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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am sorry but I am still not satisfied with the
evolution of this discussion to date. I am still looking forward to some
explicit comment on my initial question of why mini black holes would not
evaporate. I note that both Alex and Bruno asked the same question, before
we have seen Gyorgy's comment.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I can confirm from my own small experience as an
organic chemist that entities can be created in the laboratory that not only do
not exist in nature but could not be produced by 'Nature' on its own.
The reactants, reaction vessels, temperatures and pressures to produce
certain fluorochemicals and fluoropolymers could not be brought together in the
same place and time without human intervention.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In contrast, I see nothing in the discussion here
of mini black holes that, first, suggests they could be the consequence of
intentionally prepared states, with large energies 'brought together' in such a
way that, second, their development would not follow known paths.
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>I do not claim that I could follow the detailed
mathematical physics of the demonstration of the existence of a "5% probability"
that such states would not evaporate. But I and probably others of you much
better could still follow a scientific discourse on the basis of some background
and internal structure.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For example, the following statement from one of
Otto's notes seems to me to be a <EM>non sequitur:</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"If black holes are always uncharged, electrons
cannot be point-shaped as is usually assumed because they would then be black
holes and hence uncharged. They are bound to have a finite diameter large enough
to prevent them from becoming black holes and hence be uncharged."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is no longer valid to say that electrons are
dimensionless points; experiments now establish a radius of the order of 10 to
the -22 meters. If they are 'point-shaped' in the sense of
being effectively spherically symmetrical, their putative fate as black
holes seems irrelevant. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Would it still be possible to see some such new
statements regarding both formation and evolution of mini black holes? The
reference article (Szilamandee) simply repeats the statements we have seen,
albeit in an interesting poetic context.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thank you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joseph</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=oeross00@yahoo.com href="mailto:oeross00@yahoo.com">Otto E. Rossler</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=darvasg@iif.hu href="mailto:darvasg@iif.hu">Gyorgy
Darvas</A> ; <A title=fis@listas.unizar.es
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:49 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fis] A Curious Story</DIV></DIV>
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href="https://www.researchgate.net/search.Search.html?type=publication&query=szilamandee">https://www.researchgate.net/search.Search.html?type=publication&query=szilamandee</A></SPAN></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Otto E. Rossler <<A
href="mailto:oeross00@yahoo.com">oeross00@yahoo.com</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Gyorgy Darvas <<A
href="mailto:darvasg@iif.hu">darvasg@iif.hu</A>>; fis <<A
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</A>> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Louis H Kauffman <<A
href="mailto:loukau@gmail.com">loukau@gmail.com</A>>; Pedro C. Marijuan
<<A
href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, January 11, 2017 3:12
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Fis] A Curious
Story<BR></FONT></DIV>
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id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62059>I conform with Geörgyi's
tale.</SPAN></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Gyorgy Darvas
<darvasg@iif.hu><BR clear=none><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> fis <fis@listas.unizar.es> <BR
clear=none><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Otto E. Rossler
<oeross00@yahoo.com>; Louis H Kauffman <loukau@gmail.com>; Pedro C.
Marijuan <pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es><BR clear=none><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:09
PM<BR clear=none><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[Fis] A Curious Story<BR clear=none></DIV>
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<DIV id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62225><FONT size=-1><FONT
face=Arial>Dear All,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62125><FONT
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62128 size=-1><FONT
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62127 face=Arial>I follow O.
