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<td>[Fis] A Curious Story Explained</td>
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<td>Sun, 22 Jan 2017 10:32:41 +0000</td>
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<td>Otto E. Rossler <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:oeross00@yahoo.com"><oeross00@yahoo.com></a></td>
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25920"><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">I am
very grateful to you that you forced me to
re-think the LHC risks.
Forgive me for the delay of about a week
which this attempt caused me. </span></span></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25923"><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></span></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25926"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25927"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">You
said implicitly: Okay, the fact that
c-global and cryodynamics
radically change the properties of black
holes does not interest me much because the
energy levels of nature's own particle
collisions known to be innocuous are
very much higher than those at CERN.</span></span></div>
<div
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25928"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25929"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25930"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></span></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25932"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25933"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">This
correct observation is, unfortunately, not
sufficient to feel safe. For it
overlooks a decisive difference between
nature and CERN: asymmetry vs. symmetry.
The artificial collisions at CERN are
symmetric, a feature which never occurs
in nature on a celestial body. The
artificial micro black holes are like all
black holes uncharged due to c-global, so
that they can pass through matter
virtually unbraked. Hence they can only
under the symmetry condition created by CERN
on earth get stuck to start growing inside
matter in an exponential fashion.</span></span></div>
<div
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25934"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25935"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25936"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></span></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25938"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25939"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">CERN
openly refuses to renew its safety report
"LSAG" for 9 years because it obviously has
no counterargument to offer. It also openly
shuns the “safety conference”
that a judge asked it to hold in 2011. Why
the world public is accepting this open
violation
of trustworthiness is a big mystery to me. <span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25940" style=""> </span></span></span></div>
<div
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25941"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25942"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25943"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></span></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25945"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25946"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">A
second point is probability: How probable is
the successful production
of micro black holes which hope was one of
the main motivations for the
construction of the LHC in the first place?</span></span></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25948"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25949"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></span></div>
<div
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25950"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25951"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25952"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">At
that time, <i
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_29714">string
theory</i> was a big issue. Ever since I
showed in 2008 that
Hawking radiation does not exist owing to
c-global (Hawking leaves his disproved
result undefended up to this day), the
prediction made by string theory that black
holes have a good chance to be produced at
CERN got suppressed. Indeed the
whole flourishing string-theoretic community
suddenly lost its public visibility by magic
– as if it had never existed. This strong is
the power of the
CERN community with its more than ten
thousand physicists world wide and with the
money that
stands behind. The whole young generation
which had entered string theory in
good hope was sacrificed.</span></span></div>
<div
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25953"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25954"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25955"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></span></div>
<div
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25956"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25957"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25958"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">But
much more important, so I hear you say, is
the question of
probability: Is the chance to produce black
holes at the moderate center-of-mass
energies of the LHC not low enough that –
while the investment of ten billion
euros was justified -- the risk of of
success is actually negligible?</span></span></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25960"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25961"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></span></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25963"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25964"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">Unfortunately,
the risk is non-negligible. The risk is
about 1 over 6. This
follows from the new unchargedness of black
holes ("charge" is the one “hair” I clipped
from the three remaining "hairs of black
holes" that my humorous friend John Wheeler
had left standing as he said, so that now
only two of them, “mass” and “angular
momentum,” remain). The new unchargedness
implies that electrons cannot be
point-shaped, because they would then be
black
holes and hence uncharged. So “something” is
bound to be "boring open" the electron.
