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<p>Thanks for restarting the list, Pedro.</p>
<p>>Now the 9th principle says: "Narratives emerge as
encapsulated forms of human communication, underlying the <br>
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<p>>intricacies of social relationships, of economic
organization, and the very structures of political power."</p>
<p>I have a lot of sympathy with your emphasis on the importance of
narrative. But I have had a problem nagging me for some years. The
question is, in gestalt terms, "If the narrative is the figure,
then what is the ground?". It seems to me that all human
communication is composed of narrative, so we have patterns within
narrative, rather than the encapsulation by narrative of something
other than itself.</p>
<p>This cuts rather deeper when we consider that our minds/brains
have strictly zero access to the past. We live exclusively in the
present. The illusion of a past that stretches back is generated
by the creation of a narrative that we formulate for ourselves. It
is a 'story' that explains why one thing should be conceived of as
coming before another, or leading to something. The narrative
might concern why I am angry, or why my back is hurting, or how
this sentence started. In all cases, the narrative is one more
mental structure existing in the present, and offering a rationale
or explanation for the current state of a wider mental structure.
You could describe this as 'encapsulation', but I feel that
misrepresents what must be a vast network of intersecting mental
structures.<br>
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<p>It's 'Narratives all the way down'</p>
<p>(By the way, I just checked Wikipedia for "Turtles all the way
down", and they have a reference for tortoises from 1854.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down</a>)</p>
<p>Dai<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/10/18 21:28, Pedro C. Marijuan
wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear FISers,<br>
<br>
Many thanks for the warm, friendly responses. It was a pity, but
I could do nothing to preserve all the old subscribers, as there
was no way to produce a whole list of subscribers (the list
software only produced a separate listing for each initial
letter, but very dirty full of strange codes); unfortunately
there is no way to recuperate them. What we can do instead is
that each one may compile a few addresses of interesting parties
who can be invited, and then I can send them an automatic
invitation very easily (in group). Afterwords each one has to
confirm. Otherwise in this link [ <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</a>
] anyone can subscribe by him/herself. Any ideas for the
regrowth will be very welcome both online and offline. Who
knows... perhaps this is an opportunity to regrow within a more
scholarly basis. <br>
<br>
Continuing with narratives, two Nobel Prize in economics, George
Akerlof and Robert Shiller have been consistently writing on the
role of "stories" (narratives) as the necessary complement of
the rational agent theories. The whispers from the "monkeys on
our shoulders" [sic] very often become louder and more
commanding than the rational discourse. in several disciplines,
there is a reflection to make on narratives as the natural form
of social communication. I have reworded the 10 principles of
information (to appear in Gordana & Burgin's compilation
from the 2017 IS4SI Meeting). Now the 9th principle says: "<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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communication, underlying the intricacies of social
relationships, of economic organization, and the very structures
of political power." The central question: How do narratives
relate to the advancement of our own life cycles? It is here
that Booker, as I mentioned the last day, gives a Jungian
response, quite articulated, but probably insufficient. The
conjunction of social psychology (eg, Kahneman) and evolutionary
psychology (Henrich, Laland) could provide a great translation
of that highly significant point of view. Enter now the late
book of Damasio (2018), pronouncing a rotund response: "we are
cellular", and subsequently we cannot help but reformulating the
very principles of the "cellular way of life" in all the new
evolved instances of collective life. That means that finally we
are approaching the cellular life cycle and its systematic
signaling "stories" in the relationship with the environment.
The living cell is the foundational information "unit". The
source of meaning.<br>
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if the above series of explanatory pathways are well
concatenated, say via a global research project, the core of
information science would be finally articulated. Information
physics, Shannon's info etc. are relatively well in their own
tracks. It is the rest of the field that has not yielded to a
consistent unifying "story" yet. By the way, Akerlof's 2001
Nobel was for "asymmetric information".<br>
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All the best!<br>
--Pedro<br>
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PS. Some people here may have institutional leverage. Why we do
not think on applying for a research project humanities/natural
science?
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El 07/10/2018 a las 19:45, Moisés André Nisenbaum escribió:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Wonderful to hear you FISers again :-)</div>
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<div dir="auto">I agree that it is an excellent and
interesting theme.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Thank you Pedro!</div>
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<div dir="auto">Kind regards.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Abraços a todos!</div>
<div dir="auto">Moisés</div>
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André Nisenbaum <br>
Enviado do celular.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Em sex, 5 de out de 2018 14:26, Pedro C.
Marijuan <<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>>
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<p>Dear FIS Colleagues,</p>
<p>Around the beginnings of the new course, the
University of Zaragoza released the FIS list, after
the authentication process mandated by an European
Directive on Data Protection. The outcome has been
rather tough, from around 350 we have been decimated
to just 62. Provided that the most active participants
have renewed, we wouldn't see much changes, although
not very probably. The pity now is the diminished
broadcast of the discussions, for many of the passive
recipients were more or less listening (and the
warning message in Spanish didn't help at all for
their awareness of the renewal process).<br>
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<p>In any case, life goes on. There is a ISIS and FIS
Conference next year (in the US, chaired by Terry
Deacon). In the future list discussions we should keep
this in mind and progressively put the focus on it.
The present "slimming cure" of the list might also be
a good occasion to reflect on its trajectory and aims.
Are we fulfilling the foundational goals? Not so much
yet... Well, from my part, I have a novel theme that I
consider of interest to this basic discussion. Several
readings of mine during this year have neatly
converged on the power of "narratives" in our human
communication. From economics, to political science,
to communication studies, to Media both traditional
and new, and essentially in literature and oral
traditions... In particular the approach by
Christopher Booker (2004, 2017) makes clear the
centrality of storytelling in our whole lives. He is a
controversial figure, but this book ("The Seven Basic
Plots: Why We Tell Stories") is a master work. My only
personal caveat is the Jungian framework the author
utilizes--is it necessary? I do not think so.
Translating his ideas to common multidisciplinary
language, pertaining both to natural science and
humanities, would make for a great discussion. Right
in the center. My feeling is that he has achieved for
human communication what I have tried during recent
years for cellular communication.<br>
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<p>And that's all! Little by little am getting used to
my new life "far from the madding crowd" of local
Faculty.</p>
<p>Friendly regards to all,</p>
<p>--Pedro<br>
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Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
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