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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Loet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I know that we have very divergent understandings of biosemiotics. The biosemiotic understanding of living systems is
not based on a mechanistic either monistic or dualistic ontology but on a semiotic process philosophy based on an non-dual emptiness ontology that has some similarities to Bertallanffy’s General systems theory’s organicism or Aristotle’s hylozoism. I have
tried to explain these differences in ontology in the papers from JPBMB below. I have summed up the cybersemiotic view as it looked some years ago here
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">New articles in
<i>Progress in Biophysics and Molecular Biology</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">How Peircean semiotic philosophy connects Western science with Eastern emptiness ontology</span></i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Peircean cosmogony's symbolic agapistic self-organization as an example of the influence of eastern philosophy on western thinking</span></i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1WF7KI6VGXceX" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#007398">https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1WF7KI6VGXceX</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D;background:#FFD966"><a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/00796107/131" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563C1">2017
JPBMB Focused Issue on Integral Biomathics: The Necessary Conjunction of Western and Eastern Thought Traditions for Exploring the Nature of Mind and Life</span></a> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;background:#FFD966"> *</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;background:#FFD966">* free promotional access to all focused issue articles until June 20th 2018 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Brier, S. (2017). C.S. Peirce’s Phenomenological, Evolutionary and Trans-disciplinary
Semiotic Conception of Science and Religion<i>. Research as Realization: Science, Spirituality and Harmony</i>. Editor / Ananta Kumar Giri.
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Delhi : Primus Books, 2017. pp. 53-96<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Loet Leydesdorff<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 26. februar 2018 19:03<br>
<b>To:</b> Søren Brier <sbr.msc@cbs.dk>; Stanley N Salthe <ssalthe@binghamton.edu>; fis <fis@listas.unizar.es><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re[2]: [Fis] A Paradox<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">I agree with Stan's wording, but your wording is ambiguous. The meaning is not biologically given, but constructed in a discourse among biologists. The discourse can also be
theological and then one obtains "theological" meaning.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Loet Leydesdorff
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Professor emeritus, University of Amsterdam<br>
Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Associate Faculty,
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><a href="http://www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">SPRU,
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Visiting Professor, </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><a href="http://www.istic.ac.cn/Eng/brief_en.html"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">ISTIC,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From: "Søren Brier" <<a href="mailto:sbr.msc@cbs.dk">sbr.msc@cbs.dk</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">To: "Stanley N Salthe" <<a href="mailto:ssalthe@binghamton.edu">ssalthe@binghamton.edu</a>>; "fis" <<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Sent: 2/26/2018 6:41:25 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks Stan. I agree: Behind production and interpretation of all quantitative data, there is either an biological or
an existential or a religious or a philosophical framework of meaning.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> Søren</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stanley N Salthe [mailto:<a href="mailto:ssalthe@binghamton.edu">ssalthe@binghamton.edu</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 26. februar 2018 16:19<br>
<b>To:</b> Søren Brier <<a href="mailto:sbr.msc@cbs.dk">sbr.msc@cbs.dk</a>>; fis <<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] A Paradox</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Following upon Søren: Meaning is derived for a system by way of Interpretation. The transmitted information has no meaning without interpretation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 6:26 AM, Søren Brier <<a href="mailto:sbr.msc@cbs.dk">sbr.msc@cbs.dk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:3.6pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear Xueshan</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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as well as linguistics. C.S. Peirce’s semiotics is such a paradigm especially if you can integrate cybernetics and systems theory with it. There is a summary of the framework of Cybersemiotics here:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>På vegne af </b>Xueshan Yan<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 26. februar 2018 10:47<br>
<b>Til:</b> FIS Group <<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>><br>
<b>Emne:</b> [Fis] A Paradox</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:3.6pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Dear colleagues,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">In my teaching career of Information Science, I was often puzzled by the following inference, I call it
<b>Paradox of Meaning and Information</b> or <b>Armenia Paradox</b>. In order not to produce unnecessary ambiguity, I state it below and strictly limit our discussion within the human context.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Suppose an earthquake occurred in Armenia last night and all of the main media of the world have given the report about it. On the second day, two students A and B are putting forward a
dialogue facing the newspaper headline “<b>Earthquake Occurred in Armenia Last Night</b>”:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Q: What is the
<b>MEANING</b> contained in this sentence?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">A: An earthquake occurred in Armenia last night.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Q: What is the
<b>INFORMATION</b> contained in this sentence?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">A: An earthquake occurred in Armenia last night.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Thus we come to the conclusion that
<b>MEANING is equal to INFORMATION</b>, or strictly speaking, human meaning is equal to human information. In Linguistics, the study of human meaning is called Human Semantics; In Information Science, the study of human information is called Human Informatics.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Historically, Human Linguistics has two definitions: 1, It is the study of human language; 2, It, also called Anthropological Linguistics or Linguistic Anthropology, is the historical and
cultural study of a human language. Without loss of generality, we only adopt the first definitions here, so we regard Human Linguistics and Linguistics as the same.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Due to Human Semantics is one of the disciplines of Linguistics and its main task is to deal with the human meaning, and Human Informatics is one of the disciplines of Information Science
and its main task is to deal with the human information; Due to human meaning is equal to human information, thus we have the following corollary:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">A: <b>Human Informatics is a subfield of Human Linguistics</b>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">According to the definition of general linguists, language is a vehicle for transmitting information, therefore, Linguistics is a branch of Human Informatics, so we have another corollary:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">B: <b>Human Linguistics is a subfield of Human Informatics</b>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Apparently, A and B are contradictory or logically unacceptable. It is a paradox in Information Science and Linguistics. In most cases, a settlement about the related paradox could lead
to some important discoveries in a subject, but how should we understand this paradox?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:3.6pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Best wishes,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:3.6pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Xueshan</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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