<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Caro Pedro,</span><div style="font-size:12.8px">ho inviato un brevissimo messaggio a John Collier, ma non è pervenuto. E' possibile sapere perché? Se non è possibile grazie lo stesso.</div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Francesco</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">P.s.:grazie.</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">P.s.<span style="font-size:12.8px">Caro John,</span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span class="gmail-m_-2375069354200131859gmail-m_1477925589165165894gmail-im"><div style="font-size:12.8px">hai detto in maniera semplice una grande verità. Tutta la conoscenza è basata sulla legge dell'informazione, quindi tutte le scienze non possono fare a meno della stessa legge con una definizione comune e misurazione diversa. Altrimenti, come ben dici, si crea solo confusione.</div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Un abbraccio.</div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Francesco</div></span><div class="gmail-m_-2375069354200131859gmail-m_1477925589165165894gmail-m_-7676014455398940700gmail-yj6qo gmail-m_-2375069354200131859gmail-m_1477925589165165894gmail-m_-7676014455398940700gmail-ajU" style="margin:2px 0px 0px;font-size:12.8px"><div id="gmail-m_-2375069354200131859gmail-m_1477925589165165894gmail-m_-7676014455398940700gmail-:2i4" class="gmail-m_-2375069354200131859gmail-m_1477925589165165894gmail-m_-7676014455398940700gmail-ajR"><img class="gmail-m_-2375069354200131859gmail-m_1477925589165165894gmail-m_-7676014455398940700gmail-ajT gmail-m_-2375069354200131859gmail-m_1477925589165165894gmail-CToWUd gmail-m_-2375069354200131859gmail-CToWUd gmail-CToWUd" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif" style="opacity: 0.3;"></div></div></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">P.s. L'ho inviato un paio di ore fa, ma non è arrivato a destinazione: forse per indirizzo sbagliato.</div><div class="gmail-m_-2375069354200131859gmail-m_1477925589165165894gmail-yj6qo gmail-m_-2375069354200131859gmail-m_1477925589165165894gmail-ajU" style="font-size:12.8px"><div id="gmail-m_-2375069354200131859gmail-m_1477925589165165894gmail-:2df" class="gmail-m_-2375069354200131859gmail-m_1477925589165165894gmail-ajR"><img class="gmail-m_-2375069354200131859gmail-m_1477925589165165894gmail-ajT gmail-m_-2375069354200131859gmail-CToWUd gmail-CToWUd" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif" style="opacity: 0.3;"></div></div><div class="gmail-yj6qo gmail-ajU" style="font-size:12.8px"><div id="gmail-:1z4" class="gmail-ajR" tabindex="0"><img class="gmail-ajT" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif" style="opacity: 0.3;"></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-11-06 15:40 GMT+01:00 Pedro C. Marijuan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="gmail-m_7393229817834858780m_4087626300916733204moz-cite-prefix">His server rejects quite many messages
(from me too). Send to the list...<br>
Best --Pedro<div><div class="gmail-m_7393229817834858780h5"><br>
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El 06/11/2017 a las 14:36, Francesco Rizzo escribió:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Caro Pedro,
<div>ho inviato un brevissimo messaggio a John Collier, ma non è
pervenuto. E' possibile sapere perché? Se non è possibile
grazie lo stesso.</div>
<div>Francesco</div>
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<div>P.s.<span style="font-size:12.8px">Caro John,</span></div>
<div style="font-size:12.8px"><span class="gmail-m_7393229817834858780m_4087626300916733204gmail-m_1477925589165165894gmail-im">
<div style="font-size:12.8px">hai detto in maniera semplice
una grande verità. Tutta la conoscenza è basata sulla
legge dell'informazione, quindi tutte le scienze non
possono fare a meno della stessa legge con una definizione
comune e misurazione diversa. Altrimenti, come ben dici,
si crea solo confusione.</div>
<div style="font-size:12.8px">Un abbraccio.</div>
<div style="font-size:12.8px">Francesco</div>
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">P.s. L'ho inviato un paio di ore
fa, ma non è arrivato a destinazione: forse per indirizzo
sbagliato.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2017-10-06 14:36 GMT+02:00 Pedro C.
