<div dir="ltr">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Dear
Colleagues,<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Thank you
for bringing up 3 main points of the discussion:<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>1)<span style="font:normal normal normal normal 7pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">“ … the most represented position
among FISers, i.e., that information is an objective, quantitative, physical
measure linked to informational entropy”<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>2)<span style="font:normal normal normal normal 7pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">"Information = data +
something in and by consciousness"<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span>3)<span style="font:normal normal normal normal 7pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">“ … my simple question is: What
is the “mental model”? “<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">To answer
these points, it is necessary to recall some results from research into
learning. Learning is based on recurring, periodically repeated, experiences
which get associated with other mental images. The key word here is “periodic”.
It has already been suggested here that children should first learn “how
frequently” before learning “how many”. The higher functions of the brain are
dependent on the physiology of the brain as an organ. The rules of physiology
are rules of changes. The whole system is based on periodicities, be they
hunger, tiredness, any urges and needs.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The
fundament of our perception is made up of closed loops of cycles within
periods, producing rhythms. Against this background have thinkers evolved the
concept of a line and of equally spaced identical units along the line. The
idea contrasts well against the experience of: always the same, returning in
variations. So, this idea can well be abstracted, commonly experienced,
therefore communicated. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">In actual
fact, the first abstract concept a human child learns is that of the mammae of
its mother. The distinction happens along the line of “not-me” within the
cacophony of sensuous impressions coming from the boundary-less general “me” of
the first hours and days reigning in the brain of the newborn. All pictures of
all objects are descendants of the experience of delimitation of specific brain
activities – which will be learnt as perceptions of outside – against the
background of a wholly un-differentiated melange of proceedings within the
central nervous system.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The point
to make here is, that the experience of being fed <i>reorders </i>important physiological parameters within the infant. The
suckling’s cells will be flooded with nourishment, and thus its change into a
different state of physiological order will have become attained. The
predecessor state was “hungry”, the successor state is “well-fed”. The
intermediate state is that which the organism is in actual fact continuously
in, only purists would want to point out the exact end of being hungry. It is a
periodic process that the infant learns to look forward to, and we indeed see
babies to show great interest in preparations for being fed, if they are
hungry. Pawlow’s dogs make the point crystal clear: it is a <i>periodic </i>process, of which there are <i>previous parts</i>, that is all that that
has happened, and <i>parts that are yet to
come</i>, that is, what the children and dogs look forward to.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">This is
the answer to point 2: "Information = data + something in and by
consciousness" is the same as “Reflex = remembered perception + prediction
about future”. Information is in this sense the physiological changes caused by
the expectation (salivation, agitation), usually called conditioned reflex, and
has much to do with enthropy, as an allegory of the physiological state. Data
is the input by the sensory organs. The something that connects data and
prediction is the rule, and it is usually not distinguished between conscious
or not. To keep the terminology in line with formal definitions, information
are such elements of the data set that are not yet in existence and of which
the future existence is predicted.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Point 3: <span> </span>The simple question: What is the “mental
model”? is an invitation to present a mental model. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">We know
that we have to deal with periods, cycles within periods, and rhythms caused by
the interference among cycles and periods. This because our brain is organised
to work in such way. We have been so far quite good at describing that part of
our mental contents that are children of the distinction me – not-me. The
not-me we can already talk a lot about. Now the time has come to start talking
about the me part of the brain. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">We know
that learning is improving the predictive power. To predict something, that
something must be in the future, as a successor to the present. To be able to
predict, some signals must have been perceived, based on which the prediction
is made. These are in the past, are predecessors to the present. The two
different states are each well-ordered (in one state: hunger, in the other
state: well-fed; both states with, theoretically or practically, measurable differences
in physiology). The present state is an intermediate one (not yet fed, but
already alerted to soon being fed) between two ordered states, and therefore
subject to constraints implicated in the neighbouring states’ orders.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">A model
that exemplifies a) order, b) transition, c) prediction would be helpful in
this situation, if the task could be done in a neutral way, transparently, in
an inherently logical fashion. Using such a model one could estimate the
proportion between data and information (that part of the data which is not
here) in a step-by-step fashion.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">A model
is versatile, transportable and practical if it relies on resources that are
available everywhere, in the same quality, agreeing to the same standards and norms.
