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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear All,<br>
<br>
Joseph and Xueshan's points are of highest interest--and
difficulty. Before trying some response, let me conclude the
time-related aspects that impinge on behavior and their
translation on narratives. Somehow we were distinguishing the
"ordered" micro, the "disordered" meso, and the "reordered" macro.
A good story, one of the great traditional ones, deals with a long
time-span, one of the fundamental passages of the life cycle or
even a complete life. But how such a long time span can be
captured or depicted so that it can be told in just one of the
"ordered" micro segments? This is crucial for movies' duration is
around one hour and half, or maybe two hours, like a book chapter,
like people attending a comedy, or a drama, or listening to a
storyteller. It is the fundamental ultradian rhythm of behavior,
its basic "granularity". Then, condensing a tremendous web of
events into a consistent story of 90 minutes demands artistry, and
a solid way of structuring the stuff. So most movies contain the
same inner structure, with little variation due to the different
genres. The "magic" of the great stories that remove our deepest
feelings and seem anchored into our very molecular nature
(Plamen's comment) derives from a collective authorship during
centuries (Iliad, Odyssean, Spanish Romancero, Nordic Sagas) or
from a great individual mind (Proust, Shakeaspeare, Cervantes...).
We are entertained by their stories because our emotions have been
intensely moved during that really brief segment of time and we
have also learned some significant lesson for our lives, beyond
the repetitive and highly disordered contents of daily events. I
feel that something fundamental herein relates to the properties
of our consciousness...<br>
<br>
Both Joseph and Xueshan deal with say "foundational" or basic
principles. It is quite right that we must deal with political
information science, for we all see that the tremendous changes in
the social milieu derived from the new circulations of social
information are actually going towards the opposite of the
elevated aims supposedly at our reach decades ago...(I remember
naive hyperdemocratic views by Micheal Arbib in late 70s). But
perhaps clearest notions of social information science should be
established first. In my opinion, "narratives" have brought to our
debates the communicational preeminence of the life-cycle, which
disappears in the micro-meso levels and in the formal analysis of
our great communication tool: language. We should try to find
something similar for political information science: how could
"governance" of human societies be contemplated from the
information/communication point of view, which "strategic thread"
to follow?<br>
<br>
Best--Pedro<br>
<br>
<br>
El 13/12/2018 a las 8:20, Joseph Brenner escribió:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman
;color:navy" color="navy"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman \;color\:navy";color:navy">Dear
Pedro,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman \;color\:navy";color:navy"><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman
;color:navy" color="navy"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman \;color\:navy";
color:navy" lang="EN-GB">You make some very good
points to which attention should be called
for future reference. One is that one cannot make
progress by taking a natural
system (DNA-protein) and connecting it to an
un-natural system of lower
complexity. The same kind of error is made by
ignoring energetic pathways which
can only be described by reference to the properties
of energy and its logic,
where meaning is present <i><span
style="font-style:italic">a priori</span></i>
in both the physical and metaphysical senses.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman
;color:navy" color="navy"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman \;color\:navy";
color:navy" lang="EN-GB"><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman
;color:navy" color="navy"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman \;color\:navy";
color:navy" lang="EN-GB">On the positive side, I
think the emerging concept of a social
information science should be a guideline against
which to measure most if not
all of one’s work. It is no longer ethical, if it
ever was, to waste energy and
resources on outdated dogma. Even m</span></font><font
size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="navy"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:navy" lang="EN-GB">ore
importantly, perhaps, the concept of <i><span
style="font-style:italic">social information
science </span></i>points toward
(or includes) a potential <i><span
style="font-style:italic">political
information science</span></i>, in which serious
issues of ‘post-neo-casino’
capitalism can be discussed with the necessary
openness and rigor. In my view,
keeping a discussion like this one completely
politically neutral makes it
neuter in the long run.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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;color:navy" color="navy"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New
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color:navy" lang="EN-GB">Thank you and best wishes,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New
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color:navy" lang="EN-GB">Joseph<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-GB"><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color="black"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font
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style="font-size:10.0pt;
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Fis [mailto:<st1:personname u4:st="on"><st1:personname
w:st="on">fis</st1:personname></st1:personname>-bounces@listas.unizar.es]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Pedro
C. Marijuan<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
vendredi, 7 décembre 2018
17:38<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <st1:personname
u4:st="on"><st1:personname w:st="on">fis</st1:personname></st1:personname>@listas.unizar.es<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Fis] Focusing on
Narratives. Infordomics</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<u1:p></u1:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Dear Xueshan and FIS Colleagues,<br>
<br>
In your two posts you raise fundamental guidelines
