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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'>Dear Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'>If I am sitting or standing
awake in a room by myself, I am immersed (in-sea-d) in a sea of information,
internal and external. If I am too long by myself however, without doing
anything, I will become ‘bored’ (borne, passive); muscle and mental
tonus go down. Change arrives in two (or more) forms, also internal and
external. For example, I could decide to write a note, which is at first a potential
social communication of information (presence) to be actualized (still absence).
Alternatively, a cat or another person enters the room adding new general information
and social information defined as information<i><span style='font-style:italic'>
about</span></i> another living being I must deal with. What also arrives is
the potential of a new social communication (presence) assuming I am
socialized, that is, capable of internalizing (feeling the value of) the social
information brought by the new occupant of the room.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'>I would only add <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>pace </span></i>Szent Gyorgi: 1) to call the ocean of
information ‘seamless’, as if it were ‘material’, in
the two senses of the word, obscures its dynamic process aspects, as does 2) the
substance metaphor (‘extraordinary substance’). The substance
paradigm is a story, if you will, but it should not be used in the same way as non-stories
(science). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'>My plea is therefore for the use
of process language in discussing information. Potential–actual and presence-absence
language (Deacon), which is NOT metaphorical, seems appropriate. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'>Thank you and best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'>Joseph <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'> Fis [mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Pedro C. Marijuan<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> mercredi, 14 novembre 2018
20:54<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">fis@listas.unizar.es</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Fis] Social
Information/Communication Theory</span></font><font color=black><span
lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dear
FIS Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>As
the current discussion advances, I am strengthening the opinion that a Social
Information/Communication (SIC) Theory could be built... possibly! Indeed the
covered phenomena of social information & communication form part of our nature;
they are implicit everywhere in all stages of our life cycle, like water for
the fish. It is their absence what starkly calls our attention rather than
their continuous presence around. Szent Gyorgi made great sentences on water,
one of them: "Water, the Hub of Life. Water is its mater and matrix,
mother and medium. Water is the most extraordinary substance." Indeed so
essential is water for whatever aspect of cellular life... nice metaphor for
our seamless ocean of social communication via narratives/stories. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Remembering
the quotation I made from Booker days ago: "The scientific approach has
not realized that our urge to understand the world and to imagine stories is
something as much governed by laws as the structures of the atom or the
genome." The challenge I dare suggest for next weeks would be to compose a
series of of well-crafted points giving more formal shape to he Golden Paradigm
that articulates (good) stories... And if we remind the Principle of Conatus by
Spinoza, the persistence of life on its own maintenance and flourishing, the
proposed (futurible) SIC Theory would not be too far away from, let us say, the
"Cellular Information/Communication" Theory. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Too
bold for today?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Best
wishes to all--Pedro<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
El 14/11/2018 a las 5:44, Francesco Rizzo escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Cari Pedro, Xueshan, Joseph e Tutti, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>desidero dare un contributo teorico e pratico al
filone della ricerca intrapresa, senza alcuna presunzione.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>A. La logica nella realtà o la realtà nella logica
prende le mosse dall'economia dialettica hegeliana che ha <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>un ruolo costitutivo, rilevante e strutturale nella
SCIENZA DELLA LOGICA pubblicata dal filosofo dal 1812<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>al 1816.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Essa si articola in tre dottrine:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>* dell'ESSERE, cioè del pensiero nella sua
immediatezza, del concetto in quanto è IN SE';<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>* dell'ESSENZA, che studia il pensiero nella sua
riflessione o mediazione, cioè il concetto in quanto è PER SE'<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>e dunque appare;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>* del CONCETTO, che studia il concetto IN SE' e PER
SE'.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>La dottrine dell'ESSERE tratta delle categorie della
QUANTITA', QUALITA' e MISURA.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dottrina dell'ESSERE e dottrina dell'ESSENZA
costituiscono per Hegel un tutt'uno che egli chiama LOGICA<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> OGGETTIVA perché riferita alla REALTA' che
esiste indipendentemente del soggetto che la pensa, mentre la<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> terza parte, dottrina del CONCETTO, è definita
LOGICA SOGGETTIVA. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>La realtà esiste come oggetto-ESSERE e nel suo aspetto
