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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear Colleagues,<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">there are so many points to deal with, that an enumeration
is not only a pleasure but also a must.<span></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm" start="0" type="1"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Administrative<span></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Pedro would be writing also in my name, if he addresses a
letter to the presently unsubscribed, who had made at least 1 contribution in
the last 3 years, saying “blah blah European Union blah blah … we cordially
invite you to rejoin …” with a link. The cut went definitely too deep, as it
appears that the person Pedro mentioned as organising the next FIS conference, himself
is not on the subscriber list.<span></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm" start="1" type="1"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Narrative ~
reception/impact study/marketing<span></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">As far as I understand the invitation by Pedro to discuss
how – in which narrative – the search for a functional definition of
information is conducted, this is equivalent to what used to be called
previously “reception studies”. Here, the group does not discuss the libretto
or the composition of an opera, but how the audience and the critics reacted to
the performance. This is by all means a legitimate subject (ask any bourgeois
Viennese about the high dramas around professional claqueurs being engaged for
premieres, critics being bribed, and so forth) and worth a study. Specifically
is this a valuable subject to dwell upon, in case one has no idea neither about
libretti nor about composing stage music. Camouflaging a disinterest or
ignorance on a subject is best done by discussing how enthusiastically the
audience boo-ed or jubilated, how the critics were profound or arbitrary,
unanimous or deeply divided in their support or condemnation of the performers
and the circumstances of the performance, and how the reaction of the general
public is woefully lacking in insight or how enthusiastic in the well-deserved
praise. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The shift in focus to the sociology of the performance away
from the subject-matter is a technique applicable generally, be it in the
fields of opera premieres, new lines of fashion or electric bicycles. By
observing the behaviour of influencers, actually bribing the influencers
(claqueurs), it is possible to push narratives away from or into success. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This aspect has nothing to do with any subject matter of a
debate or a collaborative effort to hammer out such a definition of information
which is pleasing to most of us. Normally, the observers/influencers of a
performance remain hidden: it would be contra-productive, if the corps des
claqueurs came up the stage to bow with the performers, even worse if the Great
Machinator, the incarnation from the deep culture, who actually influences
which performances become a success and which ones will be termed a failure, if
this well-connected but normally invisible grey eminence came up together with
the conductor to receive the admiration for a well-organised artistic
experience. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We have now to decide, whether we discuss how incomparably heroically
we conduct the quest for a concept of information, or rather we discuss methods
and successes or dead-ends in approaching, objectifying and codifying what is
information. Organising the claqueurs – or writing in a scientific fashion
about organising a positive reception of a new opera - is different to finding
a libretto of a drama which is seductive to the population and writing an
elegant and pleasant, rememberable music for the libretto.<span></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm" start="2" type="1"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Competition and rewards
expected<span></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Krassimir has pointed out that it is deeply human to try to achieve
acknowledgement, praise and rewards. His implication, roughly, as I understand
him is: do not even try, cease and desist, you have no chance, because, among
others, I am also in this game, along with many other researchers of high fame
and renown.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">After 39.5 years of working with neurotics, hysterics and
slightly mad people, one has learnt that the partner is the important person in
the dialogue. He is fascinating, tragic, incomparable, extraordinary: the role
of the hair-dresser, visagist or psychologist is to remain detached, neutral,
noncommitted and generally uninteresting, a part of the coulisse. One has
already learnt the addictive seduction of effects of hormones being discharged
while in specific social positions, relating to being understood or having one’s
ways or being praised, generally being in the centre of attention. There are
many ways to generate endorphins, and being an extraordinary social success is
but one of them.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">And then again, in the city marathons there are many thousands
of athletes, and many hundreds may reasonably entertain hope that in case of an
optimal combination of positive factors, they may actually end up crossing the
line 42 km farther away as among the first or maybe even the first. One may
know that one has trained well and long enough, and one may be confident that
the result is not determined by narratives or claqueurs, but on the merits of
the subject matter of optimally using the biochemistry while coordinating movements.<span></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm" start="3" type="1"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Subject matter<span></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Information has been encircled to belonging in the realm of