Hence some form of string theory or an even
more general principle along the same lines
is bound to be at
work in nature.</span></span></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25966"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25967"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></span></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25969"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25970"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">Previously
in the <i
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_72746">absence</i>
of the new finding of unchargedness, the
smallest
black hole possible was the “Planck hole” as
it can be called. It has
the Planck mass of about 20 milligrams. This
limit follows from the fact
that a photon of this energy has a
wavelength of roughly the Schwarzschild
radius possessed by this mass-energy. Hence
more energetic photons cannot exist in
nature (a previously overlooked fact for
which Heinrich Kuypers is co-responsible). </span></span></div>
<div
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25971"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25972"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25973"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></span></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25975"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25976"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">This
classical result applies in the absence of
string theory or its analogs, as mentioned.<i>
If</i>
it held true in nature as such, it would
require an accelerator millions of times
stronger than the LHC in Geneva. But the
mentioned proof of an analog of
string theory applying in reality, means
that in reality ten times lower
energies may already suffice for the
generation of a black hole. Or a hundred
times
less energy. Or a thousand times less. Or a
million times less – CERN’s
energy. </span></span></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25978"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25979"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></span></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25987"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25988"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">So we
are suddenly back at CERN. Each of the six
boring-open factors
mentioned (up to nie million) has the same
probability of holding true in reality in
the absence of any better knowledge. Hence
very roughly speaking, the LHC has a chance
of about 1 over 6 (a dice toss)
to reduce earth to a 2-cm black hole
following a silent period of exponential
growth inside earth of a short number of
years.</span></span></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25990"><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></span></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25993"><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">This
argument goes unchallenged in the literature
for 9 years. No
physicist of the younger generation is
allowed to work on it. The CERN Young
Scientists who invited me for a talk in
early 2010 were not allowed to meet
with me when I was waiting in the CERN
cafeteria to fix the date. </span></span></div>
<div
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style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></span></div>
<div
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style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">Much
of the above-said is not maximally precise.
But in questions of risk, it
is not exact equalities that count but
inequalities. </span></span></div>
<div
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style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></span></div>
<div
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style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">We
saw that “ex novo paene quodlibet” – from
the new, almost anything can
follow. The "unchargedness of black holes"
was the decisive point besides "lack of
Hawking radiation." I still
hope that the danger can be dispelled. But
no one at CERN or in the scientific
community at large is trying to help me find
the decisive point that would do away with
the
danger as the clear-all call everyone hopes
for. The reason for this restraint, I
believe, has to do with the fact that a
public discussion of the risks is "no good"
for business reasons. <br clear="none">
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_26005"><span
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_26006"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">But:
the fact that no
one is contradicting my publications in the
literature could, of course, also mean that
none of the points I told
you holds water. If not even Hawking bothers
to defend himself and thereby CERN, why
should
anyone else bother? For 9 years, everyone
working at CERN has the official order to
always maintain that “the risk is exactly
zero.” Under such an
administrative imperative, renewal of a
safety report is impossible by definition.
The rest of the world has to live with this
fact as long as it can muster -- if there
were not this "a silent period" before which
everything is too late already without
anyone knowing it. To me for one, waking up
in time appears preferable: Why not check
and why not discuss after all? Is the fact
that the judge at Cologne implicitly
contradicted the German highest court that
had ruled a bit earlier that "CERN is safe"
without even having listened to the pro and
con, really a sufficient excuse for risking
the planet with a non-zero probability? <br>
</span></span></div>
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_26006"
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">Of
course, the whole story throws an appalling
light on Science and Europe and Germany.
This fact -- I am Austrian and Austria
briefly left CERN in response -- makes me
especially sad. Do you think that after the
loud silence of the sciences the humanities
have a voice of their own to offer?</span></span></div>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">I
recently wrote a paper just accepted for
publication which I cannot resist to append
here owing to its humanistic style. Maybe it
will make the "other culture" no less upset
about me than the scientific one appears to
be to judge from its loud silence: <a
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It can show how deep my concern is since
humankind is really behaving strangely,
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you from my heart for your important
encouragement.</span></span>
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style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
Pedro C. Marijuan
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
Otto E. Rossler
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Friday, January 20, 2017 1:57 PM<br
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<b
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Re: [Fis] A Curious Story<br
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25585"
size="-1">Dear Otto and
colleagues,<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Thanks for the curious story and
sorry that my absorption in low
level administrative themes has
knocked me down-down during
these weeks. But not being a
physicist, and even not a third
rate aficionado, I can
contribute very little to the
exchanges. At least I will try
to remark a couple of lateral
aspects:<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
First, when I heard about this
story, I was amazed how
hysterical the web records were.