for social information
science. I much praise your efforts to bring
coherence and structure into this
fundamental part of the whole information realm. A
problem you ponder, which
Joseph has entered, relates to the importance of
meaning and semiotics
(semiosis, semantics, etc.). Given that I maintain
a long standing disagreement
with almost everybody in this matter, both in the
biological and in the social,
I cannot help but saying a couple of things
finally trying to connect with the
leit motif of the current discussion.<br>
<br>
My conclusion after considerable years of work in
cellular signaling (contained
in half dozen main papers during last years) would
not only be that
"INFORMATION IS RELATIVE..." but that it has to be
appended with
"... TO THE LIFE CYCLE". So putting them together:
INFORMATION IS
RELATIVE TO THE LIFE CYCLE. Unfortunately a whole
generation of biosemioticians
have only focused in the DNA stupendous
combinatorics of bases later translated
in the ribosome as proteins, connecting it with
the Peircean schemes. And they
have disregarded what are the pathways that
communicate with the environment so
that the specific energy contents needed may be
recognized and imported. This
kind of signaling pathways have been used later on
to produce the astonishing
complexity of multicellulars. Like in the
classical dictum <em><i><font face="SimSun"><span
style="font-family:SimSun">"omnes viae</span></font></i></em><span
class="st"><i><span style="font-style:italic">
Romam </span></i></span><em><i><font
face="SimSun"><span
style="font-family:SimSun">ducunt" (all
ways lead to
Rome), </span></font></i></em>all of
these signaling pathways, <span class="st">all
the communication events with the environment, </span>
directly or
indirectly conduce to the advancement of the life
cycle. Meaning is thereafter
built as the generative result of each one of
these paths or of their
coalitions. Overall, a very different
bioinformational approach
looms--unfortunately scarcely trodden yet...
Anyhow, we are going excessively
into the biological arena.<br>
<br>
The point is whether, in social information
science, could something similar be
occurring? Isn't all the superstructure of
linguistic communication
essentially animated by the necessities, pulsions,
and expectations of a life
in progress? Doesn't the life course, in the form
of all of its neuronal
instantaneities, appear as the main mover of our
own consciousness contents? (a
specific discussion session on consciousness would
be needed here). At least,
if we go now to the current discussion, isn't the
advancement of the
individual's life the main focus of traditional
narratives? If some of these
questions are responded positively, social
information science would benefit of
establishing a "zeroth principle" around the life
course, the Rome to
which all human communication paths conduce ...
which I leave open, as I do not
like my present attempt ("The multifarious forms
of social
information can only be understood as interwoven
in the collective fabric of
human lives").<br>
<br>
This my second cent of the week, so I leave for a
next occasion the comment on
Plamen's touching and intriguing content (plus
Francesco and Karl).<br>
<br>
Best wishes<br>
--Pedro<br>
<br>
<br>
El 06/12/2018 a las 9:07, Xueshan Yan escribió:<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.65pt"><font
size="3" face="SimSun" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">Dear Joseph,</span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<u5:p></u5:p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:12.0pt;text-indent:21.0pt"><font
size="3" face="SimSun" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">Very sorry
for the late reply. I think all the questions you
put forward hit the points
what I said and each one of them is crucial. Let
me give you my brief answers
as follows.<u5:p></u5:p></span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:21.1pt"><b><font
size="3" face="SimSun" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-weight:bold" lang="EN-GB">1. The root -<i><span
style="font-style:italic">domos</span></i>
of the word Infordomics<u5:p></u5:p></span></font></b><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:21.0pt"><font
size="3" face="SimSun" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">Yes, the
basic meaning of Greek root '-<i><span
style="font-style:italic">domos</span></i>'
is <i><span style="font-style:italic">house</span></i>
or <i><span style="font-style:italic">place</span></i>,
but in older English dictionaries,
it has another meaning: others, miscellaneous.<u5:p></u5:p></span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:21.1pt"><b><font
size="3" face="SimSun" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-weight:bold" lang="EN-GB">2. Semiotics as
Linguistics and as a major stand-alone<u5:p></u5:p></span></font></b><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:21.0pt"><font
size="3" face="SimSun" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">This
question
is not difficult to understand. Saussure once said
that "Linguistics is a
sign subject." In other words, there are many
branches of semiotics (just
as there are many branches of information
science). Linguistics is only one of
the most important, mature, and standard branch of
semiotics. In addition, we
also have many other non-mainstream semiotics
branch to deal with body
language, music language, dance language, painting
language and so on. All
these are some human languages, and there are many
other natural signs to study
yet. So we can only regard (human) linguistics
what we usually called as one of
the branches of semiotics. Yes, you are right, in
my statement, the serious one
should be: "Semiotics <a name="OLE_LINK2"
moz-do-not-send="true"></a><a name="OLE_LINK1"
moz-do-not-send="true"></a>discusses the form of
information." Instead of: "Semiotics (Linguistics)
discusses the form
of information."<u5:p></u5:p></span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:21.1pt"><b><font
size="3" face="SimSun" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-weight:bold" lang="EN-GB">3. Information,
Meaning, Semiotics, and Semiotics</span></font></b><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<u5:p></u5:p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:21.0pt"><font
size="3" face="SimSun" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">Just as
Søren
and I suggested in another place, we could
consider "Information, Meaning,
and Sign" as a set of adjacent topics and should
gave a special concern.