that what is not the case. The scope of information is the collection of the
remaining alternatives. In one reading, information is the pointing out of one
of the alternatives. It is important to know that the alternatives are each and
all not the case. They could be, but presently they are not.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">How do we find an abundance of interdependences which
contain things that are the case and a collection of alternatives that are not
the case but could be the case? This is not an easy task with the tool we
currently use, because in the present understanding of the counting system, its
elements have no a-priori communality in a property that makes some elements of
the subset to be the case while the others are not the case but could be the
case. This is Act I.: Present the Intolerable Situation<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">May we take the counting system, shake it, turn it sideways
and tear out everything that is not a natural number? The horrific barbarism is
a hit on the stage, as what remains of the counting system is as archaic as the
pre-Sumer, with wild animalistic phantasies of returning to the very roots. Act
II: the prospect of a novelty and its many enemies<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The remaining elements are stripped of their intellectual
voodoo and are again de-abstracted into beads, pebbles, rocks, cows, women. One
does not de-individuate the objects in order to gain uniformity and abstractive
powers. One re-individuates the objects and sorts and orders them. Act III:
Pastorale, everything seems to be all right<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Great conflicts, enmities, vendetta. There are some who say
that it is the colour of the things that is the main ordering criterium, while
others insist that it is their edibility, for some others it is their exchange
value on the market. The things have no stable linear position! They have a few
reasonable alternatives, e.g. colour, nutrition or commercial value, but not
every order concept can be realised at all times. The members of the tribe are
divided and declare that war will triumph over love: it is not enough that
there are long periods during which elements can share non-contradicting
positions, there almost inevitably comes the moment, where a decision has to be
made either about the properties of the thing or the place it occupies. The protagonists
picture by dancing, how many segments of the linear arrangements are in
concordance and arriving at which spots a conflict is unavoidable. Act IV:
Katharsis<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The wise women of pre-Sumeria appear with a proposal which allows
a co-existence between peaceful prosperity and forceful assertion. Make an
Arena of Compromises, where each element is under way from his place assigned
by Chieftain X towards his place as assigned by Chieftain Y. This creates an
intricate web of paths, allowing for sub-topoi in which everything is as
predictable as classical physics, chemistry, biochemistry and genetics, as the
participants criss-cross the arena in a cyclic, periodic, rhythmic fashion. Genetics
is that garden within the arena, in which the cogs fit, the places, times, elements
and orders match. The choir praises the divine order that allows acts of fornication
and reproduction by using the syntax governing the position in a sequence and
the implicated properties of a multidimensional assembly, in optimal
circumstances, if everything goes well (then, it is one-of-four material on
one-of-three places). We do not sing about destruction, explosion,
dematerialisation: these may appear as shadows far away. Act V: Finale.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm" start="4" type="1"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Invitation<span></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This libretto is good, because it narrates a story of
discovery, insight, understanding and happiness. It is based on rules of
{<,=,>} on natural numbers {1,2,…,15,16} which lends it somewhat of a
credibility. If this is not a story based on true facts, then no story is. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The composer shall set the ideas into a language the public
understands. This will at first inevitably be the language of mathematics. They
have a rich collection of instruments and know how to introduce a theme. They
can give a voice to the pantomime the pre-Sumerians conduct. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It would be nice, if talented persons had a thought about
bringing the libretto on stage. The audience is waiting eagerly for an
explanation, how genetics works, and science and industry will not sit idly by,
while some competitors develop the biologic variety of arithmetic. This is a
project the EU would salivate on. Thanks to the competence of many colleagues
here, a favourable narrative and a positive reception are hopes that one may
entertain.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>Friendly greetings</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>Karl<br></span></p>