On the one side, the tabloid
style comments and the malicious
personal attacks, and on the
other side the offended,
irritated scientists. That your
opinion deserved a "Charge of
the Nobel Brigade" with all
those big names hurried together
to smitten any possible doubt,
was sort of humorous. Wasn't <span
class="yiv2963316579spell"
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25586">from
Horace that saying of
"vociferant montes et
parturient ridiculus mus"? My
impression is that all those
hyperactive new media have
deteriorated the exchange and
maturation of scientific
opinion. The fate of your
position on those hypothetic
risks was </span></font><font
size="-1"><span
class="yiv2963316579spell">irrationally
</span></font><font
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size="-1"><span
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25587">discounted.<br
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<br clear="none">
And about the theme itself, I
join one of the initial
comments on the energy of
singular cosmic rays,
probabilistically having to
cause such microscopic
destructive black holes in
The Moon and somewhere else.
The wide swaths of the cosmos
we watch today do not show
sudden instances of planet or
star disappearance. As many
thousands and millions of
those are well followed
nowadays without reports of
sudden destruction: can this
"stable" cosmos be an extra
argument in the discussion?
Let me improvise some further
views: Black holes relate
"quite a bit" to information
matters. The controversy
between Hawking, Penrose, etc.
about the fate of the quantum
information engulfed seemingly
emitted is not the end of the
story I think. If everything
should make functional sense
in an integrated "organismic"
cosmos, the functionality of
black holes is really
enigmatic. They just become a
reservoir of dark matter for
gravity? In this point our
common friend Michael Conrad
(1996) put</span></font><span
class="yiv2963316579st"
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25590"><font
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484917577204_25589" size="-1"> "<em>when
we look at a biological
system we</em> are looking
at the face of the underlying
<em>physics of the universe</em>."
Thereupon, I have always
thought about the similarity
between cellular proteasomes
(protein destructing machines)
and the cosmic (destructive)
black holes. But the former
RECYCLE and emit single amino
acid components for reuse, and
then would the latter provide
only residual gravity? Lee
Smolin said something bold:
they recycle too, and produce
"baby universes" with slightly
altered laws of nature. Our
planet final blimps would have
some more fun incorporated
(with the big IF, of
course)... <br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Best wishes<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
--Pedro<br clear="none">
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<br clear="none">
</span> lEl 11/01/2017 a las
11:33, Otto E. Rossler escribió:<br
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<div
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like this response from Lou,</span></div>
<div
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<hr size="1"> <b><span
style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Louis H Kauffman <a
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Pedro C. Marijuan <a
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<b><span
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fis <a
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<b><span
style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, January 10,
2017 6:09 PM<br
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<b><span
style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Fis] A Curious
Story<br clear="none">
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<div
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Folks,
<div
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258473">It is very
important to not
be hasty and
assume that the
warning Professor
Rossler made is to
be taken
seriously.</div>
<div
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258479">It is
relatively easy to
check if a
mathematical
reasoning is true
or false.</div>
<div
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258478">It is much more
difficult to see
if a piece of
mathematics is
correctly alligned
to physical
prediction.</div>
<div
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258477">Note also that
a reaction such
as </div>
<div
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258476">"THIS STORY IS
A GOOD REASON FOR
SHUTTING DOWN CERN
PERMANENTLY AND
SAVING A LOT OF
LARGELY WASTED
MONEY.”.</div>
<div
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258480">Is not in the
form of scientific
rational
discussion, but
rather in the form
of taking a given
conclusion for
granted</div>
<div
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258481"> and using it
to support another
opinion that is
just that - an
opinion. </div>
<div
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<div
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258567">By
concatenating such
behaviors we
arrive at the
present political
state of the
world.</div>
<div
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<div
class="yiv2963316579">This
is why, in my
letter, I have
asked for an
honest discussion
of the possible
validity of
Professor
Rossler’s
arguments.</div>
<div
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<div
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258485">At this point I
run out of
commentary room
for this week and
I shall read and
look forward to
making further
comments next
week.</div>
<div
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258561">Best,</div>
<div
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<div
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id="yiv2963316579yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258506">On Jan 9, 2017,
at 7:17 AM,
Pedro C.