più intimo e profondo come ESSENZA.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Per Hegel la categoria della QUANTITA' svolge il suo
ruolo come antitesi della QUALITA' che rappresenta la tesi, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>per giungere al risultato finale sintetico
rappresentato dalla MISURA.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>La QUANTITA' QUALITATIVA o MISURA è alla base
soprattutto delle scienze esperenziali, non astratte, che<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> si basano sulla logica concreta, empirica, reale
(Joseph). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>B. Tra queste scienze stanno anche la biologia e
l'economia che adottano e adattano la scienza della logica, non la<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>filosofia della logica. E in questo con-testo si situa
la semiotica-ermeneutica della triade significazione, informazione,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>comunicazione. La NARRAZIONE si avvale di questa terna
che non vale solo per le relazioni umane, ma in<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>un certo qual modo riguarda anche la comunicazione
cellulare e inter o epi-genetica (Pedro).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>C. Per quanto riguarda, "All Molecules,
Cells, and Brains can be consider as Inforwares and of course can<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>form Communication-dipoles to communicate. Information
research inside brain is a biology task, and <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>outside brain is a (Human/Social) Informatics
task" (Xueshan), affermo che come v'è</span></font><font size=1><span
style='font-size:8.0pt'> una comunicazione-trasmissione </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:8.0pt'>di segnali tra le macchine, a maggior ragione v'è una
comunicazione-interazione tra le cellule sane e/o</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face="Times New Roman ,serif"><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman \,serif"'>malate che
siano. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face="Times New Roman ,serif"><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman \,serif"'>Inoltre, già sin
dal 1983, nel rinnovare la definizione di bene culturale, ho dichiarato che
un'opera d'arte</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face="Times New Roman ,serif"><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman \,serif"'>è
contemporaneamente INFORMATA e INFORMATRICE perchè è nello stesso tempo
EFFETTO-FRUTTO</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face="Times New Roman ,serif"><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman \,serif"'>di un processo di
tras-in-form-azione e CAUSA di un altro processo di tras-in-form-azione.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face="Times New Roman ,serif"><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman \,serif"'>So che le mie
parole possono essere considerate aforistiche, apodistiche e oracolari, ma ho
creduto di </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face="Times New Roman ,serif"><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman \,serif"'>scriverle per
contribuire con imiltà a tracciare una strada comune, percorribile da Tutti, ma
sempre poliedrica.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face="Times New Roman ,serif"><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman \,serif"'>Grazie per
l'attenzione che mi regalerete.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face="Times New Roman ,serif"><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman \,serif"'>Francesco.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Il giorno lun 12 nov 2018 alle ore 07:28 <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Loet Leydesdorff</st1:PersonName> <<a
href="mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net" moz-do-not-send=true>loet@leydesdorff.net</a>>
ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dear Joseph, Mark, Pedro, and colleagues, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>1. Yes, I agree with Joseph: Daniel Dubois did a
wonderful job in Liege. I was deeply involved in it. See, for example, my
vice-presidential lecture:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;background:white'>Leydesdorff, L. (2008). The Communication
of Meaning in Anticipatory Systems: A Simulation Study of the Dynamics of
Intentionality in Social Interactions. In D. M. Dubois (Ed.), <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>Proceedings of the 8th Intern. Conf. on Computing
Anticipatory Systems CASYS'07</span></i></span></font><i><span
style='font-style:italic'> </span></i><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial;background:white'>(Vol. 1051 pp. 33-49). Melville, NY: American Institute
of Physics Conference Proceedings.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>But in the context of this list, please, note:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;background:white'>Leydesdorff, L., Johnson, M., &
Ivanova, I. A. (2014). The Communication of Expectations and Individual
Understanding: Redundancy as Reduction of Uncertainty, and the Processing of
Meaning. <i><span style='font-style:italic'>Kybernetes, 43</span></i></span></font><i><span
style='font-style:italic'> </span></i><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial;background:white'>(9/10), 1362-1371.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;background:white'>Leydesdorff, L., Johnson, M., &
Ivanova, I. (2018). Toward a Calculus of Redundancy: Signification,
Codification, and Anticipation in Cultural Evolution. <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>Journal of the Association for Information Science
and Technology, 69</span></i></span></font><i><span style='font-style:italic'> </span></i><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;background:white'>(10), 1181-1192.
