the abstract I submitted
to IS4SI, as part of the FIS track,
and hope that the colleagues will
participate in bringing recgnition to
the collaborative work that has gon on
in this FIS chatroom since 1997. The
abstract describes, in the form of a
general theory, large non-equilibrium
systems. By including that part of the
world, which is not the case, the
theory encompasses elephants and
non-elephants concurrently.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Karl<span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"></span></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
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