Marijuan <<a
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target="_blank" href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>>
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Hankey</div>
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reenviado
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STORY IS A GOOD
REASON FOR
SHUTTING DOWN
CERN PERMANENTLY
AND SAVING A LOT
OF LARGELY
WASTED MONEY.</div>
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2017 at 16:36,
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Lecture
inaugurating
our 2017
sessions.</div>
<div
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really hope
that this
Curious Story
is just that,
a curiosity.</div>
<div
class="yiv2963316579">But
in science we
should not
look for hopes
but for
arguments and
counter-arguments...</div>
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<div
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All and
exciting times
for the New
Year!</div>
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style="font-size:20.0pt;" lang="EN-US">A Curious Story</span></b></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10547"><span
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style=""
lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10549"><span
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550"
style=""
lang="EN-US">Otto
E. Rossler,
University of
Tübingen,
Germany<br
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</span></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10764"><span
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550"
style=""
lang="EN-US"><br
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<div
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10763"><span
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550"
style=""
lang="EN-US">Maybe
I am the only
one who finds
it curious.
Which fact
would then
make it even
more curious
for me. It
goes like
this: Someone
says “I can
save your
house from a
time bomb
planted into
the basement”
and you
respond by
saying “I
don’t care.”
This curious
story is taken
from the
Buddhist
bible. </span></div>
<div
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10551"><span
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10552"
style=""
lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div
class="yiv2963316579"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10553"><span
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10554"
style=""
lang="EN-US">It
of course
depends on who
is offering to
help. It could
be a lunatic
person
claiming that
he alone can
save the
planet from a
time-bomb
about to be
planted into
it. In that
case, there
would be no
reason to
worry. On the
other hand, it
could also be
that you, the
manager, are a
bit high at
the moment so
that you don't
fully
appreciate the
offer made to
you. How
serious is my
offer herewith
made to you
today?</span></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10555"><span
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10556"
style=""
lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10557"><span
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10558"
style=""
lang="EN-US">I
only say that
for eight
years' time
already, there
exists no
counter-proof
in the
literature to
my at first
highly
publicized
proof of
danger. I was
able to
demonstrate
that the
miniature
black holes
officially
attempted to
be produced at
CERN do
possess two
radically new
properties: <br
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<li
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style="font-family:Symbol;" lang="EN-US"><span class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11968"><span
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id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11970"
style=""
lang="EN-US">they
cannot Hawking
evaporate </span></li>
<li
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id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11921"><span
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style="font-family:Symbol;" lang="EN-US"><span class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12017"><span
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id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12018"
style="font:7.0pt;"></span></span></span><span class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12019"
style=""
lang="EN-US">they
grow
exponentially
inside matter</span><br
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<span
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style="font-family:Symbol;" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
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id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10568"
style=""
lang="EN-US"></span>
<div
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10569"><span
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id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10570"
style=""
lang="EN-US">If
these two
findings hold
water, the
current
attempt at
producing
ultra-slow
miniature
black holes on
earth near the
town of Geneva
means that the
slower-most
specimen will
get stuck
inside earth
and grow there
exponentially
to turn the
planet into a
2-cm black
hole after
several of
undetectable
growth.
Therefore the
current
attempt of
CERN's to
produce them
near Geneva is
a bit curious.
</span></div>
<div
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10571"><span
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10572"
style=""
lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10573"><span
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10574"
style=""
lang="EN-US">What
is so curious
about CERN's
attempt? It is
the fact that
no one finds
it curious. I
am reminded of
an old joke:
The professor
informs the
candidate
about the
outcome of the
oral exam with
the following
words “You are
bound to laugh
but you have
flunked the
test.” I never
understood the
punchline. I
likewise
cannot
understand why
a never
refuted proof
of the biggest
danger of
history leaves
everyone
unconcerned.
Why NOT check
an unattended
piece of
luggage on the
airport called
Earth? <span
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<div
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id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10576"><span
class="yiv2963316579"
id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10577"
style=""
lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div
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id="yiv2963316579m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10579"
style=""
lang="EN-US">To
my mind, this
is the most
curious story
ever -- for
the very
reason that
everyone finds
it boring. A
successful
counter-proof
would thus
alleviate but
a single
person’s fears
– mine. You,
my dear
reader, are
thus my last
hope that you
might be able
to explain the
punch line to
me: “Why is it
that it does
not matter
downstairs
that the first
floor is
ablaze?” I am
genuinely
curious to
learn why
attempting
planetocide is
fun. Are you
not?<br
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