In order to maintain the unity of rhetoric, my
suggestion is: Information,
Meaning, and Sign. (or Informatics, Semantics, and
Semiotics). I agree with
your "Semiosis both as meaning and as a dynamic
process of reasoning and
of generating meaning.", as for whether to add it
in this set or not, both
will be OK. Generally speaking, you, Søren, and I
agree that Information,
Meaning, and Sign are three basic concepts in our
study of social/human
information and communication.<u5:p></u5:p></span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:21.1pt"><b><font
size="3" face="SimSun" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-weight:bold" lang="EN-GB">4. Meaning does
not mean that it is an unscientific concept<u5:p></u5:p></span></font></b><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:21.0pt"><font
size="3" face="SimSun" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">As we can
see, the relationship between information and
meaning has been discussed in our
FIS forums for 20 years. Semantics of human
natural language has been studied
for about 80 years. Meaning research in other
humanities (including a large
number of philosophical and logical works) even
has a more longer history, but
none of these studies has yet produced a
universally accepted explanation. Can
our fundamental information science explorers
contribute a little to this? I'm
looking forward to it.<u5:p></u5:p></span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:21.0pt"><font
size="3" face="SimSun" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">When we read
the
works of biology, genetics, and genomics, the
common statement is that the four
base combinations of A, G, C, and T constitute a
base sequence, and a group of
base sequences constitute a gene. In neuroscience,
in astrophysics, there is
only "information" but no "meaning". In computer
science,
in <st1:place u4:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Shannon</st1:place></st1:place>'s
information theory, there is only "information"
but no
"meaning" too. Therefore, when I discuss <i><span
style="font-style:
italic">Inforware</span></i>, I define it as
the three-level combination of
"Information, Sign, and Substrate" rather than the
four-level
combination of "Information, Meaning, Sign, and
Substrate". Very
fortunately, Guoheng Jia, a Chinese situation
semantist, has given a
preliminary judgment that "information" and
"meaning" could
be equivalent. (I've invited him to come to our
FIS to give a talk in due
course.)<u5:p></u5:p></span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;text-indent:
24.0pt"><font size="3" face="SimSun" color="black"><span
style="font-size:
12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">FIS has been discussing for
20 years, and the fundamental exploration
of information science has been going on for
decades. What is the contribution
of the researchers to it? Very little! We would
fell relieved if we could take
even some small steps and make some small
contributions to the basic issues.
Starting from some promising place and doing it
down-to-earth, greed has no
future.<u5:p></u5:p></span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-GB"><u5:p> </u5:p></span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-GB">Best wishes,<u5:p></u5:p></span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-GB">Xueshan</span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<u5:p></u5:p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="DengXian"
color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:DengXian"
lang="EN-US"><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2"
face="Calibri" color="black"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font
size="2" face="Calibri" color="black"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"> <a
href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es"
moz-do-not-send="true">fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</a>
<a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es"
moz-do-not-send="true"><fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es></a>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Joseph Brenner<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, December 4, 2018
7:39 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
<st1:personname u4:st="on"><st1:personname
w:st="on">fis</st1:personname></st1:personname>
<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"
moz-do-not-send="true"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Fis] Focusing on
Narratives. Infordomics<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-US"><u5:p> </u5:p></span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:
11.0pt">Dear Xueshan,<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:
11.0pt"><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
lang="EN-GB">Thank you for your proposal of a
domain of
Infordomics. I see it as a way of furthering the
useful insights that can be
gained thorough classification, guidelines and
protocols of discussion. I note
that </span></font><font size="2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">–</span></font><font
size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-GB">domics
and domain have the
same Greek root </span></font><i><font size="2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-style:italic">‘</span></font></i><i><font
size="2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-style:italic"
lang="EN-GB">domos</span></font></i><i><font
size="2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-style:italic">’ – </span></font></i><font
size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-GB">house
or place, hence, the <u>place</u>
for information.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
lang="EN-GB"><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
lang="EN-GB">However, I think that your proposed
inclusion of
Semiotics as Linguistics and as a major
stand-alone subject is problematic.