Rössler's concerns for a few years.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62132><FONT
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62131 size=-1><FONT
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62130 face=Arial>As a physicist
(who is probably not the best specialist in the black hole physics), I do not
want to involve in detailed physical explanations and mathematical proofs for
information specialists, not certainly specialised in physics. <BR
clear=none></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62136><FONT
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62135 size=-1><FONT
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62134 face=Arial>According to
me, there is a misunderstanding that makes the story
curious.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62145><FONT
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62144 size=-1><FONT
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62143 face=Arial>Stellar black
holes are a result of a gravitational collapse. That collapse takes place, when
the mass of the star exceeds a critical value; it is a result of the locally
high gravitational field. that gravitational field is stronger than the
electromagnetic field that (in a very simplified picture) keeps the
electrons revolve in a distance around the nucleus. <BR clear=none>In the course
of that gravitational collapse the electron shells of the atoms fall in the
nucleus. </FONT></FONT><FONT
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62227 size=-1><FONT
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62226 face=Arial><FONT
size=-1><FONT face=Arial> The properties of the black holes are defined for
them.</FONT></FONT> The star becomes very small in size, but has a strong
gravitational field, and behaves like described in the bh literature.<BR
clear=none>Cause: high gravity; effect: collapse, emergence of a bh.<BR
clear=none></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62139><FONT
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62138 size=-1><FONT
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62137 face=Arial>One can produce
single atom collapse in extreme laboratory circumstances. Why not? However, that
single (or few) atom collapse will not produce a gravitational field exceeding
the critical value; since its mass is much less than the critical. The reason is
that it was "created" not by a self-generated gravitational collapse. Therefore,
it will not "eat" matter in its environment. According to the lack of distance
between the nucleus and electron shell(s) around it, these "atoms" (sic!) are
called mini-black-holes. However, they do not behave like the stellar black
holes over the critical mass. <B>The name is only an analogy</B>, marked by the
prefix "mini-".<BR clear=none>Cause: not high gravity; effect: no critical mass,
no more attraction of other masses around it than before its collapse. <BR
clear=none></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62147><FONT size=-1><FONT
face=Arial>Regards,<BR clear=none>Gyuri<BR clear=none></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv2375030678moz-cite-prefix
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62170>On 2017.01.11. 11:33, Otto
E. Rossler wrote:<BR clear=none></DIV>
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<DIV id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258451><SPAN>I like this
response from Lou,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258564><SPAN>Otto</SPAN></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Louis H Kauffman <A
class=yiv2375030678moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:loukau@gmail.com"
target=_blank shape=rect rel=nofollow
ymailto="mailto:loukau@gmail.com"><loukau@gmail.com></A><BR
clear=none><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Pedro C. Marijuan
<A class=yiv2375030678moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62174
href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target=_blank shape=rect rel=nofollow
ymailto="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"><pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es></A>
<BR clear=none><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> fis <A
class=yiv2375030678moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"
target=_blank shape=rect rel=nofollow
ymailto="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"><fis@listas.unizar.es></A><BR
clear=none><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday,
January 10, 2017 6:09 PM<BR clear=none><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Fis] A Curious Story<BR
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<DIV id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258474>Dear Folks,
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258473>It is very important to
not be hasty and assume that the warning Professor Rossler made is to be taken
seriously.</DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258479>It is relatively easy
to check if a mathematical reasoning is true or false.</DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258478>It is much more
difficult to see if a piece of mathematics is correctly alligned to physical
prediction.</DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258477>Note also that a
reaction such as </DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258476>"THIS STORY IS A GOOD
REASON FOR SHUTTING DOWN CERN PERMANENTLY AND SAVING A LOT OF LARGELY WASTED
MONEY.”.</DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258480>Is not in the form of
scientific rational discussion, but rather in the form of taking a given
conclusion for granted</DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258481> and using it to
support another opinion that is just that - an opinion. </DIV>
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id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258569><BR class=yiv2375030678
clear=none></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258567>By concatenating such
behaviors we arrive at the present political state of the world.</DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258568><BR class=yiv2375030678
clear=none></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62184>This is why, in my
letter, I have asked for an honest discussion of the possible validity of
Professor Rossler’s arguments.</DIV>
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id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258483><BR class=yiv2375030678
clear=none></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258485>At this point I run out
of commentary room for this week and I shall read and look forward to making
further comments next week.</DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258561>Best,</DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258513>Lou Kauffman</DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258506>On Jan 9, 2017, at
7:17 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan <<A class=yiv2375030678
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href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target=_blank shape=rect
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ymailto="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</A>>
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<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258505>From Alex Hankey</DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678>-------- Mensaje reenviado --------</DIV>
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Curious Story</TD></TR>
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<TH class=yiv2375030678 vAlign=baseline noWrap align=right>Fecha: </TH>
<TD class=yiv2375030678
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19:55:55 +0530</TD></TR>
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<TH class=yiv2375030678 vAlign=baseline noWrap align=right>De: </TH>
<TD class=yiv2375030678>Alex Hankey <A
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href="mailto:alexhankey@gmail.com" target=_blank shape=rect rel=nofollow
ymailto="mailto:alexhankey@gmail.com"><alexhankey@gmail.com></A></TD></TR>
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<TD class=yiv2375030678>PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ <A
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<DIV class=yiv2375030678 dir=ltr>THIS STORY IS A GOOD REASON FOR SHUTTING DOWN
CERN PERMANENTLY AND SAVING A LOT OF LARGELY WASTED MONEY.</DIV>
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inaugurating our 2017 sessions.</DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678>I really hope that this Curious Story is just that,
a curiosity.</DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678>But in science we should not look for hopes but for
arguments and counter-arguments...</DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv2375030678
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<DIV class=yiv2375030678
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class=yiv2375030678>De:</B> Otto E. Rossler [<A class=yiv2375030678
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style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt">A Curious Story</SPAN></B></DIV>
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id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550>Otto
E. Rossler, University of Tübingen, Germany<BR class=yiv2375030678
clear=none></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
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<DIV class=yiv2375030678
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id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550>Maybe
I am the only one who finds it curious. Which fact would then make it even
more curious for me. It goes like this: Someone says “I can save your house
from a time bomb planted into the basement” and you respond by saying “I
don’t care.” This curious story is taken from the Buddhist bible.