It can easily be set up, if the user closes their eyes and murmurs: a) so, it
is the paths that connect the elements that are in the same cycle, aha!; b) the
predecessor and the successor give linear coordinates on a plane: aha! there
are polygons on a plane; c) making some origami and ikebana of this here long
useless line allows folding up two rectangular spaces sort of included in one
common space, transcended by two more planes: aha! this needs some serious
drawing; c) Holy <<i>insert name of Deity
here</i>>! There appear differently formed agglomerations as inevitable
traffic jams: aha! these must be the chemical elements; d) there must be some
very funny and tricky accounting behind this all: aha! I will figure out, how
many distinguishable commutative arrangements of symbols are maximally there,
if one uses <i>n </i>carriers of symbols,
otherwise indistinguishable.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Having
murmured these sacred words, the model will appear before your eyes.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-02-21 19:50 GMT+01:00 Krassimir Markov <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:markov@foibg.com" target="_blank">markov@foibg.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';COLOR:#000000">
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Dear FIS Colleagues,</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">The main result of our paper “Data versus Information” is the
understanding that the data and information are different (external and internal
kinds of reflection for subjective consciousness), i.e. "Information = data +
something in and by consciousness"</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">After publishing the paper, Arturo wrote an important remark
and I promise to answer in this letter. In private conversation we had discussed
some aspects. The conversation was interesting but it is not available for the
FIS-list and I have no permission to publish it. Because of this I will use
abstract form of questions (Q) and answers (A). </font></div>
<div><font size="4">Dear Arturo, I apologize in advance but I hope there is
nothing bad in this and it will be useful. </font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">The remark of Arturo was: I'm just annoyed that the most
represented position among FISers, i.e., that information is an objective,
quantitative, physical measure linked to informational entropy, has not been
taken into account at all. After all our efforts to maintain our firm
position, we have been censored.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">(A): Usually we say “we collect
information” measuring different real features – temperature, distance, weigh,
etc. Scientists from physics do this permanently.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">The methodical error here is that really we collect
data.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">After processing the data in the consciousness, the
information may be created in it. Reflections (data) exist everywhere, but
information exists only in consciousness. It is important that information in
the consciousness of one subject is external for another, i.e. it is data for
him/her.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Yes, I know that many people believe in the opposite, but
still there are no scientific basics this believing to become scientific
theory.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">I am mathematician who had worked in the institute of
mathematics more than 40 years and, in particular, I have taught probability and
statistics. I absolutely clearly know (and every good mathematician knows!) that
the probabilities are a human model and do not exist in the reality. Because of
this, all definitions of information based on probability are the same what we
had published in the paper. This kind of information exits only in the concrete
human consciousness! </font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">The rest is data; sometimes called: "statistical
data".</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">(Q): Statistics is so
important, that we can quantify the standpoint of our reality, i.e., quantum
mechanics, just through statistical tools. If you negate statistics in the study
of reality, you fully destroy the medicine, the scientific method and the
prospective and retrospective studies. It is totally absurd to negate the
importance of statistics. I'm sorry, but yours is just a metaphysical approach
to scientific problems.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">(A): Yes, I agree that the
statistics is very important and useful. But we discuss "what is the
information?" and not "is the statistics important or not?".</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Only what I say is that the statistics is pure humans'
activity. By processing statistical data we may predict many events. But this
not excludes humans'. Computer prosthesis of our brains does not change the
situation.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Animals do not process statistical data and do not compute
probabilities but very well process data which they receive via their
receptors.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">In the same time, humans may build statistical models of
animals' activities.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Let remember that the mathematics at all ignore the subjects
in the mathematical theories but this does not means that the subjects do not
exists. One and the same formula may be computed by one student who knows how to
do this and could not be computed by other who does not know this.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">(Q): "Animals do not
process statistical data and do not compute probabilities "...</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Do not forget that one of the most successful current brain
theory, i.e., Karl Friston's free energy principle talk of Bayesian priors
endowed in our brain...</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">(A): NIce! But brains had
worked this way many, many years before Bayes had invented his theories and Karl
Friston had invented the free energy principle.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">We may build many different models of the brain and all in
some aspects will be adequate to what we may measure in and from the brain. This
in one hand!</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">In other hand, this again confirms that all information
processes are provided just in the brain but not in the stones and in the water
somewhere outside of the brain.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">So, we have the same: <font size="4">"Information = data + something in and by
consciousness"</font></font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">(Q): Mmmm... the problem
is exactly your "something"... it smells of untestable, therefore useless and
metaphysical. Gimme just one testable prevision of your model!</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">(A): For the first step,
please imagine that you enter in your room.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">What do you expect to see - table, chairs, maybe any friend,
etc.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Now, what if you passing the door will see the sea - dark blue
water with very big waves?</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Your "something in consciousness" will alarm "stop, this is
not your way"!</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Your brain will compare the "something in consciousness" with
incoming reflection (data) and as far is the new data to it so unexpected it
is.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">*** End of conversation ***</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">The important keyword in this conversation is the concept
“model”. Models are created by or reflected in the consciousness. </font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Because of this, my simple question is:</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div><font size="4">What is the “mental model”?
