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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'>Dear Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'>Pedro’s approach, solidly
anchored in biology, allows for progress in understanding. Two comments on his ‘logic’:
1) I would not call the ‘concoction’ within which we live
imaginary. It is rather a set of real, dynamic mental processes, with actual
and potential, effectively causal components. 2) ‘Complex life’
instantiates potential (and kinetic) energy not only in a ‘book keeping
role’. Complex life is constituted by actual and potential energy evolving
in cycles and stages. Some myths (Epimetheus and Prometheus) correctly express
this duality and its evolution.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'>Unfortunately, there is another
myth that I believe correctly models part of Jerry’s proposals. It is
that of Procrustes, an innkeeper who stretched or cut the legs of his guests to
make them fit the only available beds, until taken care of by Heracles. You
write: </span></font><span lang=EN-GB>A lot more needs to be said about the
intimate nature of relations among scientific narratives before one can bind
the logic of the perplex number system to the grammars associated with
mathematically structured anticipatory systems.</span><font size=2 color=navy><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'>This sentence needs to be
parsed, given the concatenation of terms: in my opinion, the purpose of
understanding the relations among scientific narratives is to understand real anticipatory
systems, whether or not mathematically structured. Perplex numbers are
artificial numerological constructions with a corresponding logic that may or
may not apply to other artificial constructions, such as abstract anticipatory
systems, without dynamics. Narratives about real science could be applied in
principle to such questions, but the implication must be avoided that such
application would tell us anything about reality. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'>I cannot accept any manipulation
of numbers as being more than <i><span style='font-style:italic'>a posteriori. </span></i>This
applies also to Karl’s approach. Also, the concept of an ‘in-<i><span
style='font-style:italic'>formed</span></i>’ number is an oxymoron,
although I understand the attempt to ascribe ‘value-by-association’,
so to speak. Numbers cannot accept ‘form’, or its meaning; they
exist, eternally, outside the world of form and change. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'>I thus stress the importance of
Pedro’s statement: processes do not go </span></font><span lang=EN-GB>smoothly
upwards from the quantum level.</span><font size=2 color=navy><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'> As one proceeds to higher levels of reality,
there are discontinuities and different laws apply. One only notes the presence
of some isomorphisms, such as the failure of some macroscopic process equations
to commute or distribute. Finally, I, at least, will resist any attempts to let
in, through the back door, anti-scientific concepts of quantum processes in
mind and cognition.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'>Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'>Joseph<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'> Fis [mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Pedro C. Marijuan<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> mardi, 20 novembre 2018
21:15<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> fis<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Jerry LR Chandler<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fis] Anticipatory
Systems--"Potential"</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-US
style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dear Jerry and FIS colleagues,<br>
<br>
I wonder how big or how clever your Chemostat apparatus should be. There are
thousands of metabolic intermediates in an organism, and there are another
thousands of diversified signals. And we have in the order of 30 billion cells
(trillions in the US system). Plus around 100 trillion of bacterial cells in
the microbiome. "We" are the emergence all of that molecular
diversity. It does not mean that life exactly "controls" all the
details of the mega-information of this whole system... How that control is
organized, the principles of biological information, so to speak, become
another great question, but probably very different from the idea of mass
control in a chemostat. </span></font><span lang=EN-GB>In any case, the way you
have argued it, seemingly smoothly going upwards from the quantum level, is
beyond of what I consider feasible. </span>Scientific overstretching of a
reasonable paradigm perhaps.<br>
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Socially, indeed, we do not try to communicate around by following a colossal
strategy of reducing happenstances to their quantum description; neither to the
kind of meta-languages you mention. In general, social communication revolves
around narratives. They are not free-wheeling constructions (at least referring
to the "great stories" of all epochs) but optimized tools to guide
individuals in the advancement of their lives, in the achievement of their
"potential". Looking at the historical evolution of those great
stories, they are teaching us about which were the cardinal aspects of common
life to be specifically grasped by the child, by the adolescent, by the maiden,
the artisan, the warrior, the priest... And in this social communication
endeavors, life cycles do not appear as homogeneous linearly "timed".
