<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10px"><div id="yiv0460415527"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507571544540_2671"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507571544540_2670"><div id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><span id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_34062"><font id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_34061" size="3">Dear Krassimir and friends</font></span></div><div id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><span><font size="3"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><span id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_34174"><font id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_34175" size="3">I often </font></span><span id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_34176" style="font-size:medium;">follow Fis discussions</span><span id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_34177" style="font-size:medium;"> </span><span id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_34554" style="font-size:medium;">with much interest but rarely contribute. However, your current information/data debate is too good to miss; beautifully summarised by Krassimir's </span><font id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_36715" size="3">simple </font><span id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_34555" style="font-size:medium;">equation,</span><span id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_34556" style="font-size:medium;"> </span><span id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_34557" style="font-size:medium;">using carefully chosen entities. Don't quite get the d=r.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><span style="font-size:medium;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><span id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_34726" style="font-size:medium;">It seems.... to me................! </span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><span id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_36326" style="font-size:medium;">Data (that which is given) is objective: the combination of discrete entities or disturbances (energy bundles, photons, sounds, numbers, letters etc) ....</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><span id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_37549" style="font-size:medium;">and... </span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><span id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_36277" style="font-size:medium;">Information (that which is created) is subjective: 'collated or interpreted data' dependent upon, and possibly existing uniquely in, the eye/mind of each beholder. (your Else)</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><span style="font-size:medium;"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><span style="font-size:medium;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507571544540_6195">The ultimate Potential; awesome dark, silent, </span><span style="font-size: medium;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507571544540_6196">empty</span><span style="font-size: medium;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507571544540_6197"> space is the medium within which data is potentially transformed, by interpretation, into information, </span><span style="font-size: medium;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507571544540_6198">meaning, </span><span style="font-size: medium;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507571544540_6199">beauty and Love.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><span id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_36981" style="font-size:medium;">Can we see Light ? Not without objects/data to reveal it. We think we see objects but actually we only see Light. It just needs objects and observers for its Revelation. What colour is dew drop?!</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><span style="font-size:medium;"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><span id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_37254" style="font-size:medium;">Wow our universe is Wonder full.... yet so desperately sad too. Its almost as if Love needs pain for its revelation, just as Light needs the Universe</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><span style="font-size:medium;"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><font id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_37498" size="3">Please forgive my ramblings; thank you very much Krassimir and all for focusing my attention on these mysteries</font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><font id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_37700" size="3">Best wishes</font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><font id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_37702" size="3">David</font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><font size="3"><br clear="none"></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><font id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_37855" size="3">PS Perhaps your 'r' is for 'reflection' of the light, sound.... </font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32634"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0460415527qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_32635"><br clear="none" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_37171"></div></div></div></div><div class=".yiv0460415527yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507571544540_2683"> <div id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33801" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10px;"> <div id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33800" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507571544540_2682"><br><br></div><div class="yiv0460415527yqt1157931178" id="yiv0460415527yqt47519"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33839"> <font id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33841" size="2" face="Arial"> </font><hr id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33855" size="1"> <b id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33866"><span id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33865" style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Sungchul Ji <sji@pharmacy.rutgers.edu><br clear="none"> <b id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33869"><span id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33868" style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Foundation of Information Science <fis@listas.unizar.es>; "markov@foibg.com" <markov@foibg.com> <br clear="none"> <b id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33872"><span id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33871" style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 9 October 2017, 16:44<br clear="none"> <b id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_34006"><span id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_34005" style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fis] I agree with your considerations.<br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv0460415527y_msg_container" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33799"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv0460415527"><style>#yiv0460415527 -- .yiv0460415527EmailQuote {margin-left:1pt;padding-left:4pt;border-left:#800000 2px solid;}#yiv0460415527 </style><div>
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<div id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33874">Hi Krassimir,</div>
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<div id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33877">You have my permission.</div>
<div id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33796">Good luck.</div>
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<div class="yiv0460415527yqt7489204730" id="yiv0460415527yqtfd54856"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0460415527x_divRplyFwdMsg"><font id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33807" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt;"><b id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33999">From:</b> Fis <fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es> on behalf of Krassimir Markov <markov@foibg.com><br clear="none">
<b id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33997">Sent:</b> Monday, October 9, 2017 5:32:59 AM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> Foundation of Information Science<br clear="none">
<b id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33995">Subject:</b> [Fis] I agree with your considerations.</font>
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</span></font></div><div class="yiv0460415527PlainText" id="yiv0460415527yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507564537518_33809"><div class="yiv0460415527yqt7489204730" id="yiv0460415527yqtfd51085">Dear Yixin, Sung, Terry, Mark, and FIS Colleagues,<br clear="none">
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I agree with your considerations!<br clear="none">
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Let me remark that the General Information Theory is much more than a<br clear="none">
single concept. You have seen that I have some answers in advance due to<br clear="none">
already developed theory.<br clear="none">
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What is important now is to finish this step and after that to continue<br clear="none">
with the next. It may be just the idea about meaning.<br clear="none">
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What we have till now is the understanding that the information is some<br clear="none">
more than data. In other words:<br clear="none">
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d = r<br clear="none">
i = r + e<br clear="none">
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where:<br clear="none">
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d => data;<br clear="none">
i => information;<br clear="none">
r = > reflection;<br clear="none">
e => something Else, internal for the subject (interpreter, etc.).<br clear="none">
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I need a week to finish our common with you current publication and to<br clear="none">
send it to co-authors for final editing and after that for reviewing.<br clear="none">
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Dear Sung, Terry, and Mark, if you agree and give me the permissions, I<br clear="none">
shall include your considerations in the end of the paper in the point<br clear="none">
"Future work" and shall include you in the co-authors of the paper.<br clear="none">
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My next (second) post will be at the end of week.<br clear="none">
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Thank you very much for your great effort!<br clear="none">
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Friendly greetings<br clear="none">
Krassimir<br clear="none">
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