Marijuan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>></span>:<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_7393229817834858780m_4087626300916733204m_-2737126797389480555moz-cite-prefix">Dear
Terry and FIS colleagues,<br>
I think you make a good point. I was reminded on the
problems my research group has found in the development
of our "Sociotype project", cooperating with social
science groups and psychologists. The lack of
communication in between those closer to formal fields
or just within natural sciences (our case) and the
humanities and social science fields is amazing. From my
point of view they strongly defend some form of
"obscurity", in the sense that they do not accept but a
total disciplinary autonomy often ideologically rooted.
Perhaps I am exaggerating, as the intrinsic complexity
of those matters is only amenable to "foundations" from
discoursive approaches... Well, in any case a
metaphorical idea about those principles of Information
Science is that they can work as "posts" where new
electric lines may be tended, so that they can bring new
light to new pockets within those ultracomplex realms.
The gap between sceince-humanities might be well crossed
by info science.<br>
(Finally let me apologize for not having processed yet
all the late messages, I have a slow digestion)<br>
Best--Pedro
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El 05/10/2017 a las 19:21, Terrence W. DEACON
escribió:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear all,
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<div>I am in agreement with Joseph's suggestion
that our discussions of the foundations of
information could be understood as pre-science.
Efforts such as the list of principles proposed
by Pedro offer a useful focus of discussion for
working toward a more solid "foundation"
precisely because it helps elicits responses
that exemplify the fault lines in our community.
These are not merely points of disagreement but
also theoretical boundaries that need to be
clearly identified if we want to seriously map
this still ambiguous conceptual territory.
Claims that this issue has been settled or that
there are irresolvable issues involved or that
the whole conceptual territory is useless are
unhelpful. We just need to get explicit about
our differences and what motivates them.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at
1:45 AM, Joseph Brenner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-weight:normal;color:black"><font size="3"><font face="Times New
Roman">Dear Pedro, Dear FISers,</font></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-weight:normal;color:black"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-weight:normal;color:black"><font size="3"><font face="Times New
Roman">In the 2 weeks I have
been away, an excellent
discussion has self-organized as
Pedro noted. Any preliminary
comments and criticisms of
Pedro’s 10 Principles I could
make now can refer to this. I
would have said first that Pedro
is to be thanked for this
construction. Preparing a list
of principles involves defining
not only the content but also
the number, order and relation
between the entries. Zou, Stan
and Ted in particular have
recognized the existence of the
list as such and the work
involved.</font></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-weight:normal;color:black"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-weight:normal;color:black"><font size="3"><font face="Times New
Roman">My own view is that we
are all currently involved in
reworking the Foundations of
Information Science. These
Foundations are not themselves
science, but they look forward
to the increased understanding
of Information Science as Terry
suggests. I propose the term
“Pre-Science” for this process
activity, a pun on the word
‘prescience’ whose normal
definition is foreknowledge or
foresight. The people who tend
to make mistakes in this effort
will be those who claim that any
simple concept or set of
concepts can do the job itself,
supported by claims to
authorities such as Peirce. Sets
of <i>principles</i>, on the
other hand, are tools more
difficult to use but they permit
directed consideration of
several perspectives at the same
time.</font></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-weight:normal;color:black"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-weight:normal;color:black"><font size="3"><font face="Times New
Roman">Principles are the basis
for an interpretation of what is
in the physical and biological
processes that are the proper
subjects for non-computational
Information Science, without –
yet – providing any
explanations. Now this is a lot
more philosophical that may have
been expected when the
discussion started. However,
today, unlike when Pedro and his
colleagues started out, we have
the Philosophy of Information of
Luciano Floridi and Wu Kun to
work with, as well as my logic.