Human lives are continuously looking ahead, anticipating
("Prometheus" style) but simultaneously looking at the past and
pondering on it ("Epimetheus" style). Although
"presentists", we live within an imaginary concoction built of mosaic
pasts and futures, "multi-timed" so to speak. The way to harmonize
past, present, and future (vital information) is one of the leit motifs of
those great stories.<br>
<br>
And about cycles, so many of them can be found. At the scale of the
organism: cellular & tissular cycles, metabolic cycles, behavioral
cycles, ultradian cycles, circadian cycles, seasonal cycles, yearly cycles,
secular cycles, and many others related to social mores. Some of them can be
arranged in a sort of hierarchy or inclusivity, but there is a fundamental
diversity. That most of this orchestration of cycles does not require a
conscious effort does not mean that we should ignore them concerning the roots
of social communication. The cycles and stages (and "passages")
within a life cycle have an ominous presence. As i was saying, the
"potential" of each young life in ascend requires the reception of
wisdom (via social communication narratives) to integrate the own individual
path within the social matrix of the time.<br>
<br>
Thinking twice about the "potential" of life, it might be something
important to consider regarding any form or manifestation of life. Perhaps
better than the Principle of Conatus from Spinoza I was referring days ago (the
effort to self-maintain and flourish). Complex life has "potential"
to advance along some multi-time, multi-cycle developmental path in the most
complex of all environments: the social matrix. Is there some deep similarity
of this potential with the role that "potential" energy plays in our
book-keeping of energy conservation?<br>
<br>
Thanking the comments,<br>
Best--Pedro<br>
<br>
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El 19/11/2018 a las 1:55, Jerry LR Chandler escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Pedro, List: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>To put this in context, see my extensive post of
Oct 27, which is re-posted below. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Oct 31, 2018, at 3:53 PM, Pedro C. Marijuan <<a
href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" moz-do-not-send=true>pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;background:white'>Also I would
like to be able to respond to other demands from Jerry, but here is my
counter-demand: could you adventure tools to formally capture such a
multi-time, multi-rhythm being as a life-cycle in progress?</span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Here I merely respond to Pedro’s counter demand.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The formal capture of such “multi-time,
multi-rhythm being as a life cycle in process” is captured by time
sequences of measurements on specific compositions of the specific species of
life. The wide-spread experimentation with Chemostats is one such
example. The Chemostat apparatus establishes and maintains a steady state rate
of reproduction with constant input flows of nutrients and constant outflow of
cells and waste and unused nutrients. (see <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemostat" moz-do-not-send=true>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemostat</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>A chemostat allows unbounded number of measurements of
time series of unbounded number of cellular components by merely changing flow
rates and other constraining parameters.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>(I really do not understand the distinction between
the terms "multi-time" and "multi-rhythm" since
multi-rhythm infers multi-time. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to
speak of the multiplicity of biochemical cycles that are necessary for the chemical
system to reproduce itself in the sense that one cell begets two cells in
uni-cellular organisms or, similarly, in higher organisms with orgasms, two
individuals reproduce by generating a third individual with directly comparable
cycles.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>More directly to the issues of numbers and information
theory, the remaining challenges are not a consequence of “errors”
of thinking in the basic physics of matter. Rather, a central unsolved
problem is closely associated with time and material cycles, cycles within
material cycles, cycles within cycles within material cycles. Quantum
theory (QED) provides the basic mathematics to initiate cycles within cycles
(nuclear spin surrounded by electron spin). The challenge is to generate
from QED mathematics, the mathematics of cycles within cycles with cycles
describing molecules, and higher cycles of natural sorts and kinds. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> This can be deictic with a partition of the
complete lexis of all possible narratives. The formal status should
relate to Tarski’s “meta-languages”. see “The
Primary Logic” by Michel Malatesta for a detailed description of the
relationships between the lexus of individual disciplines. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The following quote from Cerruti (</span></font><font
size=1 color="#333333" face=SourceSansPro><span style='font-size:7.0pt;
font-family:SourceSansPro;color:#333333;background:white'>Foundations of
Chemistry · August 2017) </span></font><span style='background:white'>seems
to illuminate certain aspects of the problem:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=1 color=black face=AdvPTimes><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:
AdvPTimes'>In a sense, the very same title of the foundational work by Rudolf
Carnap (Der logische Aufbau der</span></font><font size=2><span
style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.5pt'><img border=0 width=345 height=2
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=1 color=black face=AdvPTimes><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:
AdvPTimes'>Welt, </span></font><font size=1 color=blue face=AdvPTimes><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:AdvPTimes;color:blue'>1928</span></font><font
size=1 face=AdvPTimes><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:AdvPTimes'>)
expresses very clearly the cognitive purposes of the proponents of this
viewpoint. The semantic view shifts the philosopher’s attention from the
logical analysis of theories towards an investigation based on mathematical
models. A relevant supporter of this standpoint is the Dutch philosopher Bas
van Fraassen (mentioned by Fortin and coauthors). In his 1980 essential work,
van Fraassen clearly speaks of ‘‘failure of the syntactic
approach’’ and strongly claims that: ‘‘the notions of
truth and model belong to semantics’’ (van Fraassen </span></font><font
size=1 color=blue face=AdvPTimes><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:AdvPTimes;
color:blue'>1980</span></font><font size=1 face=AdvPTimes><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:AdvPTimes'>, pp. 43 and 53). According to
the Dutch philosopher ‘‘Any structure which satisfies the axioms of
a theory [</span></font><font size=1 face=AdvPSSym><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:AdvPSSym'>...</span></font><font size=1 face=AdvPTimes><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:AdvPTimes'>] is called a model of that
