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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear Pedro,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thank you for this very complete and very necessary
listing. I will be glad to make some general comments, but I am leaving for two
weeks of vacation in Turkey. I promise that my unconscious will be working on
the task, and I should have something promptly on my return. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I still am fascinated by the self-referential
debate has already started on Principle 1. I was surprised by the somewhat
doctrinaire, polarizing tone of Arturo's note, since I have appreciated
several of his previous postings. I therefore agree with Jose Javier's
critique</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now, the polarization of light can be well
described mathematically, but what about the polarization of people and
their ideas? I contend that this use of the term is (not only) metaphorical
since real, physical changes take place, in the <EM>exchanges</EM> of
qualitative information, such as the present one. These changes in patterns of
thought and action can be studied rigorously; it's just a lot harder. In any
case, I consider myself a realist about information <EM>without</EM>
mathematics. <FONT face="Times New Roman"
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For their possible utility in the debate, to get
away from the reification, I suggest the following process definitions which if
nothing else I have never seen together in the same place:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A. Information is energy in a non-mathematizable
form.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>B. Information is and is not energy. It is and is
not physical; with this I could agree with Michel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>C. Information is energy in motion:
inform-motion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>D. Information is the energy change of
non-algorithimic, natural computation. (I believe Gordana's concept of
natural computation is essential for progress. Rather than computation, we
might call it non-numeric information processing, NNIP.)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My final comment for now is to applaud the presence
of Principle 10 in the list. In my view, we should always have the ethical
finality of of our ratiocinations, such as they are, in mind.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joseph</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es
href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">Pedro C. Marijuan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=fis@listas.unizar.es
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">'fis'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 15, 2017 2:13
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Fis] PRINCIPLES OF IS</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>Dear FIS
Colleagues,<BR><BR>As promised herewith the "10 principles of information
science". A couple of previous comments may be in order. <BR>First, what is in
general the role of principles in science? I was motivated by the unfinished
work of philosopher Ortega y Gasset, "The idea of principle in Leibniz and the
evolution of deductive theory" (posthumously published in 1958). Our tentative
information science seems to be very different from other sciences, rather
multifarious in appearance and concepts, and cavalierly moving from scale to
scale. What could be the specific role of principles herein? Rather than
opening homogeneous realms for conceptual development, these information
principles would appear as a sort of "portals" that connect with essential
topics of other disciplines in the different organization layers, but at the
same time they should try to be consistent with each other and provide a
coherent vision of the information world.<BR>And second, about organizing the
present discussion, I bet I was too optimistic with the commentators scheme.
In any case, for having a first glance on the whole scheme, the opinions of
philosophers would be very interesting. In order to warm up the discussion,
may I ask John Collier, Joseph Brenner and Rafael Capurro to send some initial
comments / criticisms? Later on, if the commentators idea flies, Koichiro
Matsuno and Wolfgang Hofkirchner would be very valuable voices to put a
perspectival end to this info principles discussion (both attended the Madrid
bygone FIS 1994 conference)... <BR>But this is FIS list, unpredictable in
between the frozen states and the chaotic states! So, everybody is invited to
get ahead at his own, with the only customary limitation of two messages per
week.<BR><BR>Best wishes, have a good weekend --Pedro<BR><BR>
<P align=center><FONT size=+2><B>10 </B></FONT><FONT size=+2><B>PRINCIPLES OF
INFORMATION SCIENCE</B></FONT></P>
<P>1. Information is information, neither matter nor energy.</P>
<P>2. Information is comprehended into structures, patterns, messages, or
flows.</P>
<P>3. Information can be recognized, can be measured, and can be
processed (either computationally or non-computationally).</P>
<P>4. Information flows are essential organizers of life's self-production
processes--anticipating, shaping, and mixing up with the accompanying energy
flows.</P>
<P>5. Communication/information exchanges among adaptive life-cycles underlie
the complexity of biological organizations at all scales.</P>
<P>6. It is symbolic language what conveys the essential communication
exchanges of the human species--and constitutes the core of its "social
nature." </P>
<P>7. Human information may be systematically converted into efficient
knowledge, by following the "knowledge instinct" and further up by applying
rigorous methodologies.</P>
<P>8. Human cognitive limitations on knowledge accumulation are partially
overcome via the social organization of "knowledge ecologies." <BR></P>
<P>9. Knowledge circulates and recombines socially, in a continuous
actualization that involves "creative destruction" of fields and disciplines:
the intellectual <I>Ars Magna.</I> <BR></P>
<P>10. Information science proposes a new, radical vision on the information
and knowledge flows that support individual lives, with profound consequences
for scientific-philosophical practice and for social governance. <BR></P><PRE class=moz-signature cols="72">--
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Pedro C. Marijuán
Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud
Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta 0
50009 Zaragoza, Spain
Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818)
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