doi: 10.1002/asi.24052</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;background:white'>2. A narrative assumes a geometrical
metaphor. Systems, however, are algorithmic. Thus, the geometrical model provides
us with a window on the evolving complexity. The model does terrible things to
the tangential systems (John Casti).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;background:white'>Best,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;background:white'>Loet</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>From: "Joseph Brenner" <<a
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>To: "fis" <<a
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Sent: 11/11/2018 9:17:44 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Subject: [Fis] FW: : Anticipatory Systems<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:navy'>Dear Pedro, Dear Mark,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'>Thank you for your references to Logic in Reality. Before
commenting on my work, I would like to note that no references in this thread
have been yet made to the extensive work on anticipation by Rosen of course,
and more recently by Daniel Dubois in Liège and Roberto Poli in Trento. Roberto
has been leading a major European initiative in the field of anticipatory
systems. Although he and I do not always agree, no serious study of
anticipation should ignore his work.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'>I am very glad to be able to state here that Stéphane
Lupasco, from whose logical system LIR was derived, gives a major place to
biological, cognitive phenomena, including consciousness, and social systems,
including his work on ethics. By good fortune, I have just been able to publish
the first paper in English on the Lupasco theory of consciousness (in a <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>Newsletter </span></i>of the American Philosophical
Association.) With this work fresh in mind, I am in a good position to suggest,
taking up Mark’s point, that it is LIR and <i><span style='font-style:
italic'>not</span></i> standard bivalent logic that expresses the dynamic
structure of consciousness and experience. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'>As it turns out, the first paper I published was entitled
“<i><span style='font-style:italic'>Process </span></i>in Reality”.
I have emphasized process in all subsequent work and not only criticized
“easy cases of self-organization” but the major errors that can be
made by assigning self-organization an exclusive role, without prior and
accompanying hetero-organization, that is, the necessary external or prior
input.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'>Coming back to Mark, I find very intriguing his thought that
logic may be a metasystem of itself. As background, I have claimed that Logic
in Reality is also a metalogic, in that it discusses how logic “is to be
done”, and further that its logical and metalogical characteristics are
not separated or separable. I further wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The metalogical properties of LIR are thus of an entirely
different kind, since it is based on a view of nature that does not consider
fundamental either to the abstract entities of pure classical propositional or
mathematical logic or the anthropomorphic ontological concepts of
phenomenology. The most fundamental metalogical principle of LIR is that of
opposition or antagonism, without which, in this view, nothing could exist (see
the next Section). This is, therefore, at the same time the most fundamental
metaphysical principle of LIR.</span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'>On this basis, I could say that <i><span style='font-style:
italic'>my</span></i> Logic in Reality as a system could be a metasystem of
itself, without conflation. But what is the general relation between a system
and a metasystem? I would welcome some further thoughts by Mark on this point
in terms of a definition of a metasystem that we can all discuss. But please
let me again distinguish between standard logic and LIR: it is the former that
is the epitome of coherence. LIR does not require absolute coherence as a
necessary property in a world that is <i><span style='font-style:italic'>both</span></i>
coherent and incoherent.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'>I will comment later on Xueshan’s concept of
Inforware. I guess I hesitated a bit when I read that reduction-analysis was a
key part of the strategy for development of information studies, but, Xueshan,
“let’s talk”. There is also a very delicate question of the
usage here of the English terms ‘inevitable’ and
‘inevitably’. It is not incorrect but in my mind just slightly
‘off’ in a negative sense. Perhaps an alternate term which someone
or my unconscious might suggest would be better. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'>Best wishes to all,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'>Joseph</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color=black face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Fis
[mailto:<a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send=true>fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</a>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mark Johnson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> dimanche, 11 novembre 2018
17:31<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> fis<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fis] : Anticipatory
Systems</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:6.5pt;font-family:Arial'>Dear
all,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:6.5pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:6.5pt;font-family:Arial'>Whilst
appreciating the opportunity to think about narrative (and the aspect of
narrative which interests me most is coherence) I have been worrying about less
positive ways in which stories can be powerful. Every nasty ideological regime
in history has a story to tell to defend itself. My mind was drawn to Popper's
"The Poverty of historicism". He's right isn't he?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:6.5pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:6.5pt;font-family:Arial'>This
is where I disagree with Pedro about logic and complexity. We tend to make
