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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Hi Emanuel, Pedro & Fishers,</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Emanuel is rasing an important point. It is clear that the <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">duality
</span>of genetic and epigenetic informations is fundamental. But I think the <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">
triadicity</span> of genotype, phenotype, and sociotype is as important and fundametnal, if we interpret the
<span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">triadicity</span> to mean that <i>three cannot be reduced to two or one just as the duality means that two cannot be reduced to one. </i>The two relations, the fomer irreducibly dyadic and the latter irreducibly tiradic,
may not be mutually exclusive or contradictory (as they may appear on the surface) but reflect different aspects of the information of livign systems -- one aspect is irreducibly dyadic and the other is irreducibly triadic, depending on how the phenomonon
of life is viewed. We may represent this idea diagrammatically as infigure 1 below, which is an elaboration and extension of the ITR (<i>Irreducible Triadic Relation</i>) diagram that I used in my previous post:</p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> __________________________________<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"> | <i><span style="color:#0070C0">k </span></i><span style="color:#0070C0">
</span> <span style="color:#0070C0"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">|</span> <i>i</i> </span>| | <b><span style="color: rgb(0, 111, 201);">Epigenetic Information flows</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"> V <i><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"> f </span></i> V <i><span style="color:red">g</span></i> | | <i><span style="color:#0070C0">i,
j, </span></i>& <i><span style="color:#0070C0">k</span> </i> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"> <b>Genotype --------> Phenotype ---------> Sociotype<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"> | ^ | ^<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"> | |______________| |<br>
|________________________________| <b><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Genetic Information flow</span></b><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">s
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"> <i><span style="color:red">h </span></i><span style="color:red"> </span>||<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"> <i><span style="color:red">f, g,
</span></i>&<i><span style="color:red"> h<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The duality of the genetic and epigenetic information flows in the genotype-phenotype-sociotype triad underlying living systems.<b><o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Fis <fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es> on behalf of Emanuel Diamant <emanl.245@gmail.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Pedro C. Marijuan'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> fis@listas.unizar.es<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Fis] Social information, Sociotype</font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Dear Pedro, Dear Fises,</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">I apologize, as usual, for intervening in your respected discussion. But in my humble understanding, the genotype-phenotype-sociotype triad is simply a list of behavioral
forms (or types). Evidently, they all are endorsed and inspired by the information that is in the disposal of every living being. But from information point of view (and we are busy with information essence quest) only two types of information are involved
in a living being behavior production: genetic information and epigenetic information. That is: vertically exchanged inheritance information and horizontally exchanged experience information. These two types of information are responsible for the behavior
of living beings at every known to us level of biological organization: single cell - genotype, cell assembly or organism - phenotype, groups of organisms or societies - sociotype.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Again, I apologize for invading your discussion, but we are busy with information, aren’t we?</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Best regards, Emanuel.</span></p>
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