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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><FONT
size=4>Dear Jerry,</FONT></P>
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size=4></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><FONT
size=4>Your “and so forth” and my “and etc.” have equal meaning, i.e. I did not
omit anything and have pointed that there are many others. <BR>For the same
purpose I shall use three dots: “...” </FONT><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.6pt">below. </FONT></P>
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size=4></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><FONT
size=4>Well, of course, we may build many questions using, for instance, the
construction like given below:</FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><FONT
size=4><STRONG>Is<BR><BR>{anti-, auto-,de-,dis-,down-,extra-,hyper-,il-, im-,
in-,
ir-,inter-,mega-,mid-,mis-,non-,over-,out-,post-,pre-,pro-,re-,semi-,sub-,super-,tele-,trans-,ultra-,un-,under-,up-,
...}<BR><BR>-form-ation <BR><BR>{physical, chemical, mechanical, biological,
psychological, social, ...} ?</STRONG></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><FONT
size=4><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><FONT
size=4>The answer to all these questions is “<STRONG>YES</STRONG>!”</FONT></P>
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size=4></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><FONT
size=4>What is important is that the information is “<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Real</B>” or “<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Mental</B>” depending of Infos and its
point of view. </FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><FONT
size=4>It is clear, that “Mental” is a kind of “Real”.</FONT></P>
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size=4></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><FONT
size=4>This means that:</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><FONT
size=4><STRONG>The Information is “Real” but it exists only in the Infos
consciousness!</STRONG></FONT></P>
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size=4></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><FONT
size=4>Only what we have to do is to say explicitly what it is. </FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><FONT
size=4>Unfortunately, it could not be done in the frames of specialized
information theories such as those of Shannon, Semiotics, Linguistics,
Artificial Intelligence, and etc.</FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><FONT
size=4>Friendly greetings</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14pt"><FONT
size=4>Krassimir</FONT></P>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=jerry_lr_chandler@icloud.com
href="mailto:jerry_lr_chandler@icloud.com">Jerry LR Chandler</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 30, 2018 3:21 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=fis@listas.unizar.es
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=markov@foibg.com
href="mailto:markov@foibg.com">Krassimir Markov</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fis] “The information is “Real” or “Mental” depending
of point of view!”.</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:22 AM, Krassimir Markov <<A
href="mailto:markov@foibg.com">markov@foibg.com</A>> wrote:</DIV>
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size=4>The question “Is information physical?” is very important as well as so
important are the questions “Is information chemical?”, “Is information
mechanical?”, “Is information electronic?”, and etc. .</FONT></P>
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size=4>All questions above may be summarized to “Is information real?” and, of
course, the question “Is information mental?” immediately rises!<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=4>My answer to all these question is
“YES!”.</FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>I am sort of at lost as to the
meanings of these assertions. In particular, I note that the semiotics of
various disciplines is intermingled with the several different scientific
syntaxes, semantics and grammars (that is of physics, chemistry, mechanics
and electronics as well as the omission of biology.)
<DIV>One way of examining meaning of these queries is to substitute
“parallel terms” into the antecedent logical structure and compare the
consequences for the meaning of the questions.</DIV>
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<DIV>Consider the following parallel questions where other “form” terms are
substituted for the term in-form-ation :</DIV>
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<DIV>Is re-form-ation physical?</DIV>
<DIV>Is de-form-ation physical?</DIV>
<DIV>Is con-form-ation physical?</DIV>
<DIV>Is trans-form-ation physical?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Similarly,</DIV>
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<DIV>Is re-form-ation chemical?</DIV>
<DIV>Is de-form-ation chemical?</DIV>
<DIV>Is con-form-ation chemical?</DIV>
<DIV>Is trans-form-ation chemical?</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And, I add the discipline of biology to the list:</DIV>
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<DIV>Is re-form-ation biological?</DIV>
<DIV>Is de-form-ation biological?</DIV>
<DIV>Is con-form-ation biological?</DIV>
<DIV>Is trans-form-ation biological?</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>and so forth. </DIV>
<DIV>Are the answers to these questions also YES? Or, are some answers NO?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Are these questions related to Tarsi’s meta-languages? (See,
Malatesta, The Primary Logics)</DIV>
<DIV>Are these questions related to Lesniewski’s part-whole logic
(merology)?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My answers to these two questions is YES.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Can this these questions lead to a mentation that generates a sharper
inquiry into the meanings of “forms”?</DIV>
<DIV>In particular, how does in-formation differ from other changes of
form?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>One potential differentiation is the <B>nature of communication</B>
according to Shannon who designed an <B>electronic system for
communication?</B> His system of meaning for information <B>necessarily
requires</B> a sender and a receiver.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In contrast to the necessary <B>change of form</B> required by the logic of
the terms reformation, deformation, conformation and transformation, </DIV>
<DIV>Shannon / electronic information requires that <B>no change of form</B>
occurs during transmission. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Indeed, a change in form in a message during transmission is called an
error (and this difference plays a huge role in Shannon’s theory of
communication.)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The open question in my mind is:</DIV>
<DIV>Do these questions relate human communication?</DIV>
<DIV>Or, are these questions artifacts of the interpretations of
mathematical syntaxes?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Or viewed from a different semiotic perspective, can we have a scientific
theory of the Foundations without incorporating the role of the encoding in
creating the Shannon transmissible message?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>How important is this question for the Foundation of Information Sciences
(plural)?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cheers</DIV>
<DIV>Jerry</DIV>
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