</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Am Mi., 10. Okt. 2018 um 16:11 Uhr schrieb Bruno Marchal <<a href="mailto:marchal@ulb.ac.be">marchal@ulb.ac.be</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Dear Krassimir, dear colleagues,<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I did not realise that some people have been eliminated from the list? Was not that some error?</div><div>I am OK with the idea of getting back the old list. </div><div><br></div><div>Yes, the elusive concept of information, but most “in” are elusive, like the infinite and the infinities, the indicible, informal, intuitive, etc. The elusive “in” often close to negation.</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe to understand information, we should try to understood better was could be a general notion of formation, and then define information negatively from that: whatever formation is given, it is not information.</div><div><br></div><div>Personally, I do not belief in science, but I believe in the scientific attitude, which is modesty, never claiming the truth, and always proposing theories and interpretations of theories, whatever the domain is. My domain is the “theology" of the universal Turing machine, where the “theology" is defined by what is true about the machine, and its (variates, imposed by incompleteness) self-referential modes, the “science" of the machine is all what the machine can justify. </div><div>Incompleteness entails a gap between truth and justifiability, and machine can discover that gap, and become mystical in some sense. It is a testable theory, as it contains physics, which can be compared with the observation. It fits, as the quantum aspect of nature is recovered by the fact that no universal machine can know the infinitely many computations which support them, and the laws of physics arise by a sort of consciousness or first person selection statistic on those computations.</div><div><br></div><div>Only bad faith wants to separate science from religion.</div><div><br></div><div>I see religion/meaning/truth as the only goal.</div><div>I see science/theories/observation as the only mean.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Bruno</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 7 Oct 2018, at 18:22, Krassimir Markov <<a href="mailto:markov@foibg.com" target="_blank">markov@foibg.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-3582043207200092859Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline">Dear
Pedro and FIS Colleagues,</div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"> </div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline">Warm
greetings for the new season of FIS discussions!</div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"> </div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline">The
strict restrictions are not good as we have seen in FIS list!</div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline">Now,
there are many cases where the EU Directive is seen to be not adequate to real
situations.</div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline">For
instance the supermarket’s cards – renewing is not acceptable by the customers
who already receive discount cards and deactivating old cards is not in the
interest of the supermarket’s stakeholders.</div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline">So
...</div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline">The
possibility to unsubscribe is enough and it was not needed to reduce the FIS
list.</div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline">I
propose to return old list of addresses – many colleagues did not understand
what really they need to do and we removed many of them without any real
need.</div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline">In
addition, the FIS list is a scientific but not a SPAM, not an industrial
advertising structure and EU Directive had to be implemented cleverly.
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"> </div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline">Now
about the nice sentence of Karl: <font face="Times New Roman"><strong>“the
elusive concept of information”.</strong></font></div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman">Many years and many scientists try to discover what is
information, </font> <font face="Times New Roman">but still there is not
common understanding.</font></div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman">Because of many reasons.</font></div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman">First, every current definition discover only a part of
the whole.</font></div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman">Second, every scientist wants to be the inventor and to
be the first who give the entire definition and to write The General Information
Theory. Me too :-) !</font></div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman">Third, and maybe the most important!, is the
contradiction of scientific and non scientific paradigms which cause
impossibility to find common understanding.</font></div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman">In this direction, the worst influence is done by the
paradigm for external for the brain intelligence.</font></div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman">It doesn’t matter what kind of it is assumed – machine,
information-space-time continuum, or any other.</font></div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman">At the end, still there are many scientists who really do
not want to have clear understanding of concept information – in such case every
paper written in scientific manner is good to be published nevertheless what is
its content.</font></div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman">Because of this, I see the need to establish at least to
separate lists – for those who believe in external intelligence and for those
who really want to understand what is information and why the other believe that
external intelligence exists.</font></div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman">If somebody believe that external intelligence does not
exist, his place is in the first list - of believers.</font></div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman">Especially for me, I stopped answering to such posts
because I esteem the human rights and don’t want to contradict without any real
result.</font></div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman">Friendly greetings and successful FIS
work!</font></div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman">Krassimir</font></div></div>
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