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<span style="font-size:12pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Yes Stan, <br>
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">the Moreno-Mossio book is an interesting and recent treatment of autonomy but, as the title indicates, it is focused on <b>biological </b>autonomy. <br>
FYI there is also a 2009 paper by</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Barandiaran & all (some from the Moreno IAS team) that addresses agency
and autonomy in a different way, allowing to consider artificial agents: "Defining Agency individuality, normativity, asymmetry and spatiotemporality in action". The paper is available at:
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<a href="https://xabierbarandiaran.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/barandiaran_dipaolo_rohde_-_defining_agency_v_1_0_-_jab_20091.pdf" id="LPlnk442196" previewremoved="true"><span style="color:blue">https://xabierbarandiaran.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/barandiaran_dipaolo_rohde_-_defining_agency_v_1_0_-_jab_20091.pdf</span></a></span><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Here is an interesting recent treatment of autonomy.
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<p class="gmail-p1">Alvaro Moreno and Matteo Mossio: Biological Autonomy: A Philosophical</p>
<p class="gmail-p1">and Theoretical Enquiry (History, Philosophy and Theory of the Life Sciences 12);</p>
<p class="gmail-p1">Springer, Dordrecht, 2015, xxxiv + 221 pp., $129 hbk, ISBN 978-94-017-9836-5</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Terrence W. DEACON <span dir="ltr">
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AN AUTONOMOUS AGENT IS A DYNAMICAL SYSTEM ORGANIZED TO BE CAPABLE OF INITIATING PHYSICAL WORK TO FURTHER PRESERVE THIS SAME CAPACITY IN THE CONTEXT OF INCESSANT EXTRINSIC AND/OR INTRINSIC TENDENCIES FOR THIS SYSTEM CAPACITY TO DEGRADE. </p>
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THIS ENTAILS A CAPACITY TO ORGANIZE WORK THAT IS SPECIFICALLY CONTRAGRADE TO THE FORM OF THIS DEGRADATIONAL INFLUENCE, AND THUS ENTAILS A CAPACITY TO BE INFORMED BY THE EFFECTS OF THAT INFLUENCE WITH RESPECT TO THE AGENT’S CRITICAL ORGANIZATIONAL CONSTRAINTS.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#1f497d">On 19 Oct 2017 at 6:42 AM, Alex Hankey wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">the actual subject has to be non-reducible and fundamental to our universe.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#1f497d"> This view is also supported by Conway-Kochen’s free will theorem (2006). If (a big IF, surely) we admit that our fellows can freely exercise their
free will, it must be impossible to imagine that the atoms and molecules lack their share of the similar capacity. For our bodies eventually consist of those atoms and molecules.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#1f497d"> Moreover, the exercise of free will on the part of the constituent atoms and molecules could come to implement the centripetality of Bob Ulanowicz
at long last under the guise of chemical affinity unless the case would have to forcibly be dismissed.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#1f497d"> This has been my second post this week.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Fis [mailto:<a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis-bounces@listas.uni<wbr>zar.es</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alex Hankey<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 19, 2017 6:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Arthur Wist <<a href="mailto:arthur.wist@gmail.com" target="_blank">arthur.wist@gmail.com</a>>; FIS Webinar <<a href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">Fis@listas.unizar.es</a>><span><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] What is “Agent”?<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">David Chalmers's analysis made it clear that if agents exist, then they are as fundamental to the universe as electrons or gravitational mass. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Certain kinds of physiological structure support 'agents' - those emphasized by complexity biology. But the actual subject has to be non-reducible and fundamental to our universe. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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