This is in part due to the absence, in your list,
of an explicit reference to
Meaning.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
lang="EN-GB"><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
lang="EN-GB">Sören has proposed as a subject, in
another context, </span></font><font size="2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">“</span></font><font
size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-GB">Information,
Meaning and Semiotics</span></font><font size="2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">”</span></font><font
size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-GB">.
For discussion here, I would have
preferred Information, Meaning, Semiosis and
Semiotics. I see Semiosis both as
meaning and as a dynamic process of reasoning and
of generating meaning. On the
other hand, Semiotics is rather a classificatory
system applied to formal,
structural aspects of language. Of course, there
is some overlap with meaning,
but Semiotics as most commonly used today suffers
from its implied reference to
and dependence on the categories, logic and
classifications of Peirce. It is
necessary to remind ourselves that the Peircean
approach is only one among
others, and that more serious scientific and
ontological commitments can be
made in some of the latter. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
lang="EN-GB"><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
lang="EN-GB">The fact that Meaning in a sense in
involved in all
the fields you define (psychology, communication,
social information) does not
mean that it is an unscientific concept; it is
that it, like information
itself, requires some additional dynamic
dimensions for its description.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
lang="EN-GB"><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
lang="EN-GB">Best wishes,<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
lang="EN-GB"><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
lang="EN-GB">Joseph<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="navy"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB"><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"
align="center"><font size="3" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
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<hr size="3" align="center" width="100%">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"
color="black"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font
size="2" face="Tahoma" color="black"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"> Fis [</span></font><span
lang="EN-US"><a
href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es"
moz-do-not-send="true"><font size="2"
face="Tahoma"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</span></font></a></span><font
size="2" face="Tahoma" color="black"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US">] <b><span
style="font-weight:bold">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Xueshan Yan<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
mardi, 4 décembre 2018 11:08<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
FIS Group<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Fis] Focusing on
Narratives</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<u5:p></u5:p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="SimSun"
color="black"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt"><u5:p> </u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.65pt"><font
size="3" face="SimSun" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Dear
Colleagues,<u5:p></u5:p></span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:12.0pt;text-indent:21.0pt"><font
size="3" face="SimSun" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Thanks Pedro
for introducing the important topic of narrative,
many views of Loet, Joseph, Karl,
of course Pedro, etc. are very profound.</span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<u5:p></u5:p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:21.0pt"><font
size="3" face="SimSun" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">After
accomplished my first book to investigate various
information and informational
disciplines, my second book, <i><span
style="font-style:italic">Infordomics</span></i>,
will concentrate on discussing information issues
in the Humanities and Social
Sciences, narrative will be its main concern. I
have collected a dozen of books
about these aspects. Infordomics is a new
discipline which I named. As far as
the current information concerned, technological
information, biological
information, and social information are the three
dominating types we have
seen. Technological information has been
exclusively studied by technological
informatics (computer science, telecommunications
science), biological
information has been exclusively studied by
biology, and only social
information is a scattered topic in history,
journalism, literature, art,
religion, anthropology, sociology, and others, we
haven</span>’</font><span lang="EN-US">t a special
discipline to deal with it so far. Therefore, I
think
that achievements on information for us are most
likely in this field.<u5:p></u5:p></span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:21.0pt"><font
size="3" face="SimSun" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">As far as
the
information issues we are concerning, Psychology
discusses the processing of
information, communication (Communicology)
discusses the transmission of
information, Semiotics (Linguistics) discusses the
form of information, and
Infordomics will discuss the remaining issues of
information. At the beginning,
I may concentrate on its structure problems.
Psychology, Communicology,
Semiotics (Linguistics), and Infordomics (other
new disciplines on information
may emerge in the future certainly.) constitute a
systematic study about
social/human information.<u5:p></u5:p></span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:21.0pt"><font
size="3" face="SimSun" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">However, our
FIS (including our IS4SI) is at a hard time now,
and we need a firm and
promising guideline and protocol.<u5:p></u5:p></span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:18.0pt"><font
size="3" face="SimSun" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Best wishes,<u5:p></u5:p></span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.65pt"><font
size="3" face="SimSun" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Xueshan<u5:p></u5:p></span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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