stories about things we don't understand - and complexity is one of those
things: a story is a metasystem of something. If we are free to choose our
metasystem, we are free to manipulate others. I am tempted to say logic is not
a narrative but it is revealed through narrative's structure. More importantly,
</span></font><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:6.5pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>logic </span></font><font size=1 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:6.5pt;font-family:Arial'>may be a metasystem of itself. That
implies that logic (and maybe LIR) is a fundamental expression of the structure
of consciousness through which everything else is experienced. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:6.5pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:6.5pt;font-family:Arial'>Is
this another story? If it is, then I might distinguish it from other possible
stories by the extent of its coherence (to me). Logic is the epitome of
coherence, isn't it?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On
Tue, 6 Nov 2018, 19:51 Pedro C. Marijuan <<a
href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send=true>pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dear
FIS Colleagues,<br>
<br>
Commenting first on Xueshan, agreeing with him in several remarks, but
disagreeing on why "firms" or even "societies" should be
denied the genuine communication capability? The communication, quite massive,
among the former generates conventional markets, stock markets, futures
markets, etc. Firms have "closure" in several senses (legal,
administrative, productive, personnel) and engage in cooperation, competition,
"predation" etc. Precisely it is one of the most curious
scenarios of emergence about problem-solving derived from social information:
most of our present world-economy. These days we read about the
Chinese-American "commercial war"; it is another instance where two
clearly identifiable partners send signals, communications, etc. about
each-other commercial behavior. Future world supremacy is at the stake... In my
opinion we can learn quite interesting things from each of these emerging
informational arenas.<br>
<br>
Joseph made interesting points. My personal trouble with LIR is that it has
been mostly thought concerning the logic of the physical, of the inanimate,
plus relatively easy instances of self-organization. In its present formulation
it says relatively little about the conditions of complexity in life, how
living entities must behave and cooperate to produce the emergence of new
instances of organized "closure". However I think that symmetry,
balance of opposites, symmetry breaking & restoration, where LIR views can
be engaged, are very meaningful concerning the massive organization of cellular
signaling--but who can advance that synthetic job? Herein the parallel with
synthesizing social narratives can be of some interest. It has been my main
concern along this discussion...<br>
<br>
I have not entered yet into synthesizing the contents of Booker's work (remember:
The Seven Basic Plots). It is quite difficult a job, and an extra impediment
for the task has been the kind suggestion by Malcolm (offline) to confront it
with James Bonnet (Stealing Fire from the Gods, 2006). So, it will take an
extra time. In any case, if the life cycle, or life course, or life arch, as
lived in a series of (socially interesting) circumstances is the fundamental
content of all stories, of all narratives, that means that we are handling an
inner schema (a composite of many other lower level schemes) of how life
stories have to flow, and we pay singular attention to violations of
expectations (Loet's?), within a curious economy of information, redundancy,
etc. "Where is the story?" we ask when someone is boring us with a
trite narrative. This violation of expectations may connect with humor and with
"the news"... but the story would get too confusing now. <br>
<br>
Best wishes<br>
--Pedro <br>
<br>
El 05/11/2018 a las 6:42, Xueshan Yan escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
line-height:17.0pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dear Colleagues,</span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Let</span></font><font
face=DengXian><span style='font-family:DengXian'>’</span></font><span
lang=EN-US>s return to the core theme of narrative/story of this session--a
very valuable direction in information studies. Here I would like provide some
historical achievements which were developed by other related disciplines and
give some comments related to Pedro</span><font face=DengXian><span
style='font-family:DengXian'>’</span></font><span lang=EN-US>s early
consideration. If no evident specifications, the default effectiveness only be
limited to human atmosphere.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt'><b><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:
bold'>1. Surface Structure of Information: Word, Sentence, Discourse</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>According to
the linguistic research in the past decades, the surface structure of
information can be divided into three levels: word, sentence, and discourse
(also called text). Some people think that clause and paragraph should be added
to them, but they are not generally recognized because they have not put
forward effective results. For a long time, word and sentence research has
achieved almost perfect theoretical results, while discourse research is still
under exploration. The most famous work about discourse research formed by Teun
A. van Dijk of the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Netherlands</st1:place></st1:country-region>,
whose theory of News Schemata which he put forward in 1986 reached the peak in
this aspect. Since then, the whole discourse theory has never got important
achievement until today. Word, Sentence, and Discourse are the surface
structure of information (meaning) existing as physical sign form.</span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt'><b><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:
bold'>2. Narrative: A Special Discourse</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Narration is a
kind of describing behavior of information, and its result is narrative.
