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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Karl and List,<br>
<br>
Sorry that I could not answer earlier (accumulation of other
writing duties). I was flabbergasted by your Allegory. Chapeau!
Apart from the high style and the charm and the elegant Martianus
Capella background, it is a wise move presenting your "algebra" as
cyclicity interactions. Good luck in this new explanatory
direction! I think it can contribute to enlighten the "stories"
intrinsic rhythmicity. <br>
<br>
Not being blessed by the Muses I must confine myself to the
prosaic commentary... That Nature operates something does not mean
that our disciplines can explain it coherently across
logico-formal paths. How many procedimental simplifications are
needed to traverse from quantum dynamics to, say, the atomic bond
or the molecular structure? But I do not criticize those breaches,
conversely they are a tribute to scientific ingenuity. And now
traversing to the human information (or even to biological
information) ... is it feasible without acknowledging the
horrendous existing gaps? Even more, aren't we missing a central
element that brings coherence to the overall dances and rhythms
around biological/neuronal information? I mean, the life cycle.<br>
<br>
Let us remind Gibson's ecological perception theory. When we
confront an environment we do not perceive it piece-meal, at least
in the important motifs. We do not feel the ineffable tiger's
sensory impressions as disconnected, but forming a well integrated
whole that motivates an adaptive response--either freezing, or
flying, or heroically fighting. The tiger, or better the rabbit,
is an ecosystem's "affordance" that is important for our life,
either to eat or to not be eaten. So, we demand perceptual/motor
coherence, but with respect to what? Of course: to the maintenance
of our life. I mean, the life cycle. <br>
<br>
Going back to stories, we may take them as genuine encapsulations
(a better word of choice?) of the social "affordances" we are
naturally immersed by living within our societies. It is our
ecosystem, and we may see many different affordances, and we may
craft many stories to interconnect them, to "mirror" them. Again,
there should be a coherence: around what? Around our life cycle
and the lives of our audience. The structure is far more complex
now, but who said that solving the neuronal "binding problem"
around our percepts was simple?<br>
<br>
Many thanks to Mark (coherently!!). Also I would like to be able
to respond to other demands from Jerry, but here is my
counter-demand: could you adventure tools to formally capture such
a multi-time, multi-rhythm being as a life-cycle in progress?<br>
<br>
Best wishes to all,<br>
--Pedro <br>
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El 29/10/2018 a las 16:32, Karl Javorszky escribió:<br>
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lang="DE-AT">Anticipation<span></span></span></u></p>
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lang="DE-AT"><span> </span></span></p>
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lang="DE-AT">Learned
Friends,<span></span></span></p>
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lang="DE-AT"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We
deal with the observation, that biologic organisms
anticipate what will happen next. Some concentrate on the
narrative of the
anticipation, some on the phenomena that are anticipated. As a
human faculty,
anticipation can range from intuition, guess, instinct, to
prediction and
certitude. Science has more or less dealt with certitude (b
follows from a) and
has understood prediction (if a then p(b) ~ x). Now we work
our way towards
understanding instinctive prediction.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
utility and efficacy of the narrative version of
anticipation varies also greatly: we have the wish formulae,
where faith and
belief causes anticipating an effect (if I say “please” they
will give that to
me), magical incantations with powerful words, inputting
arguments of an
algorithm in the hope of receiving a result, and the classical
case of the
words of the narrative being one and inseparable from the
facts that are the
case (the DNA is a narrative of what will happen, and its
predictions are in
the closest possible way related to the facts of the matter
the narrative talks
about). (Interactive online reporting, where the narration is
a part of the
process.)<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We
do have some difficulties with a running narration,
because such a thing as telling the future has no place in
classical,
Wittgenstein logic and the corresponding narrative about the
proceedings. That,
what will come into existence is presently not the case.
Whichever way we turn
it, we are not supposed to talk about things that are not the
case. <span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Foretelling
the future (anticipating correctly) is a task that
humans can despair of. This problem being with us since the
beginning of time,
it has been addressed by many generations using diverse
lexica. Bruno’s
suggestion that we have no shy using words and concepts of
theology is a wise
one: Our forefathers expressed themselves in allegories
involving divine
figures. This has given me courage to present to you an
Allegory on the
Seduction of Arithmetica by Amor, with a bow to Martianus
Capella. May your
serene judgement of this non-polished draft be softened by
magnanimous mercy extended
against a beginner.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Seduction
of Arithmetica by Amor (20181028)<span></span></p>
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