theory’’, and ‘‘The models occupy centre
stage’’. Van Fraassen’s models are to be intended in the
strictly mathematical sense of the theory of models. For example, talking about
the Bohr’s atomic model, he distances himself from this use of the term:
‘‘in the scientists’ use, ‘model’ denotes what I
would call a model-type’’ (van Fraassen </span></font><font size=1
color=blue face=AdvPTimes><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:AdvPTimes;
color:blue'>1980</span></font><font size=1 face=AdvPTimes><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:AdvPTimes'>, p. 44). In synthesis:
‘‘For the Syntactic View, what is not (or cannot be) reconstructed
axiomatically is not theoretical, while for the Semantic View, what is not (or
cannot be) modeled mathematically is not theoretical’’. Based on
this sharp contrast, it is not surprising that the supporters of the syntactic
versus semantic views have often chosen a ‘‘strategy of
combat’’ within the philosophical debate (Winther </span></font><font
size=1 color=blue face=AdvPTimes><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:AdvPTimes;
color:blue'>2015</span></font><font size=1 face=AdvPTimes><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:AdvPTimes'>). </span></font><font
size=2><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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I’ll stop here for now. A lot more needs to be said about the
intimate nature of relations among scientific narrative before one can bind the
logic of the perplex number system to the grammars associated with
mathematically structured anticipatory systems.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>jerry<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Oct 21, 2018, at 1:58 PM, Pedro C. Marijuan <<a
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dear FIS Collegues,<br>
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To Jerry: Thanks for the appreciation. I cannot object the logico-formal path
you propose, but is it feasible?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Since it already operates in nature, does this make
these paths mathematically infeasible?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>It seems that nature does what nature does, without
questioning it’s feasibility!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Several disciplines already have made the logic-formal
path of molecular biology the critical basis of practice - the leading
practitioners of personalized medicine, for example. The readers of this
list have the opportunity to learn the foundation of modern biomedical
information theory, rather than simply deny its existence! Meanwhile, the
high school students of today are learning the intricacies of the several
coding systems necessary to represent natural information transfer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>I really doubt that a new way of thinking could emerge
by logically bridging those different disciplines; the magnitude is more than
enormous.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Your strange fears are unwarranted, in my opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>My argument is that the most pressing problems in the
informational arena (susceptible of being "bridged") refer to
cell-cycle logics of signaling, and human life advancement and social
communication strategies.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hmmmm…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>It seems to me that your analysis could be stronger if
you separate the grounding of information transmission in various narrative
categories. Pragmatic information transportation is grounded in composed
organizations. Naturally composed organizations are not merely
mathematical metaphysics, they are real functional identities. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>At the root of organized systems are the codes of
representations. Quantum theory forms the dynamics. The informed numbers of
nature form the transmission agents for information transfer and information
re-formations (reactive compositions that change the scale of being).
Organisms reproduce information, not merely send information from point A
to point B. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>The informed numbers of living systems are not merely
inert symbols of meta-physical mathematics (phenomenology?), but informed
numbers have attributes. The attributes of informed numbers are
expressible in several codes (symbol systems), including the electrical symbols
of quantum theory.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Narratives are not the sceintific subject per se, but
only in their tight relationship with the advancement of our own individual
lives. Tales, comedies, tragedies, operas, novels, lullabies, media, today
propaganda ... are natural units with different calibers that are useful for
different life situations. In all cases the universal reference is the
advancement of the life course.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Very interesting sentences.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>But, without a definition of what is meant by
“natural units”, it is unclear to me what the logical content is.
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>For example, what are the "natural units”
of psychology? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>In other words, if I may ask, is the intent to assert
some sort of universal extension?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>If this conjecture is true, I would appreciate a hint
or two about the logical base of the extension. Are you seeking to imply
Tarski’s meta-languages?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Stories provide us with a unique mirror to the inner
dynamics of human nature. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Is this sentence ambiguous? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>The the term “mirror” merely a metaphor to
remove reality from the dynamics of the human?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Or, is it the same sort of “mirror” used
in Quantum theory to distinguish the asymmetry of optical isomers that are
essential for generating human dynamics?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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While I appreciate the attempts to create a useful descriptive language for
biological information theory, it seems to me that a foundation for scientific
information theory must be a quantitive theory with logical terms that
represent mathematical terms. The concept of informed numbers provide
such a basis. Elsewhere, I have used the term “organic mathematics”
to represent the relation logics of informed numbers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Jerry<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<pre cols=72><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Pedro C. Marijuán<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/">http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>------------------------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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