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10551><SPAN
class=yiv2375030678 lang=EN-US
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10552></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10553
dir=ltr><SPAN class=yiv2375030678 lang=EN-US
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10554>It
of course depends on who is offering to help. It could be a lunatic person
claiming that he alone can save the planet from a time-bomb about to be
planted into it. In that case, there would be no reason to worry. On the
other hand, it could also be that you, the manager, are a bit high at the
moment so that you don't fully appreciate the offer made to you. How serious
is my offer herewith made to you today?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10555><SPAN
class=yiv2375030678 lang=EN-US
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10556></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10557><SPAN
class=yiv2375030678 lang=EN-US
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10558>I
only say that for eight years' time already, there exists no counter-proof
in the literature to my at first highly publicized proof of danger. I was
able to demonstrate that the miniature black holes officially attempted to
be produced at CERN do possess two radically new properties: <BR
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<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11913><BR
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dir=ltr>
<LI class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11920><SPAN
class=yiv2375030678 lang=EN-US
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol"><SPAN class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11968><SPAN
class=yiv2375030678
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 7pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
class=yiv2375030678 lang=EN-US
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11970>they
cannot Hawking evaporate </SPAN>
<LI class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11921><SPAN
class=yiv2375030678 lang=EN-US
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12016
style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol"><SPAN class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12017><SPAN
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 7pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
class=yiv2375030678 lang=EN-US
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12019>they
grow exponentially inside matter</SPAN><BR class=yiv2375030678
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clear=none></LI></UL><SPAN class=yiv2375030678 lang=EN-US
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10565
style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol"> </SPAN><SPAN class=yiv2375030678
lang=EN-US
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<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10569><SPAN
class=yiv2375030678 lang=EN-US
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10570>If
these two findings hold water, the current attempt at producing ultra-slow
miniature black holes on earth near the town of Geneva means that the
slower-most specimen will get stuck inside earth and grow there
exponentially to turn the planet into a 2-cm black hole after several of
undetectable growth. Therefore the current attempt of CERN's to produce them
near Geneva is a bit curious. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10571><SPAN
class=yiv2375030678 lang=EN-US
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10572></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10573><SPAN
class=yiv2375030678 lang=EN-US
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10574>What
is so curious about CERN's attempt? It is the fact that no one finds it
curious. I am reminded of an old joke: The professor informs the candidate
about the outcome of the oral exam with the following words “You are bound
to laugh but you have flunked the test.” I never understood the punchline. I
likewise cannot understand why a never refuted proof of the biggest danger
of history leaves everyone unconcerned. Why NOT check an unattended piece of
luggage on the airport called Earth? <SPAN class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10575> </SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv2375030678
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class=yiv2375030678 lang=EN-US
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<DIV class=yiv2375030678
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10578><SPAN
class=yiv2375030678 lang=EN-US
id=yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10579>To
my mind, this is the most curious story ever -- for the very reason that
everyone finds it boring. A successful counter-proof would thus alleviate
but a single person’s fears – mine. You, my dear reader, are thus my last
hope that you might be able to explain the punch line to me: “Why is it that
it does not matter downstairs that the first floor is ablaze?” I am
genuinely curious to learn why attempting planetocide is fun. Are you
not?<BR class=yiv2375030678 clear=none></SPAN></DIV>
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