</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div><font size="4">Friendly
greetings</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Krassimir</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">From: <a href="mailto:tozziarturo@libero.it" target="_blank">tozziarturo@libero.it</a> </font></div>
<div><font size="4">Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 12:42 PM</font></div>
<div><font size="4">To: <a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis@listas.unizar.es</a> ; Krassimir Markov </font></div>
<div><font size="4">Subject: Re: [Fis] The polite and high scientific style of the
posts to be published in an International Journal are OBLIGATED!</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Dear Krassimir, </font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">There is a misundertanding.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">I'm not discussing the quality of the Journal, nor the absence
of my name.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">I'm just annoyed that the most represented position among
FISers, i.e., that information is an objective, quantitative, physical measure
linked to informational entropy, has not been taken into account at all.
After all our efforts to mantain our firm position, we have been
censored.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Il 18 febbraio 2018 alle 23.15 Krassimir Markov
<<a href="mailto:markov@foibg.com" target="_blank">markov@foibg.com</a>> ha scritto:</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Dear Arturo,</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">1. You are not correct and not right!</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">If it is written as you have seen, it is just as it
is!</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Three times we kindly asked for permission but no
answer.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">It is possible that my letters were rejected automatically as
spam.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">What to do? Only what we could to do was to cite posts and to
give links.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">In addition, it is impossible to include long posts in a short
paper. </font></div>
<div><font size="4">Because of this, they have to be shortened by author
(preferred) or by the editor.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">2. The main result from our work on the paper is clearly
summarized in my final words in the paper.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">No problems, if you could not read them.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">My next post next week will remember it.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">3. Finally, the paper in not stenographic protocol.
</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Not every post is connected to the given theme and it is clear
that it could not be taken in a short paper.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">The theme of discussion for the paper usually is pointed in my
“simple questions”.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">If your posts will concern the discussed theme, please clearly
point this.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">4. In the next discussion which will start soon, everybody is
kindly invited to take part and to be included in the future paper.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">The polite and high scientific style of the posts to be
published in an International Journal are OBLIGATED!</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Friendly greetings</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Krassimir</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">From: <a href="mailto:tozziarturo@libero.it" target="_blank">tozziarturo@libero.it</a></font></div>
<div><font size="4">Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 10:58 PM</font></div>
<div><font size="4">To: Krassimir Markov ; <a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis@listas.unizar.es</a></font></div>
<div><font size="4">Subject: Re: [Fis] The FIS paper "Data versus Information " is
published</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Dear, prominent Authors,</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">You write in this paper: " Several posts are not included in
the text below due to lack of permission from their authors".</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">I think that several post were not included in the text just
because they were too critical against the loose, flabby concepts of information
provided in this paper. </font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Some contributions are very interesting, but others deserve
the despising label of pseudoscience. </font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">On the other side, If you provide ELEVEN (more or less, I
cannot be sure, I counted it, but I lost my attention after the Greeek Gods...)
different definitions of information, how do you hope to be trusted?
</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Forgive me to be honest, but FIS means also harsh
discussion! </font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Il 18 febbraio 2018 alle 20.49 Krassimir Markov
<<a href="mailto:markov@foibg.com" target="_blank">markov@foibg.com</a>> ha scritto:</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Dear Pedro and FIS Colleagues,</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">I am glad to inform you that the paper which was created by a
group of FIS members is ready.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">It is published with open access in the International Journal
“Information Theories and Applications”, Volume 24, Number 4, pages
303-321.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">The title of the paper is “Data versus
Information“.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">It contains a small part of FIS discussions but it is
representative how creative is the FIS society!</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Many thanks to authors of the paper – more than three months
we work on the paper!</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Links:</font></div>
<div><font size="4">IJ ITA Vol. 24:
<a href="http://www.foibg.com/ijita/vol24/ijita-fv24.htm" target="_blank">http://www.foibg.com/ijita/<wbr>vol24/ijita-fv24.htm</a></font></div>
<div><font size="4">Direct link to the paper:
<a href="http://www.foibg.com/ijita/vol24/ijita24-04-p01.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.foibg.com/ijita/<wbr>vol24/ijita24-04-p01.pdf</a></font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Friendly greetings</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Krassimir</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">______________________________<wbr>_________________</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Fis mailing list</font></div>
<div><font size="4"><a href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">Fis@listas.unizar.es</a></font></div>
<div><font size="4"><a href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis" target="_blank">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-<wbr>bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</a></font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Arturo Tozzi</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">AA Professor Physics, University North Texas</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Pediatrician ASL Na2Nord, Italy</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Comput Intell Lab, University Manitoba</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"><a href="http://arturotozzi.webnode.it/" target="_blank">http://arturotozzi.webnode.it/</a> </font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">______________________________<wbr>_________________</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Fis mailing list</font></div>
<div><font size="4"><a href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">Fis@listas.unizar.es</a></font></div>
<div><font size="4"><a href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis" target="_blank">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-<wbr>bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</a></font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div></div></div></div>
<br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
Fis mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es">Fis@listas.unizar.es</a><br>
<a href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-<wbr>bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br></div>