Narrative is a special discourse, which focuses on the description of one or
more events or others. It is mainly applied in the humanities, especially in
literature and history. Natural science and engineering science generally do
not use this concept. The soul of a narrative is that it must have story. A
story is a narrative that was constituted of one or more figures' thoughts,
words, and actions as the main line. The record of one's daily life could be
narrative and there is not always story in it. The yearbook records everything
but there is not necessarily a story there. Story is the basic premise of
novel, ballad, lullaby, opera, song, music, painting, etc. The most typical
study of story is carried out by folklorists, psychologists, and linguists,
such as Smith Thompson, Jean Mandler, David Rumelhart and others, they have put
forward the theory of motif, plot, and story grammar in 1970s, but their
research is still difficult now. Behind Discourse, Narrative, and Story, there
are complex and interesting information issues.</span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt'><b><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:
bold'>3. Stratification and Reduction: An Inevitable Way to Develop Information
Studies</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>In a 2002
post, Pedro summed up an interesting idea: Cell-Brain-Firm, it also be
expressed as Cell-Brain-Society sometime. It implied information stratification
existentialities and could make people separate information research on cell
from information research on society. However, this idea has received little
attention from our FIS/UTI circle afterwards. In my opinion, the problem
perhaps is that the consideration is defective at logical level. I have coined
two concepts in my research, one is "Inforware" and the other is "Communication-dipole"
which can explain this problem. An Inforware is a physical object consisting of
Information, Sign, and Substrate. A pair of Inforwares that can communicates
each other is called a Communication-dipole. An Inforware can holds
information, and a Communication-dipole can transmits information.</span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Analyzing
Pedro's idea, both of cell and brain are organism, they can be consider as
Inforwares and of course can form Communication-dipole to communicate each
other, but a society cannot be consider as Inforware and we cannot find an
opponent to communicate with unless we consider it as an Inforware and can
communicate with other society as a whole, such as a panda society or a rice
society. So, if Pedro agrees, I would like to revise the Cell-Brain-Firm idea
to Molecule-Cell-Brain idea (of course, should plus elementary particle and
mechanical product in somewhere of it.). All Molecules, Cells, and Brains can
be consider as Inforwares and of course can form Communication-dipoles to
communicate. Information research inside brain is a biology task, and outside
brain is a (Human/Social) Informatics task. Stratification and Reduction
analysis is the way to develop information studies inevitably in the future.</span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>(The above
discussions have been described in detail in my book <i><span style='font-style:
italic'>Information Science: Concept, System and Perspective</span></i>,
(2016)).</span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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line-height:17.0pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Best wishes to all,</span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
line-height:17.0pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Xueshan</span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> <a
href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send=true>fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</a> <a
href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send=true><fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es></a> <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Joseph Brenner<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, November 1, 2018
4:53 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send=true>fis@listas.unizar.es</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Fis] FW: Anticipatory
Systems. Vicious Coherence</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'>Dear Pedro and All,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'>Despite the promising start, I think we are indeed missing a
central element and more importantly its function, which may not be to bring
coherence as such but a proper view of the co-existence and co-operation of
coherence and incoherence/decoherence, consistency and inconsistency,
coincidence and decoincidence, certitude and incertitude. In a world/context
where we are confronted daily with the vicious coherence of a quasi-fascist
system, not taking it into account would make the FIS discussion worse than
incorrect; it would make it irrelevant.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'>The tools to formally capture at least the part of living
cyclical processes that can be so ‘captured’ (binary concept,
again) may look quite differently from those we are used to. I have suggested
that the dances and rhythms – to use Pedro’s excellent image
– can be not modelled but described by reference to a contradictorial
dynamics of motion from actuality to potentiality and back plus a basis for
emergence. As simply as I can put them, here are some further things I believe
need to be addressed as a consequence:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:53.4pt'><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>1.</span></font><font size=1
color=navy><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'>
</span></font><font color=navy><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>Simple
references to cycles and cyclicity, ignoring the sinusoidal development of
natural phenomena, which suggest a return to an identical point on the curve,
should be avoided.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:53.4pt'><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>2.</span></font><font size=1
color=navy><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'>
</span></font><font color=navy><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>It should be
obvious to Karl and others that an alternative to “classical Wittgenstein
logic” exists, namely Logic in Reality, but its explanatory capacity has
simply been ignored. Why? My discussion of a logic for macroscopic processes
can be found in a recent Physics <i><span style='font-style:italic'>arXiv </span></i>article.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:53.4pt'><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>3.</span></font><font size=1
color=navy><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'>
</span></font><font color=navy><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>Pedro’s
point about ‘multi-time’ has also been addressed in my logical
system, basically, by suggesting a more interactive relation between time and
space than is possible in classical mechanics. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:53.4pt'><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>4.</span></font><font size=1
color=navy><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'>
</span></font><font color=navy><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>Karl, your
formulation, in my humble opinion, includes another error if my point of view
is at least accepted for discussion: you have intuition and instinct on one
side, and ‘science’ and certitude on the other. The statement of
the problem in dichotomous terms is part of the problem.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:53.4pt'><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>5.</span></font><font size=1
color=navy><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'>
</span></font><font color=navy><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>Unless the
cases are constructed and limited, attempting to foretell the future is a
Promethean objective which will bring its own punishment.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:navy'>I look forward, still, to some minimum exchange on the
above. Cheers,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Pedro C. Marijuán<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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href="http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/">http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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