I am surprised that no-one has
yet referred to Floridi or Wu. </font></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-weight:normal;color:black"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-weight:normal;color:black"><font size="3"><font face="Times New
Roman">Going back over the
postings to-date, I have noted a
few which seem constitutive of a
‘Pre-Science’ of Information:
Emmanuel’s ‘duality’, Stan’s
hierarchies; Michel Godron’s and
John Torday’s bridges to
biology, Pedro’s reworking of
communication, <em>etc</em>. I
will resist comments that the
concepts of Pre-Science are to
be thrown out as part of
non-science or ‘just’
philosophy. As Koichiro clearly
said on 20.09, information can,
and in my view is already,
bringing in something new
empirically to questions of
space and time. <span> </span>In
the Pre-Science of Information,
ideally, it should be possible
to retain mechanism <i>and</i>
materialism or realism;
computationalism <i>and </i>non-
or natural computationalism;
information as a physical <em>reality</em>
and a non-physical <em>appearance</em>.</font></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-weight:normal;color:black"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-weight:normal;color:black"><font size="3"><font face="Times New
Roman">I look forward with great
interest to the lines of
development of this thread.</font></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-weight:normal;color:black"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-weight:normal;color:black"><font size="3"><font face="Times New
Roman">Best wishes,</font></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-weight:normal;color:black"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-weight:normal;color:black"><font size="3"><font face="Times New
Roman">Joseph</font></font></span></p>
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<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="fis@listas.unizar.es" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">'fis'</a> </div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:arial"><b>Sent:</b>
Friday, September 15, 2017 2:13 PM</div>
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[Fis] PRINCIPLES OF IS</div>
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Dear FIS Colleagues,<br>
<br>
As promised herewith the "10 principles of
information science". A couple of previous
comments may be in order. <br>
First, what is in general the role of
principles in science? I was motivated by
the unfinished work of philosopher Ortega
y Gasset, "The idea of principle in
Leibniz and the evolution of deductive
theory" (posthumously published in 1958).
Our tentative information science seems to
be very different from other sciences,
rather multifarious in appearance and
concepts, and cavalierly moving from scale
to scale. What could be the specific role
of principles herein? Rather than opening
homogeneous realms for conceptual
development, these information principles
would appear as a sort of "portals" that
connect with essential topics of other
disciplines in the different organization
layers, but at the same time they should
try to be consistent with each other and
provide a coherent vision of the
information world.<br>
And second, about organizing the present
discussion, I bet I was too optimistic
with the commentators scheme. In any case,
for having a first glance on the whole
scheme, the opinions of philosophers would
be very interesting. In order to warm up
the discussion, may I ask John Collier,
Joseph Brenner and Rafael Capurro to send
some initial comments / criticisms? Later
on, if the commentators idea flies,
Koichiro Matsuno and Wolfgang Hofkirchner
would be very valuable voices to put a
perspectival end to this info principles
discussion (both attended the Madrid
bygone FIS 1994 conference)... <br>
But this is FIS list, unpredictable in
between the frozen states and the chaotic
states! So, everybody is invited to get
ahead at his own, with the only customary
limitation of two messages per week.<br>
<br>
Best wishes, have a good weekend --Pedro<br>
<br>
<p align="center"><font size="+2"><b>10 </b></font><font size="+2"><b>PRINCIPLES OF INFORMATION
SCIENCE</b></font></p>
<p>1. Information is information, neither
matter nor energy.</p>
<p>2. Information is comprehended into
structures, patterns, messages, or
flows.</p>
<p>3. Information can be recognized, can
be measured, and can be processed
(either computationally or
non-computationally).</p>
<p>4. Information flows are essential
organizers of life's self-production
processes--anticipating, shaping, and
mixing up with the accompanying energy
flows.</p>
<p>5. Communication/information exchanges
among adaptive life-cycles underlie the
complexity of biological organizations
at all scales.</p>
<p>6. It is symbolic language what conveys
the essential communication exchanges of
the human species--and constitutes the
core of its "social nature." </p>
<p>7. Human information may be
systematically converted into efficient
knowledge, by following the "knowledge
instinct" and further up by applying
rigorous methodologies.</p>
<p>8. Human cognitive limitations on
knowledge accumulation are partially
overcome via the social organization of
"knowledge ecologies." <br>
</p>
<p>9. Knowledge circulates and recombines
socially, in a continuous actualization
that involves "creative destruction" of
fields and disciplines: the intellectual
<i>Ars Magna.</i> <br>
</p>
<p>10. Information science proposes a new,
radical vision on the information and
knowledge flows that support individual
lives, with profound consequences for
scientific-philosophical practice and
for social governance. <br>
</p>
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